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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #175 on: March 17, 2014, 05:25:54 AM »
I really hope he isn't that narcissistic and stupid.
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #176 on: March 17, 2014, 08:11:12 AM »
I really hope he isn't that narcissistic and stupid.

That may be a forlorn hope.  We shall see.
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #177 on: March 17, 2014, 10:08:55 AM »
My biggest worry now is that Obama will realize how mom jeans he looks and try to do something to show how tough he is.

There was a time I would have said you were either kidding or had your tinfoil too tight. These days I just don't know.

I thought that was the stupidest picture possible when it came out. I think his 5th Avenue PR team came up with it to make him look like a tough guy (and rolling your sleeves up to show your skinny arms doesn't help with the "tough" image BTW), and maybe to his Milquetoast constituency he does. To the rest of the world it looks like he got interrupted on his way to an Environmental Defense Fund wine and cheese mixer. Some presidents can get away with the "tough guy" image and still be taken seriously. Others need to put on a damn suit.

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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #178 on: March 17, 2014, 12:48:50 PM »
As I understand it the Crimean referendum choices were join Russia or declare independence then most likely join Russia anyway. Doesn't sound too legit.
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #179 on: March 17, 2014, 02:57:58 PM »
As I understand it the Crimean referendum choices were join Russia or declare independence then most likely join Russia anyway. Doesn't sound too legit.

And this differs from American elections how  ???



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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #180 on: March 17, 2014, 03:09:33 PM »
And this differs from American elections how  ???



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No .mil troops or APCs in the streets.

Yet. =|
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #181 on: March 17, 2014, 03:49:05 PM »
No .mil troops or APCs in the streets.

Yet. =|

Skip the first thirty seconds.  Ignore that she's an annoying thing.  Real meat is about 45 seconds in.
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How long till the police are monitoring the elections in these?
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #182 on: March 17, 2014, 03:55:06 PM »
I don't get it...the Nazis and the Commies went toe to toe again, and still no meteor strike.  Somebody needs to pray harder.

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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #183 on: March 17, 2014, 11:08:51 PM »
Skip the first thirty seconds.  Ignore that she's an annoying thing.  Real meat is about 45 seconds in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzIyPilPsCc

How long till the police are monitoring the elections in these?


So she's detailing every small town that gots an MRAP?

Is this the one that quit RT about a week ago?


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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #184 on: March 18, 2014, 03:31:34 AM »
Any bets on how long before Ukrain does "something" to threaten either Crimean or Russian security and forces Russia to take preemptive action and occupy Kiev?

the pessimist in me says inside 90 days.
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #185 on: March 20, 2014, 03:10:58 AM »
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #186 on: March 20, 2014, 11:40:36 PM »
Still wondering what effect this will have on our astronauts going to the ISS Russian space station.
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #187 on: March 21, 2014, 06:35:24 AM »
Still wondering what effect this will have on our astronauts going to the ISS Russian space station.

Probably, but we have alternatives: http://www.spacex.com/news/2014/03/11/upcoming-mission-falcon-9-and-dragon-launching-space-station
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #188 on: March 21, 2014, 04:27:50 PM »
Probably, but we have alternatives: http://www.spacex.com/news/2014/03/11/upcoming-mission-falcon-9-and-dragon-launching-space-station

Tie a really long, heat resistant rope on that thing, and then have our astronauts start practicing with ascender-equipped space suits.

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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #189 on: March 21, 2014, 06:14:53 PM »
I'm thinking this could have gone much more smoothly for old Vladimir, if he had taken the opposite tack on the whole rights-for-homos thing, back a couple of months ago. He'd be a hero, and have Obama's support in whatever he did.
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #190 on: March 21, 2014, 06:17:23 PM »
I'm thinking this could have gone much more smoothly for old Vladimir, if he had taken the opposite tack on the whole rights-for-homos thing, back a couple of months ago. He'd be a hero, and have Obama's support in whatever he did.

I think he strengthens his position both internally and externally by giving Obama the diplomatic version of a swirlie.
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #191 on: March 21, 2014, 06:31:27 PM »
I think he strengthens his position both internally and externally by giving Obama the diplomatic version of a swirlie.


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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #192 on: March 21, 2014, 11:57:11 PM »
I think he strengthens his position both internally and externally by giving Obama the diplomatic version of a swirlie.
That's not just a regular swirlie that Vlad's handing out, it's a chocolate swirlie.
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #193 on: March 22, 2014, 12:01:51 AM »
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #194 on: March 22, 2014, 07:49:11 AM »
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Re: Re: Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #195 on: March 23, 2014, 10:50:51 PM »
Russian diplomat stabbed by Ukranian-Canadian soldier.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Soldier+family+stunned+charge+stabbing+Russian+diplomat/9623277/story.html

Was the diplomat's first name Franz?

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« Reply #196 on: March 23, 2014, 11:22:43 PM »
Was the diplomat's first name Franz?

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« Reply #197 on: March 24, 2014, 11:33:08 AM »
I vote we stay out of the next WW.  WWI and WWII didn't do us much good.

WWI, probably not. WWII, yea.

Japan attacked us, and would have continued its expansionist policies to threaten our direct interests.
Letting Germany or the Soviet Union enslave all of Europe would NOT have been good for our national security, economic concerns and other interests.

It also gave us a jump start on military technology that was crucial during the Cold War. Would you really have wanted us facing the Soviets with a tech deficiency of a decade plus?
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« Reply #198 on: March 24, 2014, 12:56:51 PM »
WWI, probably not. WWII, yea.

Japan attacked us, and would have continued its expansionist policies to threaten our direct interests.
Letting Germany or the Soviet Union enslave all of Europe would NOT have been good for our national security, economic concerns and other interests.

It also gave us a jump start on military technology that was crucial during the Cold War. Would you really have wanted us facing the Soviets with a tech deficiency of a decade plus?

Were we not involved in WWII, the USSR would not have been a threat afterwards.  It may not even have existed.  Germany would have gobbled up the useful bits of the western USSR up to the Urals and set up satrapies.  The eastern USSR had relatively little industry with which they could have threatened anyone not a Siberian subsistence hunter.  Post-war for the USSR, had it survived, would have had a peril-filled existence what with China getting unified under Mao in 1949.

USSR was well and truly @$%^ed without both our "Lend-Lease" hardware (to include beau coup trucks to bring in the harvests and imperial buttloads of war materiel) and -eventually- another front to relieve the German pressure on them.

So, you would have had a German-controlled Europe from the English channel to the Urals...for a while.  Until the locals figured out there was no way in Hades Germany could control such a mass of humans with its population.  To keep control, Germany would have to have a great deal of cooperation from the locals.  And were such cooperation forthcoming, how illegitimate would the satrapies then be?  Any less than the USSR's?  How about relative to the EU?  Would a "premature EUSSR" have less legitimacy than the current undemocratic EU?

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Yep, Japan attacked, so that was their *expletive deleted*ss.  No stopping the American public from grinding them into paste after that, even if our leaders wanted to ignore Japan and focus on saving western europe the USSR from the Hun.  And I doubt that if Germany had refrained from declaring war on the USA we could have prevented our leaders from declaring war on Germany. 

At the end of WWII we still had most of Europe in chains and the largest malefactor got rewarded for their savagery.  Also, though the USA ended up a superpower, so did the USSR.  And then we had Mao and N Korea and N Vietnam, too.  The latter two would not have existed without a post WWII USSR superpower.

So, yeah, WWII did not do us much good for what we expended on it.
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Re: Trouble in Ukraine
« Reply #199 on: March 26, 2014, 09:53:18 AM »

Russia is stealing Chernomornaftogaz. Er, I mean, Crimea is nationalizing Chernomornaftogaz and giving it to Gazprom in a gesture of solidarity. And Russia is jacking up the price of gas to make Ukraine pay for its own invasion.

http://www.lufkin.ru/en/news/ukraine-loses-gas-discount-%E2%80%93-putin%E2%80%99s-spokesman
http://www.lufkin.ru/en/news/ukraine-pay-agreed-price-russian-gas-minister
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