No New Non-Electric Vehicles in CA After 2035

[Ben]

California will ban the sale of new non-electric vehicles starting in 2035. I wonder what auto manufacturers think of this after all their years of rolling over for any CA law that came out regarding mandatory equipment in gas vehicles, which of course meant that all US vehicles were stuck with the same "improvements" and additional costs.

Or perhaps they will roll over again and (as CA undoubtedly hopes) will cease all gas vehicle production in the US to keep the CA market.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/california-ban-gas-powered-cars-electric

[WLJ]

And their power grid can't even handle the current load.
Next up an announcement of a massive increase of taxes on gas among other items and pleads for Fed funding for more windmills and solar panels.

[Bogie]

There will be state-subsidized mass transmit systems implemented. They will encourage workers to live in dorms within happy marching distance of their work places.

[Northwoods]

I’m guessing the dealers in Arizona, Nevada and Oregon are rubbing their grubby paws in delight.  Unless the are banning registration of 2035 and later model year cars with gas engines, and not just sales within the state.

[Ben]

I’m guessing the dealers in Arizona, Nevada and Oregon are rubbing their grubby paws in delight.  Unless the are banning registration of 2035 and later model year cars with gas engines, and not just sales within the state.

The article seemed to indicate that while no new cars would be sold in the state, people "can keep buying and driving them". So that might be a possibility unless they change the law again.

[DittoHead]

perhaps they will roll over again and (as CA undoubtedly hopes) will cease all gas vehicle production in the US to keep the CA market.

CA has been pretty successful throwing it's weight around to get what it wants and it's a big market but I don't think it's that big. They could still sell them in the other 49 states. Especially, as noted, right on the border of CA.

[Ben]

CA has been pretty successful throwing it's weight around to get what it wants and it's a big market but I don't think it's that big. They could still sell them in the other 49 states. Especially, as noted, right on the border of CA.

It could be. I didn't catch the "buy and drive" until Sumpnz's post.

Still we see what happened with CARB, which was originally CA only. The rest of us could have kept using regular gas cans instead of now having to use "water cans" for a normal pour spout.

Also when diesel regs went into effect in 2006(?). That was pushed by CA EPA. The automakers didn't need to change diesels in the other 49 states, but CA EPA pushed national EPA to hurry the change through, and manufacturers then put out hurried and crap products. I made the mistake of buying the first gen F250 with a DPF. What a horrible and costly mistake.

[MechAg94]

Interesting they set the date for 2035 far beyond when any of the current politicians will be held accountable. 

[Ben]

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/26/ho-lee-chit-electric-vehicles-that-supposedly-save-americans-lots-of-money-have-one-very-very-very-expensive-problem-screenshot/

https://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/10/chevy-volt-battery-replacement-cost-34000/

[Pb]

I don't expect it will be too many years before gas vehicles are banned in the entire country.

[Declaration Day]

I was in the lawn and landscape industry for 20 years.  I remember when the CARB-compliant 2-stroke grass trimmers and blowers came to Michigan. 

They were more expensive, less powerful, and had a lifespan half as long as the older equipment.  I owned grass trimmers that had catalytic converters, and they clogged easily.  I always ended up just drilling a hole through them when that happened.

[Nick1911]

I don't expect it will be too many years before gas vehicles are banned in the entire country.

Figure they'll use economic levers for that.  Increase the taxes on fuel and start taxing everything (gas and electric) per mile.  Rapidly the cost of running gas equipment would be economically nonviable.

[HankB]

Figure they'll use economic levers for that.  Increase the taxes on fuel and start taxing everything (gas and electric) per mile.  Rapidly the cost of running gas equipment would be economically nonviable.

I foresee a cottage industry of mileage alteration solutions . . .

[RocketMan]

I foresee a cottage industry of felony mileage alteration solutions . . .

FTFY

[French G.]

I am thinking on multiple stategies. Lo-tech, we have always wanted a draft horse. Next we buy all the 80s chevy pickups we can get our grubby paws on. Hoard gas and look at making ethanol if can get the feed stocks. Also have several mechanical diesels, make biodiesel. Possibly buy a new or near new car or two as close to the ban as possible and run them sparingly.

[RocketMan]

I wonder if we'll even be allowed to own cars by the time 2035 rolls around.

[JTHunter]

I don't expect it will be too many years before gas vehicles are banned in the entire country.

If that happens, I wonder what people will use for 4WD back-country vehicles.  How are people going to get "out in the boonies" to do some hunting, take care of their cattle herds, etc.?   

[RocketMan]

If that happens, I wonder what people will use for 4WD back-country vehicles.  How are people going to get "out in the boonies" to do some hunting, take care of their cattle herds, etc.?   

Do you think you will still be allowed to go out in the back country as an average citizen without some sort of special permission?

[WLJ]

I wonder if we'll even be allowed to own cars by the time 2035 rolls around.

Sure

[French G.]

The trend towards farm consolidation will continue. The haves will afford new tractors. The have nots will move to town for factory work. So much out here in ag hinges on the 30 year old truck that gets used everyday just on the farm, or maybe sits all year until the one time it is needed. Batteries not so good at that. I guess being able to fix anything will be handy.

[HankB]

Higher cost for electric vehicles - wonder how many politicians have stock in Chinese mining or battery companies? Being unaffordable for many, more money will have to be spent on public transportation - with all the opportunity for profit to a select few which that implies. Plus, with all the added electronics, don't be surprised if these will be "smart" vehicles that cali.gov can disable remotely for "traffic management" or other issues. Driving out to off road or rural or wilderness areas - where you're hard to monitor? Are you kidding? And with the CA grid inadequate, picture plenty of restrictions on charging. CA politicians clearly want people to stay close to home. This mandate goes a lot farther than just "cleaner air."

It won't surprise me if CA tries again (as they did during the Joseph "Gray" Davis governorship) to try and get states as far away as Indiana to reconfigure their grids to feed more juice into California.

I've come to the conclusion that lefty politicians have seen and read a lot of dystopian movies and books (The Hunger Games, Soylent Green, 1984, etc.) and have come to regard them as a blueprint for the future rather than as a warning against what might happen.

[dogmush]

Or this could be a feel good circle jerk by the CA Legislature that will never be implemented 'ala their microstamping law.

Or maybe they'll finally build some nuke plants.

[Ben]

Or maybe they'll finally build some nuke plants.

You're drunk.

[WLJ]

Or this could be a feel good circle jerk by the CA Legislature that will never be implemented 'ala their microstamping law.

Or maybe they'll finally build some nuke plants.

The whole point of the microstamping law was to effectively ban by other means any new guns coming into Caili since no one has ever actually gotten it to work properly and they know that.

[kgbsquirrel]

The article seemed to indicate that while no new cars would be sold in the state, people "can keep buying and driving them". So that might be a possibility unless they change the law again.

And they would neeeever change their mind and ban them after the fact *coughsks*