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WLJ:
--- Quote from: De Selby on April 16, 2024, 10:32:25 PM ---
If the United States had similarly robust democratic processes, social safety nets, relatively high wages and good job security, it would have the same “homogenous” low levels of stress. Given the gigantic amount of wealth there overall to be honest it could outdo Scandinavia. It’s just that for political reasons, you all choose not to live in that kind of society.
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And yet Scandinavian counties have a suicide rate equal to or greater than the US depending on which one you look at.
De Selby:
--- Quote from: dogmush on April 17, 2024, 09:01:21 AM ---I don't "believe" anything. I'm stating an objective fact. Monocultures tend to have less interpersonal violence among members of the community. Australia proactively vets incoming migrants to encourage them to internalize and adopt Austalian culture. A person can adopt a new culture as their life changes, you know that right? 30% of people born overseas implies racial diversity, nut cultural.
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So you think it is the 30 minute citizenship exam that created “monoculture”? And what is monoculture? It’s a bit rich to assert you’re stating a fact when the basis of it seems as wildly speculation based as that. I’m happy to hear what is a monoculture and also how the immigration system creates it here, but it seems a lot more fantastical as a cause of low violence and low stress than just having secure employment, high pay, and access to medicine.
--- Quote ---Culture in an individual can be fluid. The prime example there is the early 20th century American immigrants who took pains to assimilate into American culture, in some cases even changing their names, and raise their children as Americans.
Unfortunately for your rambling hypothesis, it's counter-factual. Australians do not report significantly less stress than Americans. Actually probably slightly more. Australians report in the 35%-38% range for Significant Anxiety, Distress and Depression. Americans report only 24% as significantly stressed.
Of the stressors, they are remarkably similar between our countries: Finances/Money, Health issues, family issues, and workplace stress rank at the top. (Although in the 2023 American stress survey "The Economy" edged out Family Issues here. I guess we don't believe the messaging that Bidenomics is awesome. >:D )
These numbers are based in "soft science" so I wouldn't take them as the holy writ, but they certainly don't show a trend of less stress, and specifically less stress about health, mental health and employment in Oz vs. the US. That's not the cause of Australia's relatively low violence rate.
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That’s a lot of words but although money health and family rate top, the measures of access to support for each are easily measured and it’s without a doubt that Australians have more security than the USA on those fronts. Again, you can assume it’s magic “monoculturalism” or look at measurable facts, like a higher level of job security, higher incomes, and easier access to healthcare. Those seem to be obvious causes of the lower stress and attendant lower levels of violence in this country. Asserting it is “monocultural” is not an objective response to basic economic measures.
Ben:
--- Quote from: De Selby on April 19, 2024, 09:35:06 AM ---So you think it is the 30 minute citizenship exam that created “monoculture”?
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That's a bit disingenuous. Doesn't the "thirty minute citizenship exam" come well after a legal immigrant is vetted? It seems getting into Australia is a bit more complicated than slipping across the border and saying "here I am".
https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/citizenship/become-a-citizen/permanent-resident
dogmush:
Come On De Selby, your neither retarded, nor ESL. Sentence structure means something. But let me lay it out for you:
It is an objective fact that populations with lower cultural diversity and higher interpersonal trust have less interpersonal violence. I don't "think people decide to behave more peaceably by magic", there's plenty of repeatable studies among populations large and small that show this trait. Australia, by and large, has a LOT of buy in and assimilation to the "Australian" culture, that is the societal values and mores that bind the population into a cohesive culture. No this isn't done b a 30min citizenship test, but it is helped by having hard to bypass borders, and non rubber stamp immigration laws. Helped, not 100% caused, before you jump on that. By and Large, the people that choose to immigrate to Australia, and jump through the hoops to do so, do it because they want to be Australian, and largely assimilate to those values and mores. Not 100%, Religion is still a thing, and you guys have the whole Aboriginal Gordian not going on, but in comparison to the US, and much of the recent immigration to Europe, Australia has lower variations in it's base culture, and is a higher interpersonal trust society. <- Those traits are linked to lower interpersonal violence regardless of weapons availability throughout known history.
You also conveniently ignored the second part of my post that you quoted:
We weren't discussing the ease of access to healthcare and employment benefits, we were discussing how people felt about them. Both the US and Australia regularly survey their populations on Stress and mental health, and the results of those studies are public and easily googleable. True, they studies aren't identical in both countries, but they are very similar and show trends in the countries nicely. Your hypothesis that Australians are less stressed is wrong. Australians are similarly stressed. For all that access to this that or the other may be measurably easier in Australia, it does not seem to translate to less stress about those functions. That's the problem with people's feelings. You can tell them over and over again how great the economy is their safety net is and they might not agree and feel good about it. Australians are not less stressed on a macro level than Americans, even if that hurts your personal feels about how great healthcare and employment is there.
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