Fired for working in the adult film industry in the past

[BlueStarLizzard]

Well, in college many years/pounds ago I managed to think through an offer to work as an escort for older professional ladies desiring public male companionship.  I figured it might not look too good on a resume or a background check, even if I didn't get to know them in a Bibilcal fashion.  I managed to do this as a functional agnostic.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you ought to.  Also, "easy money" might have strings attached or leave an unpleasant residue on your fingers.  Money earned the hard way may leave you stinky & sweaty, but that washes off in the shower purty quick.

Having sex is dishonest?

Preforming a particular act or using a particular skill for money is dishonest?

It's not that I disagree that life choices have effect (including where you work and who you work for)
I'm saying why the hell we, as a culture, get so caught up over any of them that have to do with sex?

[Perd Hapley]

Values like what exactly?

Forgiveness for past sins?

Oh, wait, not that one. That doesn't work if you've had sex outside of marriage, right?

I think you're smarter than that. I think you know that forgiveness doesn't mean consequences magically disappear. But then, you should also be able to figure out that this really isn't about the teacher being punished for some moral failing. Of course, this was already explained, earlier in the thread. 

I guess God forgot to tell that one to Jesus, because he sure wouldn't have been friends with that Magdiline chick.

Nothing in the Bible about her being sexually immoral, though that is a common misconception.

[Monkeyleg]

People who only go to church for Easter are just thrilled that their kids' teacher used to pleasure dudes for money.

Would they be okay if the teacher had just given it away for free? Plenty of those out there.

[BlueStarLizzard]

I think you're smarter than that. I think you know that forgiveness doesn't mean consequences magically disappear. But then, you should also be able to figure out that this really isn't about the teacher being punished for some moral failing. Of course, this was already explained, earlier in the thread. 


Nothing in the Bible about her being sexually immoral, though that is a common misconception.

No, she was fired because a bunch of busy bodies had to go look up the skeltons in her closet, drag them around and make a big stink over nothing.

She had sex, in front of a camera for money. The only people that matters to is her, her employer and the dudes jerking off to it.
Why anyone else feels the need to make a stink about it is beyond me.

Oh, right the "distraction" issue.   of course nobody thought maybe the problem was more responcibly solved by telling the kids to STFU and do their schoolwork? That maybe in doing so the kids could have learned a couple valuable life lessons like "it's none of your business." and "What someone else does/did is not an excuse to slack off or be obnoxious" and maybe even "in the real world you have to deal with people you don't like or don't agree with so suck it up and get used to it."

[BlueStarLizzard]

Would they be okay if the teacher had just given it away for free? Plenty of those out there.

 
I wouldn't know a thing about that, and I've never seen a HS spanish teacher nekkid. I swear.

[De Selby]

indeed, liz.

Cause only people who read the Bible for a living would be bothered by her past life. People who only go to church for Easter are just thrilled that their kids' teacher used to pleasure dudes for money.


If she's a libertarian, she understands that other people disapproving of her choices is not the biggest deal on the planet, and not really something she has any grounds to complain about.

Predictable and legal, yep.   Sensible, no.  There's plenty of grounds to complain about boneheaded moral hyperventilation, even if it's (gasp!) foreseeable and permitted by law.

I'd rather have an ex prostitute teaching american kids addition amd economics than many of the lilly-historied but math illiterate teachers out there.  At least they've proven functional knowledge of the concepts.

[SteveS]

Predictable and legal, yep.   Sensible, no.  There's plenty of grounds to complain about boneheaded moral hyperventilation, even if it's (gasp!) foreseeable and permitted by law.

I'd rather have an ex prostitute teaching american kids addition amd economics than many of the lilly-historied but math illiterate teachers out there.  At least they've proven functional knowledge of the concepts.

It probably wouldn't bother me, either, but people don't have the right to a job.  If you don't want to deal with the hang-ups of people, then go into business for yourself or choose your employers very carefully.  Many teaching contracts have 'morality clauses', so it is obvious that this profession frowns on this. 

I'd love to believe that in the "real world" employers don't care about what you do in your off-time, but this is not the case.  People get fired for all sorts of activity outside of work, such as Facebook posts and similar things.  Most employers also look at these kinds of things before they hire people.  I think a better lesson for kids is that what they do has consequences and that employers aren't under any obligation to ignore certain things.  If anything, I think kids are posting way too much stuff for the world to see.

[Perd Hapley]

"in the real world you have to deal with people you don't like or don't agree with so suck it up and get used to it."

That cuts both ways.

[Ron]

Stupid hurts.

Stupid still hurts even when others misinform you that you aren't being stupid.

If you aspire to be entrusted in loco parentis maybe you should think through the consequences of the decisions you are making. Especially considering your career path is teaching children how to learn and think properly.

Personally I give her the benefit of the doubt and it is too bad her past has come back to haunt her. I've done worse in my life than make dirty movies.

I also give the parents and school board the benefit of the doubt that they have the best interests in mind of their children and the children they have been entrusted with teaching.

Just because it is about sex and personal licentiousness the libertarians want to give her a pass; ignoring the incredible lack of wisdom, fore site and discretion she has shown in her past.  

[Balog]

Stupid hurts.

Stupid still hurts even when others misinform you that you aren't being stupid.

If you aspire to be entrusted in loco parentis maybe you should think through the consequences of the decisions you are making. Especially considering your career path is teaching children how to learn and think properly.

Personally I give her the benefit of the doubt and it is too bad her past has come back to haunt her. I've done worse in my life than make dirty movies.

I also give the parents and school board the benefit of the doubt that they have the best interests in mind of their children and the children they have been entrusted with teaching.

Just because it is about sex and personal licentiousness the libertarians want to give her a pass; ignoring the incredible lack of wisdom, fore site and discretion she has shown in her past.   

Pretty much this.

[Perd Hapley]

Stupid still hurts even when others misinform you that you aren't being stupid.

I give her the benefit of the doubt and it is too bad her past has come back to haunt her.

I also give the parents and school board the benefit of the doubt that they have the best interests in mind of their children and the children they have been entrusted with teaching.

Just because it is about sex and personal licentiousness the libertarians want to give her a pass; ignoring the incredible lack of wisdom, fore site and discretion she has shown in her past.  

Well said.

[BlueStarLizzard]

Stupid hurts.

Stupid still hurts even when others misinform you that you aren't being stupid.

If you aspire to be entrusted in loco parentis maybe you should think through the consequences of the decisions you are making. Especially considering your career path is teaching children how to learn and think properly.

Personally I give her the benefit of the doubt and it is too bad her past has come back to haunt her. I've done worse in my life than make dirty movies.

I also give the parents and school board the benefit of the doubt that they have the best interests in mind of their children and the children they have been entrusted with teaching.

Just because it is about sex and personal licentiousness the libertarians want to give her a pass; ignoring the incredible lack of wisdom, fore site and discretion she has shown in her past.  

Again, what the hell is so darn stupid about making porn?
Is it that she got paid? Is it she had sex? Is it that she was filmed?
If she was a none porn actress would this still be an issue? Or is it only an issue as long as she never nuded up for a scene? Or maybe it's based on ratings? A little backside is ok, but full frontal, no teaching for you!?

You guys are as bad as liberals. I'd be a hell of a lot more respect if you just say "i think sex is dirty and porn is gross and anyone who gets paid to have sex or stars in a porn movie I don't want around."

[zxcvbob]

Again, what the hell is so darn stupid about making porn?
Is it that she got paid? Is it she had sex? Is it that she was filmed?
If she was a none porn actress would this still be an issue? Or is it only an issue as long as she never nuded up for a scene? Or maybe it's based on ratings? A little backside is ok, but full frontal, no teaching for you!?

You guys are as bad as liberals. I'd be a hell of a lot more respect if you just say "i think sex is dirty and porn is gross and anyone who gets paid to have sex or stars in a porn movie I don't want around."

It's not stupid so much as just icky.  It's also none of my business.

The school administrators created the alleged distraction, not her, then they fired her for their bad behavior.  The wrong person was fired IMHO.  I haven't seen any evidence that her past sins had any affect on her ability to teach, they just wanted to get their Self Righteous on.  

If they found out she was currently filming pornos on the weekend, I might support their decision, I don't know (that's a tough one.)

[Ron]

What is stupid about working in porn?

Off the top of my head I'd say it could impact your ability to earn a living in different field sometime down the road.

Let me use the Google and see if I can find any object lessons showing this reality for you...Oh, wait...

[Tallpine]

Again, what the hell is so darn stupid about making porn?
Is it that she got paid? Is it she had sex? Is it that she was filmed?
If she was a none porn actress would this still be an issue? Or is it only an issue as long as she never nuded up for a scene? Or maybe it's based on ratings? A little backside is ok, but full frontal, no teaching for you!?

You guys are as bad as liberals. I'd be a hell of a lot more respect if you just say "i think sex is dirty and porn is gross and anyone who gets paid to have sex or stars in a porn movie I don't want around."

One of the advantages of not having a puritanical attitude about sex is that you don't have to feel guilty afterward.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

One of the advantages of not having a puritanical attitude about sex is that you don't have to feel guilty afterward.

 

That's okay.  There are plenty of people willing to feel guilty on your behalf.

[BlueStarLizzard]

What is stupid about working in porn?

Off the top of my head I'd say it could impact your ability to earn a living in different field sometime down the road.

Let me use the Google and see if I can find any object lessons showing this reality for you...Oh, wait...

Which leads again, to the million doller question, the one those of you who agree that she should have gotten fired have still failed to answer.

Why SHOULD IT? Why should this impact someones future career in another feild?
I'm am not saying it doesn't. I am not saying that in our current society such won't affect you.

I'm asking for a good reason why it should stay that way.

Otherwise, I'm sticking with she shouldn't have been fired and everyone involved should have gotten the hell over it, because this victorian esque culture of prudishness needs to keel over and just die already.

[zxcvbob]

http://youtu.be/DvdJMkZeV1c   

[erictank]

I agree, too. She should have thought twice about doing something that dumb before she put her future at risk.


 

 

Agreed with De Selby and Birdman, among others. Sanctimonious busybodies who can't be bothered to determine whether she's actually a competent TEACHER as the determining factor in whether she should keep her job - HUGE thumbs-down.

You don't get it - she's supposed to take account of everyone else's hang-ups about sex. 

How dare she not plan her life as if other people's religious views would someday determine her paycheck!

I wanted to put one of the laughing emoticons in response - but that's not really a joke in this case, is it? 

It probably wouldn't bother me, either, but people don't have the right to a job.  If you don't want to deal with the hang-ups of people, then go into business for yourself or choose your employers very carefully.  Many teaching contracts have 'morality clauses', so it is obvious that this profession frowns on this. 

As was (IIRC) mentioned previously in this thread, HER contract apparently had no such clause - thus any mention of such is, at best, irrelevant.


Despite all the arguments forwarded here about how she shouldn't be teaching - what's really the problem here? Has anyone bothered to show that she lacked competence or capability as a (IIRC) science teacher? To the best of my knowledge, no - it does appear that the administration caught wind that she'd done porn before coming to work for them, checked her out online, and decided "Oh teh NOES, she had SEX FOR MONIES!!!" and fired her despite her contract not having a "morality" clause.  Oh, and to make sure that any distraction had the maximum possible effect, they ensured that everyone in the freaking COUNTY was informed of her (irrelevant) past. Yeah, still coming back to  . This was really frakking stupid, and I hope she pursues an appeal.

[Perd Hapley]

The school administrators created the alleged distraction, not her, then they fired her for their bad behavior.

Sanctimonious busybodies who can't be bothered to determine whether she's actually a competent TEACHER as the determining factor in whether she should keep her job - HUGE thumbs-down.

Has anyone bothered to show that she lacked competence or capability as a (IIRC) science teacher? To the best of my knowledge, no - it does appear that the administration caught wind that she'd done porn before coming to work for them, checked her out online, and decided "Oh teh NOES, she had SEX FOR MONIES!!!" and fired her despite her contract not having a "morality" clause.  Oh, and to make sure that any distraction had the maximum possible effect, they ensured that everyone in the freaking COUNTY was informed of her (irrelevant) past.

This has been debunked, previously. It's an appealing version of events for some, but doesn't seem to line up with the facts that have been reported. Primarily, the fact that students brought it up to the teachers/admins. Also, the fact that her competence and effectiveness as a teacher is affected by what her students think of her.

[Fjolnirsson]

I find it amusing that a legal action taken at a younger age is condemned, and she should have known better, yet illegal actions performed by two presidents in their youth are accepted as commonplace and acceptable. Not necessarily by those on this forum, but by society as a whole...

[roo_ster]

Which leads again, to the million doller question, the one those of you who agree that she should have gotten fired have still failed to answer.

Why SHOULD IT? Why should this impact someones future career in another feild?
I'm am not saying it doesn't. I am not saying that in our current society such won't affect you.

I'm asking for a good reason why it should stay that way.

Otherwise, I'm sticking with she shouldn't have been fired and everyone involved should have gotten the hell over it, because this victorian esque culture of prudishness needs to keel over and just die already.

Why?

Because it shows she is a nitwit with awful judgment.  She did not have to be a puritan to see the likely difficulties in the future, she just needed an IQ above room temp.

Funny thing, "this victorian esque culture of prudishness" is one of the best indicators of success in America.  Even for left-liberals on the coasts.  They make make noise about tahl-erance and acceptance, but that is for show.  Look at the way they act and live their lives.   They exhibit discipline and self-control, (to include not flashing their posterior on video for the edification of posterity).  They live where others act similarly.  OTOH, lack of self discipline, impulse control, and planning for the future is a good way to end up trash: white, black, or brown trash. 

Trash is as trash does.  And in this instance, the trash got kicked to the curb.  Maybe she'll learn something.  Better yet, maybe other folks will learn something from her example.

[Jamisjockey]

That's awful Christian of you.
Whatever happened to forgiveness?  Jesus made friends with a prostitute for crying outloud.








The real issue here is at will employment.  Either you believe in the libertarian value of it or not.  I for one, do.  You do not have the right to a job.  Is this a BS reason to fire her?  I think so.  But the Roosters of the world will never let you forget your past if they don't agree with it.

Edit:  looks like I found a hole in the language filter

[Ron]

Fourth, why is this an indictment on public schools?  I know that this board is anti-big govermnet, and pretty much anti-public schools, but I don't see how this situation is in any way indicative of a problem with public education, and believe me, there are plenty of problems there...

This is an indictment of public schools because the public no longer shares a common system of ethics or even cultural norms in many cases.

Trying to make a government run system of education is guaranteed to alienate large swaths of folks who don't share whatever the governments prevailing world view/ethical system is that is being taught.

Government should have minimum standards regarding reading, writing, arithmetic and history that market driven schools must meet. Free education from the shackles of government slavery.

Get government out of the education propaganda business  

[Fitz]

Too many folks:


*on guns*  Guns are my right! If i'm not hurting anyone, what guns I own and the manner in which i carry them is none of anyone's business!

*on sex* OMG That person did something with their body that is not in my approved list of body-thingies. I absolutely support discriminating against that person as a result.


Saw this in a thread on strippers a while back. Got real irritated with the implications of that thread, considering my wife was once a stripper.