Tragedy, or contemporary Christian music ruins everything.

[Balog]

see, this and christian punk music, i just don't get.

How so?

[S. Williamson]

I hate, HATE Christian Contemporary.  I'm using the word "hate" here.

Not all Christian music is bad, though.

That Said^TM, cheesy as it is, Petra's "Beyond Belief" will always be allowed.  My first forays into industrial metal were via Klank and Argyle Park, which I listened to almost exclusively in grade school.  

Other notably good bands I'd include are Anberlin, Project 86, and possibly Sheltershed (for the ravers).

[Balog]

Anberlin is Christian? Klank and Project 86 are pretty good, as is Grammatrain.

[roo_ster]

Really.  Got any links?  I'm not finding anything.

I knew him when he lead a local church's music section.  We spoke on that & other matters.  We were the most orthodox Christians attending at that time.  He slipped in his orthodoxy under the nose of the theologically heterodox/liberal by way of his music and the lyrics of the old hymns he re-made. They would have been outraged, had they been able to spot orthodoxy(0).  But, to most, it was just pretty music.

Dude had a wicked sense of humor.





(0) Similar to the old joke about the guy who was arrested for smuggling books into Kentucky, but got off because they couldn't prove they were books...

[zxcvbob]

Does Mississippi Squirrel Revival qualify as Christian Music?   

I like Smokey Mountain Rattlesnake Retreat (and the Dooright Family)

[BlueStarLizzard]

How so?

particularly with the punk, but it just seems like an oxymoron.

[Balog]

particularly with the punk, but it just seems like an oxymoron.

Well, the stereotypical lifestyles associated with those types of music are, but the musical styles are hardly wrong in and of themselves. No different than the way a lot of people associate certain cheap and crappy guns with criminals...

[BlueStarLizzard]

Well, the stereotypical lifestyles associated with those types of music are, but the musical styles are hardly wrong in and of themselves. No different than the way a lot of people associate certain cheap and crappy guns with criminals...

perhaps i just don't like the fact that the style that gave us 53rd & 3rd and Oh Bondage Up Yours has been altered in such a fashion.

christian punk is definatly nothing like my dads own Vigilante.

heavy metel and punk is fast, vicious music. if the lyrics don't match, it just don't work for me, and jesus loves me just doesn't seem right for 3 chords of screaming bloody murder.

the Dickies "Silent Night" is the exception, but thats just funny.

[Balog]

One of my favorite Zao songs is about a porn star. They also do a good one about desiring Armageddon, as the world is currently so broken. Lots of Christian metal and punk about being young and angry, although not nihilistically hopeless as most non-Christian metal is. I think you may be judging that which you know not.

[lupinus]

I dislike most CCM. With few exceptions, I just don't care for it.

Some is OK, some of Casting Crowns stuff comes to mind. But by and large it's horrid stuff with no meaning, and what little meaning there may be is often....odd.

[BrokenPaw]

heavy metel and punk is fast, vicious music. if the lyrics don't match, it just don't work for me, and jesus loves me just doesn't seem right for 3 chords of screaming bloody murder.

Sacred Warrior's "Wicked Generation" album is a story, similar in concept to Queensrÿche's "Operation Mindcrime", but (if I recall correctly -- it's been well over a decade since I've heard it) deals with a sexually-abused teen girl's running away and falling into prostitution, and her eventual redemption through Christ. 

Seventh Angel's song "I of the Needle" deals with addiction, and the suboptimality thereof.

Songs don't have to me saccharine "Jesus loves me" songs in order to be Christian (and meaningfully so).  Some people's paths have taken them to a darker place, and they need music that travels in darker places to find them and bring them out.

The Choir's "Chase the Kangaroo" is a great album (not heavy metal or anything like that, but Christian music that's not a smarm-fest).  I'm no longer Christian, but that album is still in my playlist because the music and the ideas behind it still hold value to me.

[BlueStarLizzard]

i had a camp consoler try to hook me on C punk at one point. i listined to a bunch of diffrent bands for severel days. i was not impressed.

[Brad Johnson]

I like Smokey Mountain Rattlesnake Retreat (and the Dooright Family)

Play thuh peeyanner Mama!

Brad

[Hawkmoon]

I dislike the move away from hymnals in churches.  Nobody sings parts anymore; not even on traditional Christmas carols.  So I bellow out the bass part from memory.

Parts?

Is that why those books full of songs have all them extry notes under the notes we actually sing? THOSE parts?

It's tough to sing the bass line when all the loud MEN on both sides of you are signing the soprano line, two or three octaves lower than their wives/girlfriends. It's even tougher when you don't really know how to read music.

[BlueStarLizzard]

Parts?

Is that why those books full of songs have all them extry notes under the notes we actually sing? THOSE parts?

It's tough to sing the bass line when all the loud MEN on both sides of you are signing the soprano line, two or three octaves lower than their wives/girlfriends. It's even tougher when you don't really know how to read music.

reintroduce Sacred Harp.

[makattak]

Parts?

Is that why those books full of songs have all them extry notes under the notes we actually sing? THOSE parts?

It's tough to sing the bass line when all the loud MEN on both sides of you are signing the soprano line, two or three octaves lower than their wives/girlfriends. It's even tougher when you don't really know how to read music.

I think the problem is not a lack of hymnals. I've heard a lack of parts sung in church LONG before the hymnals were done away with. (I read music and will sing a part even without it.)

I believe the disappearance of the hymnals is a symptom, not a cause. Decry the lack of musical education in this country. (Do you know how FEW people can read music?)

[Perd Hapley]

I can't read music to save my life. What I wonder about is whether people can read the lyrics to hymnal music.

[230RN]

Denver has a classical station, KVOD, 88.1, but for the past three years ever since one particular announcer came on board, they've been playing "sacred music" up the ying-yang.  Yeah, yeah, church music is important in the history of music, but for cryin' out loud, a 3-hour stretch of church music on sunday from 7 to 10 AM is too much.  And they slip it in here and there, too.

I figure if I wanted to hear "sacred music" on sunday I'd go to church for an hour's service and that would be that.

That station is dead to me from 7-10 AM sundays.

And the range doesn't open 'till 10AM.

Phooey.

[Perd Hapley]

a 3-hour stretch of church music on sunday from 7 to 10 AM is too much.

   For one thing, there's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of it, and it sounds pretty much like the rest of the music on a classical station, so what's the problem?

Besides, it's only three hours out of the week.  You absolutely have to have non-churchy classical for those three hours? 

[BlueStarLizzard]

i prefer old time and bluegrass gosple rather then classical, although i do like hearing good organ music and choral works.

[sanglant]

I can't read music to save my life. What I wonder about is whether people can read the lyrics to hymnal music.

do you want to learn how? i think i have some good bookmarks,(free lesson) if you want i'll post them. if you just want to know which key a song or word is in, it's not that involved. i mean, if i can...

[Perd Hapley]

Sanglant, I'm doing good if I can distinguish the lower note from the higher one.  Seriously.    I might wish to learn someday, but for now, I just sing along, or harmonize by ear, and try to go higher or lower as the notes dip higher or lower on the staff.

[sanglant]

just the basics in case you get bored some day, and want to work on it.

http://fastpianolessons.com/blog/reading-music-learning-note-names/
http://www.theviolincase.com/flashcards/

on the treble staff, you have the lines. Every Good Boy Does Fine, and the spaces, F A C E. counting a both it's, E F G A B C D E. see it's really simple if your not trying to do it fast enough to play or sing. ledger lines above or bellow the staff continue the same pattern. sharps and flats are the between A and B, C and D, D and E, F and G, G and A.

oh, this is what i picked up when i noticed myself going dumb(er), i am to where i can play some simple songs. or wake the dead. a 16watt amp is a lot louder than you would think.

[230RN]

  For one thing, there's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of it(A), and it sounds pretty much like the rest of the music on a classical station(B), so what's the problem?(D)

Besides, it's only three hours out of the week.  You absolutely have to have non-churchy classical for those three hours? (C)

A.  True.  Too much, especially vocal, and most especially Gregorian chant.  Feh.
B.  No, it don't.
C.  Yes
D.  See A, B, and C

Feh.

Terry, 230RN

[Perd Hapley]

I really doubt it's actual Gregorian chant, but if so you are a lucky dog.  I'm sorry you don't like choral music. You should learn to appreciate it.