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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: WLJ on July 18, 2023, 09:12:57 AM
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Foxnews headline says US soldier but not seeing any mention of that anywhere else.
Either some nut who thought it would be funny or someone who wanted to "escape" the oppression of the US for a free country.
North Korea detains US soldier who crossed Military Demarcation Line, official says
https://www.foxnews.com/world/north-korea-detains-us-national-who-crossed-military-demarcation-line
From BBC News
Man laughed and ran towards border - witness
A person has spoken to the BBC's US partner CBS News
about what they saw when the US national crossed.
The unnamed witness, who was part of a tour group at the time, says the man "gave out a loud 'ha ha ha'" before he ran in between some buildings in the direction of the North Korean border.
"I thought it was a bad joke at first, but when he didn't come back, I realised it wasn't a joke, and then everybody reacted and things got crazy."
They add that there were no North Korean soldiers visible when the man crossed.
The witness says the tour group was rushed back to give statements after the man fled and were then taken to their bus.
"It actually hit me quite hard," the witness says.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-66234882
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First thought was some dumbass figuring they could hop across for a quick "Look at Me!" moment. Not enough info yet to actually tell what happened.
Brad
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Looks like BBC Updated the story:
The US national who has been detained is a solider, according to CBS News, the BBC's partner in the US.
The soldier was being escorted back to the US for disciplinary reasons, but after going through airport security they somehow returned and joined a tour at the border, a US official told CBS.
Two US officials speaking on condition of anonymity separately told the Reuters news agency that the detained person is a soldier.
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Looks like BBC Updated the story:
The US national who has been detained is a solider, according to CBS News, the BBC's partner in the US.
The soldier was being escorted back to the US for disciplinary reasons, but after going through airport security they somehow returned and joined a tour at the border, a US official told CBS.
Two US officials speaking on condition of anonymity separately told the Reuters news agency that the detained person is a soldier.
Wonder what that was for?
And it sounds like his/her escort dropped the ball
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Why, if he was being escorted for disciplinary action, be part of a tour group?
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Looks like it's gonna be a dumbass being a dumbass. Though whoever is escort was is gonna be getting an ass chewing.
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Why, if he was being escorted for disciplinary action, be part of a tour group?
Apparently after escaping his escort he joined up with a tour group.
And he has been IDed
The soldier who crossed into North Korea is Private 2nd Class Travis King, officials have told the BBC's US partner CBS News
As we previously reported, an official told CBS the soldier was being escorted out of the country for disciplinary reasons and had gone through airport security, but managed to make his way out of the terminal before joining a border tour.
A third source, a defence official, later told CBS that the soldier had "wilfully" gone across the border. His motivation remains unclear.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-66234882?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=64b6a320506a9f4885dc16dc%26Soldier%20who%20crossed%20border%20identified%262023-07-18T14%3A40%3A17.067Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:642cf895-ec4f-44fe-af2b-a720d70d95fc&pinned_post_asset_id=64b6a320506a9f4885dc16dc&pinned_post_type=share
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*expletive deleted*ck it, List him AWOL, and leave him there.
If they ever give him back, we can UCMJ him for whatever charges he already had, and desertion.
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Will they take Britney Griner for him?
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How about we empty our prisons and let Little Kim warehouse our bad guys for a few years? Sounds like the fiscally responsible thing to do. We just need to demand their release and he'll keep them indefinitely. >:D
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The incident happened a day after King was escorted to a South Korean airport following his release from prison, where he had been jailed for an altercation with locals. He was due to fly back to the US and report to Fort Bliss, Texas.
But in a near-farcical twist, King was only taken as far as security - then left alone because his minder was unable to pass through with him without a ticket.
Is it normal for this type of person to be allowed to fly back alone?
The Korean Herald reported the US national had 'defected' to North Korea, although officials in the Pentagon and State Department have not given a motive for his actions.
King is believed to have spent two months in custody in South Korea. He then spent a week under observation at a US base in South Korea before leaving the facility on Monday.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12310429/North-Korea-arrests-soldier-crossed-border-demilitarized-zone-without-authorization.html
Personally I would say let this person rot over there but I bet Biden and gang are already cooking up some sort of juicy deal to give to the N.Koreans
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Private second class?
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Private second class?
Apparently
https://www.military-ranks.org/army/private-second-class
A senior defense official tells Fox News that Private 2nd Class Travis King had just finished about two months in a South Korean detention facility following a physical altercation with locals. After King was arrested and throughout the time he was held at the facility he made comments that he did not want to come back to America, according to the official.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/north-korea-detains-us-national-who-crossed-military-demarcation-line
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Kicked a S.Korean Police car.
Makes me wonder if he has issues with police.
PICTURED: US soldier, 23, who ran into North Korea after being released from South Korea prison for kicking a cop car - as his mom says 'I can't see him defecting': Pyongyang launches missile
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12313451/PICTURED-soldier-defected-North-Korea-whisked-away-van-released-South-Korea-jail-kicking-cop-car-mom-slaps-claims-fled-just-wants-come-home.html
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Makes me wonder if He has issues with police.
Fixed it for you.
Brad
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A little bit more detail
PV2 King was reportedly investigated for assault in South Korea in September 2022. According to local media, he was suspected of punching a Korean national in a nightclub in Seoul.
He was fined 5m won (£,3,000; $3,950) for "repeatedly kicking" the back door of a police car and screamed "foul language" at the officers trying to apprehend him.
Local reports quoting officials said he was released on 10 July after serving two months in jail on assault charges, but did not elaborate.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-66219603
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A little bit more detail
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-66219603
I'm sure Al Sharpton will get him an honorable discharge. Stupid racist Koreans with their Asian privilege.
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I'm sure Al Sharpton will get him an honorable discharge. Stupid racist Koreans with their Asian privilege.
Going out on a bit of limb here but in that one photo at the dailymail link does he look a bit effeminate? Something very weird going on with his eyebrow area. Is that makeup? Looks off to me.
Could be some recent events coloring my vision here.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/07/19/04/73367205-12313451-image-a-4_1689736725151.jpg)
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A little bit more detail
PV2 King was reportedly investigated for assault in South Korea in September 2022. According to local media, he was suspected of punching a Korean national in a nightclub in Seoul.
He was fined 5m won (£,3,000; $3,950) for "repeatedly kicking" the back door of a police car and screamed "foul language" at the officers trying to apprehend him.
Local reports quoting officials said he was released on 10 July after serving two months in jail on assault charges, but did not elaborate.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-66219603
Juicy Girl wanted nothing to do with him when he ran out of money. Seen that before.
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He was fined 5m won (£,3,000; $3,950) for "repeatedly kicking" the back door of a police car and screamed "foul language" at the officers trying to apprehend him.
[I'm assuming he was kicking the back door from the inside]
If they fined miscreants in our country 4K every time they acted up during arrest, we could end the national debt! In fairness, our police also routinely scream "foul language", so maybe our culture is a little more permissive.
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[I'm assuming he was kicking the back door from the inside]
If they fined miscreants in our country 4K every time they acted up during arrest, we could end the national debt! In fairness, our police also routinely scream "foul language", so maybe our culture is a little more permissive.
Many a American has found out the hard way that most police outside of the US will not put up with the crap ours are forced to put up with here.
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A little bit more detail
PV2 King was reportedly investigated for assault in South Korea in September 2022. According to local media, he was suspected of punching a Korean national in a nightclub in Seoul.
He was fined 5m won (£,3,000; $3,950) for "repeatedly kicking" the back door of a police car and screamed "foul language" at the officers trying to apprehend him.
Local reports quoting officials said he was released on 10 July after serving two months in jail on assault charges, but did not elaborate.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-66219603
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-66219603
Juicy Girl wanted nothing to do with him when he ran out of money. Seen that before.
Guy
The Seoul court said on September 25 last year King punched a man in the face at a club several times but the case was settled.
Two weeks later, on October 8, police officers responded to a report of another altercation involving King, and tried to question him. He continued with his 'aggressive behavior' without answering questions from police, according to the court document.
Police placed him in the backseat of their patrol car where he shouted expletives and insults against Koreans, the Korean army, and the Korean police, the ruling said.
During his tirade, he kicked the vehicle's door several times, causing about 584,000 won ($461) in damages, the ruling said.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12315089/Chilling-photo-shows-solider-Travis-King-clad-black-preparing-defect-North-Korea-visiting-border-tourist-group-rogue-nation-stays-silent-hes-alive.html
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While it could have been a femboy (It's 2023 after all), the scenario I've seen play out a lot, is young soldiers go to the Juicy Bar, the girls sit with them and chat them up while running up hundreds or thousands on a bar tab. (sometimes there's a back room tug, but often not. These girls are good at promising lots without outright contracts). When the money runs out, the girl moves on, the guy feels cheated, and gets loud, then the bouncer steps in and the fight is between the bouncer and the soldier. Cops and MP's get called.
The other common situation is dude falls in love with hooker, pimp intervenes, hands are thrown. I've seen that in Korea and Bahrain.
Young idiots will spend money, and girls will pretend to like them for money. I imagine there were some hot young Celts near Hadrian's Wall raking in the Denarius (Denari?) and there will be hot young Martian girls at the frontier stations willing to spend time with Colonial Marines in exchange for credits.
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and there will be hot young Martian girls at the frontier stations willing to spend time with Colonial Marines in exchange for credits.
I'm waiting for...
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Private second class?
Yes. The junior enlisted ranks have changed since I was in the Army during Vietnam. Back then, Private (E-1) and Private 9E-2) had no stripe. Somewhere along the way, what had been the single PFC (E-3) stripe was assigned to the newly created rank of Private Second Class (E-2), and the Private First Class stripe got a rocker.
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I'm waiting for...
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Is that the chubby dictator's little sister?
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Private second class?
Yes. The junior enlisted ranks have changed since I was in the Army during Vietnam. Back then, Private (E-1) and Private 9E-2) had no stripe. Somewhere along the way, what had been the single PFC (E-3) stripe was assigned to the newly created rank of Private Second Class (E-2), and the Private First Class stripe got a rocker.
It still is just "Private". E1 and E2 are both just Privates, with E-3 being Private First Class. This is laid out in Tables 1-1 and 1-2 of Army Regulation 600-20
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I’m betting this dude was on the wrong tail of the intelligence quotient distribution curve to start with. Factor in alcohol and someone probably telling him that the Norks treat western defectors like royalty (part of their propaganda) and he probably figured he could escape the consequences of his bad decisions by making a colossally worse one.
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It still is just "Private". E1 and E2 are both just Privates, with E-3 being Private First Class. This is laid out in Tables 1-1 and 1-2 of Army Regulation 600-20
Yes, but Private E-2 is now abbreviated PV2, and they get a stripe. When I was in (shortly after Charlemagne and the signing of the Magna Carta) Privates E-2 were still slick-sleeve and the abbreviation for E-1 and E-2 was PVT.
Of course, back then the Specialist grades went all the way up to E-7. Now it's limited to Spec 4.
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dogmush unparalleled:
"Young idiots will spend money, and girls will pretend to like them for money. I imagine there were some hot young Celts near Hadrian's Wall raking in the Denarius (Denari?) and there will be hot young Martian girls at the frontier stations willing to spend time with Colonial Marines in exchange for credits."
Sooth, sooth, verily truth.
Thanks for the belly laugh.
Terry, 230RN
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I'm waiting for...
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Yeah, those Orion slave girls can be very influential. :rofl:
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The U.S. Army soldier who crossed into North Korea earlier this week "may not have been thinking clearly," Army Secretary Christine Wormuth said.
Ya think?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/army-secretary-soldier-crossed-north-korea-may-not-have-been-thinking-clearly
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I get the sense that you lowly non veterans have never really had many up close encounters with the elusive North American junior enlisted ****bag. They are truly special and I had several of the Seamen/Airman Timmy work for me. Faking injury, real injury on purpose, going UA back home to the Rez, lack of any hygiene etc. This dude didn’t surprise me in the least.
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I get the sense that you lowly non veterans have never really had many up close encounters with the elusive North American junior enlisted ****bag. They are truly special and I had several of the Seamen/Airman Timmy work for me. Faking injury, real injury on purpose, going UA back home to the Rez, lack of any hygiene etc. This dude didn’t surprise me in the least.
Too true.
I spent less than a year at a CONUS artillery unit and, in that time, I was involved in tracking down at least three AWOLs. And I wasn't an MP -- First Sergeant and the CO wanted to give them a break and try to get them back before we formally reported them as AWOL on the morning report.
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He crossed willingly?
They can have him.
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He crossed willingly?
They can have him.
Reported by a witness laughing as he went.
Leave him there to enjoy the freedoms of a non-capitalist state
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Reported by a witness laughing as he went.
Leave him there to enjoy the freedoms of a non-capitalist state
I wonder if he's still laughing.
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Unless he was already on their payroll I suspect he is in for a not so pleasant surprise.
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Red flags popped up early
Weeks earlier, on Sept. 4, while serving at Camp Bonifas near the southern end of the Demilitarized Zone that separates North and South Korea, King skipped out on his daily formation and took off to a nearby city, ABC News reported.
When the base managed to reach King, who served as a cavalry scout, he “refused to return to post or America,” a U.S. official told the outlet.
Travis King told officials he wouldn't 'return to America' nearly a year before fleeing to North Korea
https://nypost.com/2023/07/22/travis-king-showed-signs-of-defecting-before-fleeing-to-n-korea/
It remains publicly unclear what exactly motivated King to flee, though an official said that last year he said he would not return to America.
"I'm sure that he's not being treated very well," McCaul said Sunday. "I think it was a serious mistake on his part, and I hope we can get him back."
'I worry' about 'price' to get soldier Travis King back from North Korea, McCaul says
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/worry-price-soldier-travis-king-back-north-korea/story?id=101581768
Which raises the question
If they already knew this why didn't they make arraignments for him to be escorted back? Sounds like someone dropped the ball.
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Which raises the question
If they already knew this why didn't they make arraignments for him to be escorted back? Sounds like someone dropped the ball.
I read an article that said the escorts weren't allowed through airport security because they weren't going to be flying.
How many ways are there to spell D-U-M-B?
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Which raises the question
If they already knew this why didn't they make arraignments for him to be escorted back? Sounds like someone dropped the ball.
I read an article that said the escorts weren't allowed through airport security because they weren't going to be flying.
How many ways are there to spell D-U-M-B?
Yeah I'm aware of that thus why I was wondering why they didn't make arraignments for someone(s) to go with him considering his pass statements.
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I can promise you there was a GS-9 somewhere in the command that was like "We're not paying for an extra ticket there and back. We'll just pick him up at security in the states."
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I can promise you there was a GS-9 somewhere in the command that was like "We're not paying for an extra ticket there and back. We'll just pick him up at security in the states."
How did that work out?
They already knew this guy was flaky and a flight risk. Granted they probably didn't think he would run to N.K.
Now how much is Biden going to pay to get this "American hero" back? Please note the quotes
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I can promise you there was a GS-9 somewhere in the command that was like "We're not paying for an extra ticket there and back. We'll just pick him up at security in the states."
I don't understand why he was being flown home on a commercial flight at all. With the continuing U.S. military presence in South Korea, we must have military planes flying in and out of the country on a regular basis. In retrospect, it would have been a lot wiser to send him and his escorts back on an empty cargo plane.
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I don't understand why he was being flown home on a commercial flight at all. With the continuing U.S. military presence in South Korea, we must have military planes flying in and out of the country on a regular basis. In retrospect, it would have been a lot wiser to send him and his escorts back on an empty cargo plane.
Without going into a ton of detail about Joint operations, it's not that easy to just throw a joe on a C17. One, there are no "empty" cargo planes flying around the Pacific. Two, this kid operationally belongs to Commander, US Forces Korea, but depending on exactly how he was deployed, his Administrative Control could still be running through 1st Cav back at Hood. Neither of those commanders own any C17s.
The folks that DO own those planes report to Air Mobility Command, and they are who decided who and what get's on an airplane based on the USINDOPACOM Commander's priorities and AMC's airframe availability. Which is why we have SOPs for who and what get grey tail transport. SOP for personnel entering and exiting theater is hit a theater gateway, and fly commercial. There was nothing in this kid's backstory that I have seen yet that comes anywhere near close enough to warrant the General Officer override of that policy.*
And all that is assuming there were actually C17's leaving Korea and going anywhere near Texas, which is not a sure thing at all. As far as I can tell from the stories, while he was flying home to face pending UCMJ, that could just be an Article 15. I have seen nothing saying he was in any kind of custody for the trip.
How did that work out?
They already knew this guy was flaky and a flight risk. Granted they probably didn't think he would run to N.K.
Now how much is Biden going to pay to get this "American hero" back? Please note the quotes
I didn't say the GS-9 was right, I just said that's probably what happened. For all we know his Company and immediate Chain of Command wanted to escort their crazy kid back, and theat exception to policy request hit Brigade's fund manager and stopped dead at that staff. The Commander assumed risk he didn't even know about. We need a "Sarcastic, dry humor" smiley.
*I say that as a person that has had to get those GO overrides and walk them through CDDOC to get AMC to put 5 people and their *expletive deleted*it on an airplane in Afghanistan.
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Strap him under a wing or to the landing gear... It'll be fiiiiine.
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The military seems very ad hoc when it comes to stuff like minor offender transportation and also commercial travel. I have been involved with both, nothing like dragging a guy all over Norfolk in shackles. Taking him shopping even so he has the required items for the brig. I was an aircraft mechanic, not a prison guard.
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In my Experience, for minor stuff It's the Unit's responsibility to get them there, so whomever is standing around at the Company Area that day get's "Hey You"d into transport.
I guess MP's are too busy writing tickets for jogging with earbuds in to bother with transporting anyone short of a felon.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RktX4lbe_g4
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The newest update I could find was from July 24: https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/24/asia/unc-conversation-begins-north-korea-travis-king-intl-hnk/index.html
It doesn't tell us much.
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He’ll probably come back similarly to Otto Warmbier.
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They're reportedly spitting him back out
U.S. soldier Travis King will be 'expelled' from North Korea after two months in custody, state media announced Wednesday.
The North Korean news agency KCNA reported that King is being removed from the country because of his 'illegal entry' in July when he broke free from a tour group viewing the DMZ and made a made dash to the communist country.
Officials in the country said that they had concluding their 'questioning' of King and said that he sought refuge in North Korea because he harbored 'ill feeling against inhuman maltreatment and racial discrimination' in the U.S. Military. There have been no statements from the U.S. on King's impending release.
It's not clear where Private King, 23, will be sent, nor when exactly he will be released. The rogue state infamously has almost non-existent diplomatic relations with its neighbors, with the notable exceptions of Russia and China. There have been no details released regarding King's health nor has been seen since July
North Korea 'expels' US soldier Travis King weeks after he sprinted across the border into the rogue state during a tour of the region
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12566033/North-Korea-expels-soldier-Travis-King-weeks-sprinted-border-rogue-state-tour-region.html
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So this time, I bet the Army is not trusting him to get on the plane by himself to fly back to Ft. Hood for NJP. He probably has an escort now.
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Am I a bad person for having forgotten all about this nutcase?
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Think he'll get an invite to the WH?
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So this time, I bet the Army is not trusting him to get on the plane by himself to fly back to Ft. Hood for NJP. He probably has an escort now.
You'd think, but Oct 1 is this Sunday, and there's no funding in Defense Travel Service. Especially if the gov shuts down, no one's going on non essential TDY.
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Think he'll get an invite to the WH?
I'm sure that boy will.
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I'm sure that boy will.
Which one? LL J cool LL Bean?
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Updated
Senior US administration officials confirmed that Private King had been transferred to US custody in China.
His condition and the details of his confinement in North Korea remain unclear.
Travis King in US custody after North Korea expulsion
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66939470
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Am I a bad person for having forgotten all about this nutcase?
Someone on the left will be along shortly to tell you you only forgot about him because he's black you racist bigot.
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Updated
Travis King in US custody after North Korea expulsion
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66939470
Huh. I would have thought that the NK would have marched him to the border line at the treaty complex and given him a hearty shove over the line.
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Wow, when even North Korea doesn't value you enough to be leverage...
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Wow, when even North Korea doesn't value you enough to be leverage...
I'm wondering what Biden gave the N.Koreans to get our hero back.
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Apparently he's facing child porn charges among other things
The Army private who fled to North Korea before being returned home to the United States last month has been charged with desertion and child pornography.
Private Travis King, 23, was detained by the US military and is facing charges including desertion and possessing sexual images of a child, among other crimes.
The charges have not been publicly announced, but officials confirmed eight counts against King.
Desertion is a serious charge that can result in a three-year prison sentence.
King is also accused of kicking and punching other officers last year, unlawfully possessing alcohol, making a false statement and possessing a video of a child engaged in sexual activity, according to AP.
That allegation dates to July 10, the same day he was released from a South Korean prison where he had served nearly two months on assault charges.
The charging document does not provide significant detail on any of the allegations, though it does accuse King of knowingly possessing a video of a child engaging in sexual conduct last July 10 and says that he solicited a user of Snapchat, a social media platform, to produce images of underage sexual activity.
Sean Timmons, an attorney who specializes in military law at the Tully Rinckey law firm and who reviewed the charging document, said all the transactions that occurred on Snapchat were not secure or private and were accessible by the government.
'He probably reasonably believed his illegal conduct would have no evidentiary trail, but Snapchat actually saves everything,' Timmons said to AP.
Travis King, who crossed into North Korea before returning to US, charged with desertion and possession of child porn
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12652213/Travis-King-North-Korea-charges-desertion.html
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Apparently he's being facing child porn charges among other things
Travis King, who crossed into North Korea before returning to US, charged with desertion and possession of child porn
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12652213/Travis-King-North-Korea-charges-desertion.html
Should’ve just let the Norks keep him.
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Ooh, I wonder if he is going to have his mail forwarded to Leavenworth.
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Should’ve just let the Norks keep him.
When they found out what a P.o.S. he is, they didn't WANT him !