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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Perd Hapley on May 17, 2010, 11:01:18 PM
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If I understand correctly, St. Louis is one of the few places in the country with a dedicated classical music station. Well, that's all about to end. :'(
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/entertainment/stories.nsf/stage/story/FEFCC9694080DD788625771C000353D4?OpenDocument
In the past few years, I've come to have a love-hate relationship with the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. Their owning a classical music station went in the Love column. Selling it to purveyors of sappy pop garbage goes into the Hate column. :'(
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i strongly dislike the whole christian rock thing. i've heard it a few times and its the same song, over and over and over. the only good christian rock songs i've heard that were good, ended up on regular rock stations. the rest is all really obnoxious.
i should also point out, that despite my being an athiest, i do like a lot of christian music.
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i strongly dislike the whole christian rock pop music thing. i've heard it a few times and its the same song, over and over and over. the only good christian rock pop music songs i've heard that were good, ended up on never made it to regular rock stations. the rest is all really obnoxious.
FTFY
Also, I have no idea why so few forums support strike through. I lurvs me some [s ] [ /s]
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there's good and bad in Christan music. have you seen the southpark where cartman starts a Christan band? (http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103772) i could swear this is how some Christan bands got started.
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there's good and bad in Christan music.
Quite so. I have yet to find out whether this particular outfit is good or bad, but let's just say I've learned to be disappointed in "contemporary Christian."
Now some good Michael Card, or the late Rich Mullins, that's quite a different story.
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These fellows do a pretty good job:
http://www.creaturemusic.com/
The mastermind behind remastering the hymns is this fellow:
http://www.stanford.edu/~paulcon/#
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Well, j_roo, I'm not blown away, but I am impressed. Not half bad.
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We've got an excellent classical music station:
http://www.kmfa.org/
I listen to it every day. I think my car stereo might be stuck on it.
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In the past few years, I've come to have a love-hate relationship with the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. Their owning a classical music station went in the Love column. Selling it to purveyors of sappy pop garbage goes into the Hate column.
A good MP3 player/FM modulator combo that plugs into the cigarette lighter, a couple of cheap SD cards, and the podcast files from http://www.wrr101.com/ can solve your problem.
As a bonus, a lot of those players are also Bluetooth handsfree devices, so you get the nifty stereo-pauses-and-becomes-your-speakerphone-automatically feature a lot cheaper than finding a stereo with it built in.
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If I understand correctly, St. Louis is one of the few places in the country with a dedicated classical music station. Well, that's all about to end. :'(
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/entertainment/stories.nsf/stage/story/FEFCC9694080DD788625771C000353D4?OpenDocument
In the past few years, I've come to have a love-hate relationship with the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. Their owning a classical music station went in the Love column. Selling it to purveyors of sappy pop garbage goes into the Hate column. :'(
Ahh, the same folks who abruptly (as in, "Don't come in tomorrow") sacked Issues, Etc (http://issuesetc.org/).
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The mastermind behind remastering the hymns is this fellow:
http://www.stanford.edu/~paulcon/#
Really. Not seeing anything there. I'll google up later.
Indelible Grace (http://www.igracemusic.com/) is good. "Remastered hymns" genre. Good, good, good.
RUF Auburn (http://www.auburn.edu/ruf/?page_id=10#music) has a couple CDs that are the same, slightly more "popy". (May not be available anymore, direct links gone 404.).
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Full disclosure.
I was raised fundy Christian in a setting where even Christian Contemporary was off limits for both personal and worship use. I and my three siblings were all classically trained on the piano and violin so we always had classical music in the house.
But I also grew up listening to my dad and his friends play bluegrass and when I was a teenager I started listening to country and classic rock and roll on the side. You'd be surprised how many rock songs use the same chord progression as folk music from the US and British Isles. AC/DC does that a LOT. (though IMHO most of their stuff is not fit to listen to lyrically)
All that to say. When I moved to VT I finally started attending a church that uses CCM in their worship service....and I really don't like it as much. To me it's not as good as the old hymns, but it may just be my preference. Everyone else listens to KLOV, the nationally syndicated CCM station but I just can't find it in me to listen to it in the "pop" setting. At church we play it in a manner easier to sing, which helps.
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I'm a Christian, so I figure if I listen to it, that makes it Christian music.
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I tried out a church down the street from me. I walked in and saw the rock band setting up on the stage and just groaned. Most of the songs had pretty sappy lyrics that had little or no meaning. There are lots of classic Christian hymns that are much better IMO. I haven't heard much in the way of modern Christian music that wasn't either sappy or just pop music.
The Church I grew up with had little or no ceremonial stuff. You walked in and sat down and the pastor did a 45 minute sermon with a few announcements and then you left. We sung a few songs on Sunday morning. It was straightforward and technical. Most of the songs we did sing were of the variety that the 80 year old songs were the new ones. Onward Christian Soldiers was the most common.
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I liked Elvis' hymns when they were contemporary. Haven't liked much since.
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Back In The Day, I used to listen to a lot of CCM. Not all of it was dreck, though there was quite a bit that was really terrible.
Some of the earlier Michael W. Smith and Amy Grant weren't bad. The more "pop"-y they tried to get, though, the worse they became, and Grant's "Heart in Motion" album was a travesty from any direction you looked at it.
Petra and Sacred Warrior were (looking back) not particularly good, and Seventh Angel was downright bad, but their rock sound helped me (an angry teen who was searching) transition in from more mainstream rock. So there's a place for all of that stuff. Ultimately, if the music reaches someone, and helps them, then it's doing its job, even if it's not music that you like.
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Tragedy, or contemporary Christian music ruins everything.
I read, in Warren Cole Smith's A Lover's Quarrel With the Evangelical Church (http://loversquarrel.net/) that the target audience of Christian radio is notional "Becky". "Becky" is a mom in her thirties with a couple kids, a minivan, a marriage that may not be so good, and may not even be a Christian. And she likes her radio safe.
Explains a lot.
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I dislike the move away from hymnals in churches. Nobody sings parts anymore; not even on traditional Christmas carols. So I bellow out the bass part from memory.
I think a big part of it is the vacuous repetitive lyrics of the "praise" tunes have lobotomized everybody.
(I tried watching the previously-linked South Park video last night, but the feed kept pausing ("buffering") every 20 to 30 seconds even though I had a fast Internet connection. Made it unwatchable. And when I tried to download it, all I got was the commercial at the beginning)
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i strongly dislike the whole christian rock thing. i've heard it a few times and its the same song, over and over and over.
Same could be said for disco, rap, and hiphop . . . except the last two don't remotely qualify as actual music.We've got an excellent classical music station:
http://www.kmfa.org/
I listen to it every day. I think my car stereo might be stuck on it.
Me too . . . except that on weekends, they tend to play a lot of choral/opera music, which isn't my cup of tea.
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And, if y-al're interested, The Genevan Psalter Resource Center (http://www.genevanpsalter.com/music-a-lyrics). This guy has recorded them all, with some other stuff.
Some of them (http://www.genevanpsalter.com/attachments/GenPs042_vocal_homoph_BoP84.MP3) are quite striking. I remember singing this (http://www.genevanpsalter.com/attachments/GenNunc_vocal_homoph_BoP84.MP3) in church. I miss this stuff.
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I've heard quite a bit of good Christian metal.
One of the few saving graces of SF & NYC are a good classical music station.
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These fellows do a pretty good job:
http://www.creaturemusic.com/
The mastermind behind remastering the hymns is this fellow:
http://www.stanford.edu/~paulcon/#
Before he left to get his PhD, he planned on a contemporary remastering of "A Mighty Fortress" into a metal tune, IIRC. Never happened, but the potential is there.
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Before he left to get his PhD, he planned on a contemporary remastering of "A Mighty Fortress" into a metal tune, IIRC. Never happened, but the potential is there.
Really. Got any links? I'm not finding anything.
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Does Mississippi Squirrel Revival qualify as Christian Music? =)
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I've heard quite a bit of good Christian metal.
One of the few saving graces of SF & NYC are a good classical music station.
see, this and christian punk music, i just don't get.
and one of the good christian alt/rock song that made it mainstream that i was thinking of was that jars of clay song.
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see, this and christian punk music, i just don't get.
How so?
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I hate, HATE Christian Contemporary. I'm using the word "hate" here.
Not all Christian music is bad, though.
That SaidTM, cheesy as it is, Petra's "Beyond Belief" will always be allowed. My first forays into industrial metal were via Klank and Argyle Park, which I listened to almost exclusively in grade school. =D
Other notably good bands I'd include are Anberlin, Project 86, and possibly Sheltershed (for the ravers).
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Anberlin is Christian? Klank and Project 86 are pretty good, as is Grammatrain.
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Really. Got any links? I'm not finding anything.
I knew him when he lead a local church's music section. We spoke on that & other matters. We were the most orthodox Christians attending at that time. He slipped in his orthodoxy under the nose of the theologically heterodox/liberal by way of his music and the lyrics of the old hymns he re-made. They would have been outraged, had they been able to spot orthodoxy(0). But, to most, it was just pretty music.
Dude had a wicked sense of humor.
(0) Similar to the old joke about the guy who was arrested for smuggling books into Kentucky, but got off because they couldn't prove they were books...
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Does Mississippi Squirrel Revival qualify as Christian Music? =)
I like Smokey Mountain Rattlesnake Retreat (and the Dooright Family)
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How so?
particularly with the punk, but it just seems like an oxymoron.
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particularly with the punk, but it just seems like an oxymoron.
Well, the stereotypical lifestyles associated with those types of music are, but the musical styles are hardly wrong in and of themselves. No different than the way a lot of people associate certain cheap and crappy guns with criminals...
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Well, the stereotypical lifestyles associated with those types of music are, but the musical styles are hardly wrong in and of themselves. No different than the way a lot of people associate certain cheap and crappy guns with criminals...
perhaps i just don't like the fact that the style that gave us 53rd & 3rd and Oh Bondage Up Yours has been altered in such a fashion.
christian punk is definatly nothing like my dads own Vigilante.
heavy metel and punk is fast, vicious music. if the lyrics don't match, it just don't work for me, and jesus loves me just doesn't seem right for 3 chords of screaming bloody murder.
the Dickies "Silent Night" is the exception, but thats just funny.
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One of my favorite Zao songs is about a porn star. They also do a good one about desiring Armageddon, as the world is currently so broken. Lots of Christian metal and punk about being young and angry, although not nihilistically hopeless as most non-Christian metal is. I think you may be judging that which you know not.
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I dislike most CCM. With few exceptions, I just don't care for it.
Some is OK, some of Casting Crowns stuff comes to mind. But by and large it's horrid stuff with no meaning, and what little meaning there may be is often....odd.
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heavy metel and punk is fast, vicious music. if the lyrics don't match, it just don't work for me, and jesus loves me just doesn't seem right for 3 chords of screaming bloody murder.
Sacred Warrior's "Wicked Generation" album is a story, similar in concept to Queensrÿche's "Operation Mindcrime", but (if I recall correctly -- it's been well over a decade since I've heard it) deals with a sexually-abused teen girl's running away and falling into prostitution, and her eventual redemption through Christ.
Seventh Angel's song "I of the Needle" deals with addiction, and the suboptimality thereof.
Songs don't have to me saccharine "Jesus loves me" songs in order to be Christian (and meaningfully so). Some people's paths have taken them to a darker place, and they need music that travels in darker places to find them and bring them out.
The Choir's "Chase the Kangaroo" is a great album (not heavy metal or anything like that, but Christian music that's not a smarm-fest). I'm no longer Christian, but that album is still in my playlist because the music and the ideas behind it still hold value to me.
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i had a camp consoler try to hook me on C punk at one point. i listined to a bunch of diffrent bands for severel days. i was not impressed.
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I like Smokey Mountain Rattlesnake Retreat (and the Dooright Family)
Play thuh peeyanner Mama! :laugh:
Brad
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I dislike the move away from hymnals in churches. Nobody sings parts anymore; not even on traditional Christmas carols. So I bellow out the bass part from memory.
Parts?
Is that why those books full of songs have all them extry notes under the notes we actually sing? THOSE parts?
It's tough to sing the bass line when all the loud MEN on both sides of you are signing the soprano line, two or three octaves lower than their wives/girlfriends. It's even tougher when you don't really know how to read music.
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Parts?
Is that why those books full of songs have all them extry notes under the notes we actually sing? THOSE parts?
It's tough to sing the bass line when all the loud MEN on both sides of you are signing the soprano line, two or three octaves lower than their wives/girlfriends. It's even tougher when you don't really know how to read music.
reintroduce Sacred Harp.
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Parts?
Is that why those books full of songs have all them extry notes under the notes we actually sing? THOSE parts?
It's tough to sing the bass line when all the loud MEN on both sides of you are signing the soprano line, two or three octaves lower than their wives/girlfriends. It's even tougher when you don't really know how to read music.
I think the problem is not a lack of hymnals. I've heard a lack of parts sung in church LONG before the hymnals were done away with. (I read music and will sing a part even without it.)
I believe the disappearance of the hymnals is a symptom, not a cause. Decry the lack of musical education in this country. (Do you know how FEW people can read music?)
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I can't read music to save my life. What I wonder about is whether people can read the lyrics to hymnal music.
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Denver has a classical station, KVOD, 88.1, but for the past three years ever since one particular announcer came on board, they've been playing "sacred music" up the ying-yang. Yeah, yeah, church music is important in the history of music, but for cryin' out loud, a 3-hour stretch of church music on sunday from 7 to 10 AM is too much. And they slip it in here and there, too.
I figure if I wanted to hear "sacred music" on sunday I'd go to church for an hour's service and that would be that.
That station is dead to me from 7-10 AM sundays.
And the range doesn't open 'till 10AM.
Phooey.
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a 3-hour stretch of church music on sunday from 7 to 10 AM is too much.
??? For one thing, there's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of it, and it sounds pretty much like the rest of the music on a classical station, so what's the problem?
Besides, it's only three hours out of the week. You absolutely have to have non-churchy classical for those three hours? ???
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i prefer old time and bluegrass gosple rather then classical, although i do like hearing good organ music and choral works.
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I can't read music to save my life. What I wonder about is whether people can read the lyrics to hymnal music.
do you want to learn how? i think i have some good bookmarks,(free lesson) if you want i'll post them. if you just want to know which key a song or word is in, it's not that involved. i mean, if i can...
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Sanglant, I'm doing good if I can distinguish the lower note from the higher one. Seriously. =| I might wish to learn someday, but for now, I just sing along, or harmonize by ear, and try to go higher or lower as the notes dip higher or lower on the staff.
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just the basics in case you get bored some day, and want to work on it. =D
http://fastpianolessons.com/blog/reading-music-learning-note-names/
http://www.theviolincase.com/flashcards/
on the treble staff, you have the lines. Every Good Boy Does Fine, and the spaces, F A C E. counting a both it's, E F G A B C D E. see it's really simple if your not trying to do it fast enough to play or sing. ledger lines above or bellow the staff continue the same pattern. sharps and flats are the between A and B, C and D, D and E, F and G, G and A.
oh, this is what i picked up when i noticed myself going dumb(er), i am to where i can play some simple songs. or wake the dead. =D a 16watt amp is a lot louder than you would think. :O
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For one thing, there's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of it(A), and it sounds pretty much like the rest of the music on a classical station(B), so what's the problem?(D)
Besides, it's only three hours out of the week. You absolutely have to have non-churchy classical for those three hours? (C)
A. True. Too much, especially vocal, and most especially Gregorian chant. Feh.
B. No, it don't.
C. Yes
D. See A, B, and C
Feh.
Terry, 230RN
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I really doubt it's actual Gregorian chant, but if so you are a lucky dog. I'm sorry you don't like choral music. You should learn to appreciate it. :P
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I really doubt it's actual Gregorian chant, but if so you are a lucky dog. I'm sorry you don't like choral music. You should learn to appreciate it. :P
"It's all downhill after Bach," says my pastor. I am inclined to agree, though there are a few composers who come close.
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Chicago's classical station --> http://www.wfmt.com/
We used to have another WDRV, but it went to classic rock. I mean good classic rock. I didn't have to reset my programmed buttons in the car.
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"It's all downhill after Bach," says my pastor. I am inclined to agree, though there are a few composers who come close.
LOL (Does not necessarily imply agreement, only amusement.)
I really doubt it's actual Gregorian chant, but if so you are a lucky dog. I'm sorry you don't like choral music. You should learn to appreciate it. :P
Oh, I should, should I? :P
Thank you for your advice. :P
Feh.
Terry, 230RN
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We used to have another WDRV, but it went to classic rock. I mean good classic rock. I didn't have to reset my programmed buttons in the car.
That's a blessing.
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"Classic rock" is code for middle age guys trying to relive their youth. :P
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WDRV Chicago streams online also: http://den-a.plr.liquidcompass.net/player/flash/audio_player.php?id=WDRVFM&uid=11 (http://den-a.plr.liquidcompass.net/player/flash/audio_player.php?id=WDRVFM&uid=11)
I've warmed up to the modern worship music even though the old hymns "feel" more like church to me. As far as the message is concerned, I tend to like the songs that have more meat just like I like my sermons with more meat. Not everybody approaches their faith like I do though, for some it is a more emotional experience and less cerebral.
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"Classic rock" is code for middle age guys trying to relive their youth. :P
i like classic rock. does that mean i'm a middle age guy?
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i like classic rock. does that mean i'm a middle age guy?
Yes. Everyone knows any girl on the net is really a middle aged guy.
;)
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Yes. Everyone knows any girl on the net is really a middle aged guy.
;)
[tinfoil] wait! you mean people on the net arn't who they say they are!?!?1?!?!11? [tinfoil]
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"Classic rock" is code for middle age guys trying to relive their youth. :P
One of the reasons I like classic rock is same reason I like milsurps--it connects me to the past.
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I always just find the idea of liking music from a certain era for it's nostalgia vs the actual sound interesting. Obviously not everyone who listens to CR is like that, but enough are that I find it amusing.
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Oh, I should, should I? :P
Thank you for your advice. :P
And I'm sure your local classical station thanks you for yours. ;)
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I always just find the idea of liking music from a certain era for it's nostalgia vs the actual sound interesting. Obviously not everyone who listens to CR is like that, but enough are that I find it amusing.
yeah, its about what the music sounds like rather then nostalgia for those of us who wern't even born back then. =D
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[tinfoil] wait! you mean people on the net arn't who they say they are!?!?1?!?!11? [tinfoil]
Of course....I'm actually an 11-y.o. girl pretending to be a dirty old man.... =D
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I've found very little contemporary Christian music worth listening to ('course, I haven't looked very hard either), but I luvs me some good gospel. Lighthouse family, for example, or Elvis (yep, that guy), or the Five Blind Boys of Alabama. Or Johnny Cash, mustn't forget Johnny Cash's gospel.
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I've found very little contemporary Christian music worth listening to ('course, I haven't looked very hard either), but I luvs me some good gospel. Lighthouse family, for example, or Elvis (yep, that guy), or the Five Blind Boys of Alabama. Or Johnny Cash, mustn't forget Johnny Cash's gospel.
i love the blind boys. my uncle got to see them once. gave my mother a cd, which i promptly ripped.
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I think some of this is the %90 rule.
%90 of everything is crap, and some at the fringe or totally outside the rap/Christian/hardcore/doom metal etc etc group generally only sees the %90 and the small fraction of the non-crap that's mainstream.
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I think some of this is the %90 rule.
Sturgeon's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_Law)
"90% of science fiction is crap" --famous science fiction writer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Sturgeon)
"gasp!" --fannish audience
"90% of everything is crap." --famous SF writer.
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Thank you, I knew it was a "law" but couldn't remember who originated it.
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well, I looked at a "gospel" rock channel last night, they featured "Flyleaf"
I had no idea they were a Christian band, they had a hit a few yrs ago
"Sick" I think, a tiny girl with a huge voice screaming "sicccck" in that heavy metal sound the kids like to do nowadays, then going back to girl voice. ... I really like that song
i hope this is it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWIADZKU9dw
the pc I'm using has no speakers
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Before he left to get his PhD, he planned on a contemporary remastering of "A Mighty Fortress" into a metal tune, IIRC. Never happened, but the potential is there.
Which reminds me. A Mighty Fortress is often sung with the wrong rhythm. So I have been told, by music geeks. This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVeBM13ulQU) is the right way. Gives me chills when I hear it.
Then there's this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcZQlmvtZ7E). Acapella psalmody. Psalm 102, one of the anti-happyclappy ones.
An ev'ning shadow are my days;
Like grass I wither soon away.
But You, Jehovah, sit enthroned
Forever; Your memorial
Abides through generations all.