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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #100 on: October 14, 2012, 03:43:15 PM »
Looked like he tumbled a lot during the (presumbly) supersonic portion of the fall.  Be interesting to read the final mission report.
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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #101 on: October 14, 2012, 04:49:45 PM »
Mach chart:

www.hill.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-070514-038.doc

659mph at FL 60.0

Glad he depressurized slowly, and with a full space suit keeping his fluids liquid. 

My RD accident in a B-52H at FL50.0 was no fun at all. 

I got the bends in my hands, of all places, and wound up in the Beale AFB altitude chamber for a fun-filled evening.  (I'm claustrophobic as hell, myself)

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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #102 on: October 14, 2012, 06:34:43 PM »
Link?

Watched it live, but there is probably a photo/video out there.

I don't know if he tumbled, but he was certainly spinning pretty damn fast.  He said he almost passed out.
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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #103 on: October 14, 2012, 06:41:33 PM »
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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #104 on: October 14, 2012, 06:44:14 PM »
Here:

YouTube for the win.  Watch the whole thing, but at 5:10 is what I have in mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqP8q5I1AHQ
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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #105 on: October 14, 2012, 06:49:29 PM »
OK, yeah, that is mind-blowing.

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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #106 on: October 14, 2012, 07:01:49 PM »


My RD accident in a B-52H at FL50.0 was no fun at all. 

I got the bends in my hands, of all places, and wound up in the Beale AFB altitude chamber for a fun-filled evening.  (I'm claustrophobic as hell, myself)



Ugh, glad you're still with us. Sounds like a one wrong step in the checklist and you die emergency.
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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #107 on: October 14, 2012, 07:12:01 PM »
Yeah,  I kinda  held my breath during the IR feed of him tumbling or spinning.

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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #108 on: October 14, 2012, 10:56:42 PM »
Here:

YouTube for the win.  Watch the whole thing, but at 5:10 is what I have in mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqP8q5I1AHQ

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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #109 on: October 14, 2012, 11:13:40 PM »
Dear God!

I have severe acrophobia. At the moment he stepped off the capsule, I had to lean back in my chair and hold on with both hands, and even at that I was almost vomiting. I suspect my blood pressure is through the roof just from watching that.

I don't do well with heights either, but once past a certain point, say 100' or so it doesn't bother me so much anymore.
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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #110 on: October 15, 2012, 10:24:10 AM »
I don't do well with heights either, but once past a certain point, say 100' or so it doesn't bother me so much anymore.
I have a similar problem. Aircraft/rollercoasters etc. don't bother me. Steep stairwells (particularly with steps I can see through), working on roofs, some escalators...bit of anxiety there. I think it's the perspective that gets me.

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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #111 on: October 15, 2012, 09:36:05 PM »
I remember playing a Trivial Pursuit game a few years ago and got a question about the fastest non-motorized sport.  The answer was skydiving.

Well, skydiving is now the fastest sport.  Period.

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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #112 on: October 15, 2012, 10:59:00 PM »
So the talking heads today said he topped 830MPH on the way down, Mach 1.25. Zoom-zoom!

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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #113 on: October 15, 2012, 11:14:12 PM »
Sad but true...
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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #114 on: October 15, 2012, 11:26:21 PM »
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the balloon. 55 stories? As in 550 feet high?  :O
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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #115 on: October 15, 2012, 11:38:39 PM »
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the balloon. 55 stories? As in 550 feet high?  :O

Yep, they's bigguns.

Mostly empty down at ground level to allow expansion and still have buoyancy at that extreme altitude.
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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #116 on: October 16, 2012, 09:57:41 AM »
So how come you can't just use a balloon to get a capsule up that high, and then fire off a rocket and go into orbit  ???
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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #117 on: October 16, 2012, 10:54:18 AM »
So how come you can't just use a balloon to get a capsule up that high, and then fire off a rocket and go into orbit  ???

been discussed    takes a lot of balloon{s} to get a rocket up  its heavy
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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #118 on: October 16, 2012, 01:00:41 PM »
been discussed    takes a lot of balloon{s} to get a rocket up  its heavy

It also takes a lot of heavy rocket fuel to get a heavy rocket up that high.

And then you need more heavy rocket fuel to get all that heavy rocket fuel off the ground.
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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #119 on: October 16, 2012, 01:02:59 PM »
true i remember reading about plans for balloons.  back when we were both young >:D 
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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #120 on: October 16, 2012, 01:03:17 PM »
An old idea that could perhaps get revamped a bit?

http://youtu.be/96A0wb1Ov9k

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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #121 on: October 16, 2012, 01:09:29 PM »
It also takes a lot of heavy rocket fuel to get a heavy rocket up that high.

And then you need more heavy rocket fuel to get all that heavy rocket fuel off the ground.

It's been done, and is a relatively routine method to get really high results out of test/sounding rockets. However, something more substantial like satellite launch etc. where you've got a precise launch window to hit, it has some disadvantages.

The downward momentum when the rocket is released that needs to be overcome robs you of some of the 20-odd miles up and atmospheric friction you've "saved" on, as does the weight of an aggressively gimballing engine, and flight control system that can quickly orient the rocket to it's proper trajectory once dropped, or recover well if it doesn't maintain a suitable attitude when it's released.

Although maybe being able to get the "rockoon" released right at the equator, maybe with some prevailing easterly winds would give you even more savings.

The main disadvantage of course is if the rocket doesn't light. On a traditional launch pad, there's good odds you can fix things and try again. With a rockoon, not so much.  =D

An old idea that could perhaps get revamped a bit?

http://youtu.be/96A0wb1Ov9k

Hmm... Any of the stuff we wound up giving up on because it was "too destabilizing" for MAD with Russia, and first-strike capabilities is probably what we should have been doing. USSR might have bankrupted itself 10 years earlier.  =D

Although not that different in concept than the under-wing Pegasus boosters used from B-52's for satellite launches.
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Re: Felix Baumgartner skydiving through sound barrier.
« Reply #122 on: October 16, 2012, 01:14:42 PM »
One of the candidates for the Ansari X prize tried the baloon/rocket trick.

Got beat by Rutan's Spaceship-1 design.

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