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Guns For Illegals?
ConstitutionCowboy:
The Founding Fathers didn't write the Constitution for everyone on Earth. Our Constitution does not, for instance, apply to France or the people in it. It doesn't apply to Russia or Russians.
While the inalienable rights are universal, the Constitution only protects those for us. It doesn't protect the rights for Mexicans, Chinese, Pols or Canadians, etc. As stated, they must be here legally. As it stands, we can block their entry unless in accordance and in compliance with the law. We can limit the number of legal entries as well - all the way to zero when it is our wish. If a person doesn't agree with this, they can work to gain enough support to amend the Constitution.
Just being here doesn't afford a person the benefit of the Constitution. If it were so, any and all our immigration laws and regulations would be null and void. Borders would be unnecessary.
What is the difference between armed illegal aliens and an armed invasion force?
No elected position of power in Congress or the Executive is available to non-citizens. Is that not fair? Does it infringe on the supposed rights of illegal aliens?
We owe nothing to illegals. If they like what they see here, they need to fight off the oppression and inequality where they come from and then emulate what makes this country so great.
Woody
cordex:
--- Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on March 25, 2024, 03:52:22 PM ---Just being here doesn't afford a person the benefit of the Constitution. If it were so, any and all our immigration laws and regulations would be null and void. Borders would be unnecessary.
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Do you contend that nothing in the bill of rights applies to non-citizens?
--- Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on March 25, 2024, 03:52:22 PM ---What is the difference between armed illegal aliens and an armed invasion force?
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You're not serious, are you? These two things are not the same at all.
--- Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on March 25, 2024, 03:52:22 PM ---No elected position of power in Congress or the Executive is available to non-citizens. Is that not fair? Does it infringe on the supposed rights of illegal aliens?
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Well, if the Constitution doesn't apply to them, and the Constitution says they can't serve, then maybe they're eligible? =D
dogmush:
--- Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on March 25, 2024, 03:52:22 PM ---
Just being here doesn't afford a person the benefit of the Constitution. If it were so, any and all our immigration laws and regulations would be null and void. Borders would be unnecessary.
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You're absolutely incorrect on that. The US government is prohibited from violating the rights of anyone it has jurisdiction over. Certainly, anyone in the territory of the US. There is no reason that the US can't make immigration laws and control the flow of people across its borders while also not violating the enumerated rights of anyone inside those borders. You're way off base here Woody.
Hawkmoon:
--- Quote from: ConstitutionCowboy on March 25, 2024, 11:03:39 AM ---Judge Says Illegals Can Own and Carry Guns Under the Second Amendment
Here is why they can't:
"We the People of the United States" in the Preamble to the Constitution does not say the people "in" the United States. One must be a citizen - a person of the United States - to have these rights and privileges secured and to take part in our governance.
The Preamble goes on to state the purpose of the Constitution is to "... establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity ...", with no mention of non-citizens, foreign governments, or any others whatsoever. "To ourselves" is quite obviously succinct. ANYTHING beyond "to ourselves" is unconstitutional.
We fought for and won the protection of our God given rights and blessings delineated in the Constitution - for ourselves. While all people have inalienable God given rights, those people need to fight for and secure those rights for themselves in their own country. Beyond that, they can enjoy our protections here in the United States only if and when they apply for admission and citizenship and are allowed as provided for in our Constitution.
The Preamble says it all. It is the reason for the rest of the Constitution to exist.
Woody
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If the above is correct, then why are legal aliens (green card holders) allowed to possess firearms?
I agree with MechAg94 -- illegals are illegal and IMHO shouldn't have any rights at all, other than the right to be fed subsistence rations until they are deported.
HankB:
--- Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 25, 2024, 06:11:45 PM --- . . . illegals are illegal and IMHO shouldn't have any rights at all, other than the right to be fed subsistence rations until they are deported.
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Courts may not agree with me, but I basically agree with the above - the ONLY right illegals should have is humane treatment from the government in the interval between their apprehension and their removal back across the border through which they entered - and that interval should be only as long as it takes to arrange transportation.
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