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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #50 on: August 29, 2022, 12:42:53 PM »
Are hybrids okay, or they have to be all-electric?
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #51 on: August 29, 2022, 12:49:43 PM »
If California doesn't figure out their water shortage issues it isn't going to matter much anyway.

The Colorado and San Juan and Salt Rivers were all raging over the week I spent in the assorted mountain ranges and drainages that fed these systems.  All the tributary streams were running, and the rivers were all chocolate with sediment from the high flow.  Downtown Moab was flooded and under water just a week ago.  Many businesses were closed due to water damage.  Some say the Colorado is always chocolate silted... but add in the same condition to the San Juan (which is often dry) and the Salt (which is usually clear) and it indicates considerable increased water flow, due to a successful southwest summer monsoon weather season.

Droughts don't last forever, and the Southwest has been in the grips of a good decade-long drought.  Policymakers are driving Lake Mead to the point of failure in order to use it as a mechanism to reshape southwest (and possibly national?) water policy, while the upstream reservoirs are at average or above average capacity for this time of year.
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #52 on: August 29, 2022, 05:08:43 PM »
My wife and I are in our mid-60's, and she thinks we will have at least one electric vehicle before we are too old to keep driving.
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #53 on: August 29, 2022, 08:52:23 PM »
The Colorado and San Juan and Salt Rivers were all raging over the week I spent in the assorted mountain ranges and drainages that fed these systems.  All the tributary streams were running, and the rivers were all chocolate with sediment from the high flow.  Downtown Moab was flooded and under water just a week ago.  Many businesses were closed due to water damage.  Some say the Colorado is always chocolate silted... but add in the same condition to the San Juan (which is often dry) and the Salt (which is usually clear) and it indicates considerable increased water flow, due to a successful southwest summer monsoon weather season.

Droughts don't last forever, and the Southwest has been in the grips of a good decade-long drought.  Policymakers are driving Lake Mead to the point of failure in order to use it as a mechanism to reshape southwest (and possibly national?) water policy, while the upstream reservoirs are at average or above average capacity for this time of year.

Even without the drought California will continue to have issues with not enough water. They have for decades refused to increase storage capacity and have even undamed some reservoirs.  All the while the population has steadily increased. Without major changes in state policy California will either eventually become unlivable for it's current population or will rely on federal action that will cost us taxpayers billions.
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2022, 04:05:47 PM »
Californians Told Not to Charge Electric Cars Days After Gas Car Sales Ban
https://www.newsweek.com/californians-told-not-charge-electric-cars-gas-car-sales-ban-1738398

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"During a Flex Alert, consumers are urged to reduce energy use from 4-9 p.m. when the system is most stressed because demand for electricity remains high and there is less solar energy available," the release said.

The top conservation actions are to set thermostats to 78 degrees or higher to reduce air conditioner use, avoid using large appliances and charging electric vehicles, and turn off unnecessary lights, it said.

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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2022, 04:08:45 PM »
Californians Told Not to Charge Electric Cars Days After Gas Car Sales Ban
https://www.newsweek.com/californians-told-not-charge-electric-cars-gas-car-sales-ban-1738398

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That state is so *expletive deleted*ing stupid...
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #56 on: August 31, 2022, 04:16:24 PM »
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #57 on: August 31, 2022, 05:49:05 PM »
That state is so *expletive deleted*ing stupid...
You don't know the half of it.

They're going to demolish hydropower dams, too - claiming they produce "insignificant" power, hurt fish, and would have huge costs to bring up to "environmental" standards.

  https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/major-hurdle-cleared-plan-demolish-california-dams-83119729
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #58 on: August 31, 2022, 06:00:17 PM »
You don't know the half of it.

They're going to demolish hydropower dams, too - claiming they produce "insignificant" power, hurt fish, and would have huge costs to bring up to "environmental" standards.

  https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/major-hurdle-cleared-plan-demolish-california-dams-83119729

They're also going to kill the Central Valley farming (where a significant portion of US food comes from) by shutting down wells and restricting surface water. I was talking to my aunt a couple of weeks ago, and she said they may lose their water next year, which means all 300+ acres of their oranges die.

Apparently within the governor's office and the legislature, there is a powerful environmental contingent that is talking about reverting nearly half the valley back to "a natural environment". If they do that, the food riots will be fun.

https://youtu.be/P8DQlqemkcQ
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #59 on: August 31, 2022, 06:07:25 PM »
Going after agriculture is the correct thing to do though. 90% of California's water use is for agriculture, and the reason is completely unrealistic water contracts for agriculture. Almonds alone use more water than the whole city of LA. There's no way to solve the water problem without addressing the agricultural waste (sorry, that's what it is), because it's a problem created by agricultural waste. One would hope they would approach it in a reasoned and intelligent way, without corruption or favoritism, but you can guess how it will really go down.
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #60 on: August 31, 2022, 06:17:17 PM »
There's no doubt that big agri-business is a problem. Some of these corporations chase popular crops in insane ways. For a while walnuts were the big thing, and the big corps planted tens of thousands of acres of them. Then when the prices dropped from over production, they went to almonds, ripping out perfectly good walnut trees to plant the new crop, and yeah, almonds take a lot of water.

Some of the wells in the West valley were being drilled to 2000 feet to get enough water. That's like a $1million well. Those wells draw down shallower groundwater, and then individual family farms go dry and they can't afford the deeper wells.

However the state response isn't a graduated one, it's using a catapult to swing the pendulum the other way and destroy more than "cash crops" like almonds. And lets not forget that CA lets billions and billions of gallons of fresh water bypass farms and dump into the ocean to "save" the Delta Smelt, which state biologists can't even find anymore.

Plus we can go back to the environmentalists kiboshing the one dam (I forget the name now) that the state tried to build in the 70s, which would have nearly eliminated the present water shortages. In many ways the water situation in CA is the same as the nuclear energy situation.
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #62 on: September 02, 2022, 08:51:21 PM »
France isn't going to have electricity shortages:

https://www.france24.com/en/france/20220902-france-to-restart-all-nuclear-reactors-by-winter-amid-energy-crunch

Soon, to keep the EV thing going, our democrats and environmentalists will insist we follow suit, stating that they have been pushing for nuclear all along and that it's the maga semi-fascist extremists that have been holding it up.
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #63 on: September 02, 2022, 11:42:28 PM »
Meanwhile, to deal with an expected spell of hot weather, California is telling owners of electric vehicles NOT to recharge them.
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #64 on: September 03, 2022, 08:43:18 AM »
Does the ICE prohibition after 2035 also include hybrid cars with ICE/battery?
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #65 on: September 03, 2022, 08:55:17 AM »
How long until California bans electric car batteries because of the environmental damage that cobalt and lithium mining causes?
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #66 on: September 03, 2022, 09:02:47 AM »
How long until California bans electric car batteries because of the environmental damage that cobalt and lithium mining causes?

NIMBY. They'll care when most of it is not mined halfway around the world by African child workers owned by Chinese corporations.
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« Reply #67 on: September 03, 2022, 09:21:00 AM »
^ Agreed. 
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #68 on: September 03, 2022, 09:32:54 AM »
Does the ICE prohibition after 2035 also include hybrid cars with ICE/battery?

From what I understand, hybrids are banned as well.
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #69 on: September 03, 2022, 09:42:27 AM »
NIMBY. They'll care when most of it is not mined halfway around the world by African child workers owned by Chinese corporations that funnel money into politicians' pockets (or the pockets of family members and donors.)
Added what you forgot at the end.

I remember during the blackout days under Gov. "Gray" Davis, California tried to get more energy by demanding Nevada send them all they needed . . . and if Nevada then ran short, they could get power from Utah. If Utah in turn needed more, they could draw on Colorado's grid. And so on and so on, with California proposing they get control of power distribution all the way back to Indiana.

This cockamamie plan didn't work . . . and California didn't built the plants they needed . . . if they HAD started back then, they'd be in good shape today. But they didn't.
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #70 on: September 03, 2022, 09:43:51 AM »
Cali: You need to buy a $60,000 + car because we're banning gas powered cars
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #71 on: September 03, 2022, 07:11:54 PM »
Banning gasoline cars - it just won't work. It is a law that will run headlong into the facts of life. Perhaps in some form it will survive, but greatly weakened.

Has California eliminated all T12 fluorescent tubes? Where I work, we still receive regular shipments of them, and people still buy them. We still sell 75-watt A19s, though they're coated, or rough-service.

If the fed.gov can't manage to eliminate ancient, T12 bulbs and ballasts, I don't see states really getting rid of all gas-engine vehicles.
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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #72 on: September 03, 2022, 08:08:49 PM »
While California pushes forward, China and India do absolutely nothing.

California's response?

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Re: No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035
« Reply #73 on: September 03, 2022, 08:10:48 PM »
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« Reply #74 on: September 03, 2022, 08:46:02 PM »
Added what you forgot at the end.

I remember during the blackout days under Gov. "Gray" Davis, California tried to get more energy by demanding Nevada send them all they needed . . . and if Nevada then ran short, they could get power from Utah. If Utah in turn needed more, they could draw on Colorado's grid. And so on and so on, with California proposing they get control of power distribution all the way back to Indiana.

This cockamamie plan didn't work . . . and California didn't built the plants they needed . . . if they HAD started back then, they'd be in good shape today. But they didn't.

That's pretty much what they're doing with water. Lake Mead is drying up, states like Nevada, Utah, and Arizona are facing rationing -- but California isn't. Yet California isn't pushing to demolish dams in the other states, from which they get their water. Only in their own state.

"Charity begins at home." California should be building dams and reservoirs, not demolishing them.
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