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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on February 28, 2011, 03:38:32 PM
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As well as hijacking a Greek ship. They're quite busy. I certainly hope the situation involving the children ends well for the hostages.
I think this is the first hijacking that involves children? I wonder if it will make the world get more serious about ending this...
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/28/somali-pirates-capture-danish-ship-seven-board/
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Article says they have 660 hostages and 30+ vessels. Here's an idea. Start sinking the captured ships. Don't pay a ransom, just blow them up. Paying ransom to pirates is only going to enable the situation.
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"Children" = ages 12-16, with no stated gender.
If girls, I suspect they're going to be in for a hellish time. Parents likely to be killed very quickly due to reaction from treatment of children.
If they sail quickly enough, they may not even try for ransom. Just sell 'em to some Saudi prince or Arab sheik as harem fodder on the black market.
I'm 100% in support of the Navy parking a pair of light-duty carriers about 100 miles off the Somali coast with appropriate support craft, and aggressively patrolling the sea lanes by air/helicopter. This type of trouble spreads if left unchecked. We don't need it in the south Pacific or the Caribbean.
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I'm getting to the point where they need to just blockade the entire coastline and destroy any boat they see.
I would say they need to send in a Marine Amphibious group, but I doubt they would do that.
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I'm getting to the point where they need to just blockade the entire coastline and destroy any boat they see.
I would say they need to send in a Marine Amphibious group, but I doubt they would do that.
We chased pirates on an L-class while our MEU was ashore in Iraq.
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I've realized that the Piracy endemic along the African coast is really just a symptom of the disease that is Western Politics.
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:mad: [ar15]
Any word on what part of the "Indian Ocean" these Danes were sailing in?
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:mad: [ar15]
Any word on what part of the "Indian Ocean" these Danes were sailing in?
"Outside Somalia" I read, but they wrote that about that ship that was taken when it was a 1000 miles from Somalia...so for all we know, they might've been close to India.
I've realized that the Piracy endemic along the African coast is really just a symptom of the disease that is Western Politics.
Politicians no longer have the guts to order captains to simply hang or shoot pirates, or to tell the Marines to go in and not leave until the enemy has been thoroughly curb-stomped to death.
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Pirates need some serious [ar15] kind of attention, which is all i'll say about that.
But what I can't figure out is why the hell do pleasure craft folk keep sailing over in that area. I mean, really, who thinks 'oh, a sail over near somilia sounds like a dandy idea' ? :facepalm:
I wound understand some like jamis, which would result in headlines 'somilian pirates killed in the attempt to hijack a yahct' but tripping out for a sail in that area, and they don't see it coming? Really?
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Pirates need some serious [ar15] kind of attention, which is all i'll say about that.
But what I can't figure out is why the hell do pleasure craft folk keep sailing over in that area. I mean, really, who thinks 'oh, a sail over near somilia sounds like a dandy idea' ? :facepalm:
I wound understand some like jamis, which would result in headlines 'somilian pirates killed in the attempt to hijack a yahct' but tripping out for a sail in that area, and they don't see it coming? Really?
They weren't necessarily close - the four hostages who got killed a week ago? Their boat was taken about 1000 miles from Somalia - they were closer to bloody India than they were to Somalia, if the map is correct...
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Russians handcuff the pirates to the vessel after they remove the hostages and then blow up the vessel and sink it. We stand by and watch the pirates murder four good people and then arrest the pirates. Something wrong with our response.
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But what I can't figure out is why the hell do pleasure craft folk keep sailing over in that area. I mean, really, who thinks 'oh, a sail over near somilia sounds like a dandy idea' ? :facepalm:
Thats kink of like putting on the non pc version of this sign and taking a walk through (insert name of blighted inner city here)
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F_ZAECHDaEk4g%2FSy_vVAJJbKI%2FAAAAAAAAHy8%2F-VxKvhuLbkQ%2Fs1600%2Fimage_document_large_featured_borderless-196x300.jpg&hash=ca4a3f07520b201d95af1d94e1e70ebf6ea38b23)
And yes I think if the kids get anything other than handed back over this might prove interesting.
Now you have the mommy club pissed.
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As well as hijacking a Greek ship. They're quite busy. I certainly hope the situation involving the children ends well for the hostages badly for the pirates.
FTFY for change of emphasis
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i model my preferred response to things like this after that paragon of restraint ghenghis khan them their families and their village cease to exist. repeat as needed. its not pc but it works
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From the papers over here: The kids are 2 boys, 1 girl.
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Use satellite and Predator resources to track the mother ship back to it's home port.....then MOAB the port into rubble.....sends a message that crosses the language barrier.....
I've realized that the Piracy endemic along the African coast is really just a symptom of the disease that is Western Politics.
So true..... :facepalm:
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From the papers over here: The kids are 2 boys, 1 girl.
Ah... my heart just sank.
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They weren't necessarily close - the four hostages who got killed a week ago? Their boat was taken about 1000 miles from Somalia - they were closer to bloody India than they were to Somalia, if the map is correct...
Exactly; it's like saying that people in Green Bay should expect random attacks from the criminals in Trenton NJ, or that our Austin residents should worry because of the crime rate in El Paso.
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Exactly; it's like saying that people in Green Bay should expect random attacks from the criminals in Trenton NJ, or that our Austin residents should worry because of the crime rate in El Paso.
They said the folks that got snatched last week where almost exactly in the same spot as another ship that got jacked.
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I was also thinking that our patrol planes probably see the pirates but can't fire on them.
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I was also thinking that our patrol planes probably see the pirates but can't fire on them.
Who's going to turn them in? The pirates? Post-mission. "Ordnance jettisoned due to in-flight emergency."
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Exactly how do the recon planes tell which ships and boats are the pirate ships and boats? It's kinda hard to reach down and flip a tarp over to see whats underneath when you are zipping along at 1000' AGL.
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The cockroach infested skiffs I saw didn't look like a pleasure yacht. Good job for a UAV, just buzz the suspect boat until they fire at the drone. ID confirmed.
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The cockroach infested skiffs I saw didn't look like a pleasure yacht. Good job for a UAV, just buzz the suspect boat until they fire at the drone. ID confirmed.
And unfortunately a goodly many of the genuine fishing dhows look like nothing more than a cockroach infested skiff as well. A couple Somali's in a dingy with a few AK's does not a pirate skiff make. All that means is they are prudent fishermen (no sensible person put-puts around the Gulf of Aden unarmed). You need to be able to get close enough to identify key pirate gear (boarding devices for instance) and check to see if the crew-to-fishing-gear ratio is askew. This can not be readily done from the air short of hovering 10 feet over their heads in a chopper which leads to another problem: Blackhawk Down v2.0 anybody?
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Had we (and by we I mean the civilized world) stomped on these roaches earlier we wouldn't have this problem. Now the butcher's bill is going to be much higher than what it could have been. What was it that dead German guy said about giving your enemy time ??
Sadly, we may have to take the same approach that the Israelis do with hostages. That they are as good as dead.
Those that take the hostages are also as good as dead.
We don't need to occupy the damn country, but we've got satellites and UAV's and Aircraft and billions being spent on Defense. Surely we know where these scumbags are basing out of. I see nothing wrong with sending in the Marines, with overwhelming fire support, to "clean out these pest holes".
Lather, Rinse, Repeat as needed...
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We don't need to occupy the damn country, but we've got satellites and UAV's and Aircraft and billions being spent on Defense. Surely we know where these scumbags are basing out of. I see nothing wrong with sending in the Marines, with overwhelming fire support, to "clean out these pest holes".
Minor problem: I can't figure out a way to make "crapholes of Somalia" scan well in the Marine Hymn.
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Minor problem: I can't figure out a way to make "crapholes of Somalia" scan well in the Marine Hymn.
We can start a new verse.
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I no longer have any sympathy for anyone that gets caught by pirates over there. The nations of the world knows what goes on there, yet they do nothing about it. Shipping companies know yet very few have armed up to repel attackers. Private boat owners know yet they don't take precautions themselves and insist on traveling through that craphole.
Nope...... Piss on them. I'm all out of sympathy. The way you deal with pirates is to kill every one of them you see and destroy their boats. Until that happens pirates will continue doing what pirates do.
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Who's going to turn them in? The pirates? Post-mission. "Ordnance jettisoned due to in-flight emergency."
Guy I know on the Russian-speaking side of the Internet has served in the Russian military as a military prosecutor immediately during, and after the fall of the USSR. They had to deal with various kinds of lawless tribal idiots. At one point, a group of people in one of the former Republics had captured a tourist resort - bear in mind this was in the early 90s - and taken people there hostage. VDV soldiers were brought in, the jackwagons captured, hostages freed...
His relation to this? Dealing with a report from the VDV officer on how the captured terrorists "violated air travel safety regulations by leaving military aircraft during flight."
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Exactly how do the recon planes tell which ships and boats are the pirate ships and boats? It's kinda hard to reach down and flip a tarp over to see whats underneath when you are zipping along at 1000' AGL.
The pirate flag.
Duh.
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I no longer have any sympathy for anyone that gets caught by pirates over there. The nations of the world knows what goes on there, yet they do nothing about it. Shipping companies know yet very few have armed up to repel attackers. Private boat owners know yet they don't take precautions themselves and insist on traveling through that craphole.
I completely agree regarding shipping companies and their perplexing refusal to arm their crews or send along some professionals to ward off boardings.
I would completely agree regarding private boaters except for what has been mentioned earlier. If this last group was really taken 1000 miles from the center of pirate activity, it would be like someone going sailing off the coast of Oregon and being taken hostage by Mexican pirates.
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I've realized that the Piracy endemic along the African coast is really just a symptom of the disease that is Western Politics.
Ayup.
Minor problem: I can't figure out a way to make "crapholes of Somalia" scan well in the Marine Hymn.
"From the halls of Montezuma, to the ass of Africa..."
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we need to bring back naval mines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_mine). just mine the known ports, and wait. [ar15]
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His relation to this? Dealing with a report from the VDV officer on how the captured terrorists "violated air travel safety regulations by leaving military aircraft during flight."
=D =D =D
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Isn't the main issue of having arms at sea the fact that you can't go to port anywhere?
Why can't someone start a service where hired guns board your ship before you enter the pirate area, and get off again when you are relatively safe?
A large ship positioned at each end of the danger zone with smaller boats to shuttle goonsquads to and from merchant vessels in need of protection (which presumably are always going in both directions). As long as nobody goes ashore or leaves international waters with weapons, what's the problem? Charge by ship size and level of protection desired. Pay someone to bring supplies to your mother ships. Or every once in a while, accept payment in fuel and food.
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See? That /\ is where you went wrong.
Using logic and reason are not permitted when attempting to resolve an international problem.
Pretty sure it's in the UN Charter.
stay safe.
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the un has charter? that splans a lot. [tinfoil]
sorry, couldn't let a cableco joke go. :angel:
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This is just a function of will. The entire western world is governed by castrated wimps. Eventually we will be in a full on world war, nukes, chem, bio, the works, because the pussies in charge ( PIS) refused to take responsibility when the problems confronting them were solvable with conventional means.
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This is just a function of will. The entire western world is governed by castrated wimps. Eventually we will be in a full on world war, nukes, chem, bio, the works, because the pussies in charge ( PIS) refused to take responsibility when the problems confronting them were solvable with conventional means.
I always wondered how people in the time prior to WWII couldn't see that their weakness and appeasement was just pushing the world closer and closer to war.
Now I see that it wasn't that no one could see that, it was just that not enough could see that.
And here we are again as those who have failed to learn from history are now dooming the rest of us to repeat it as well. (Thank you, American teachers, specifically.)
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"PIS" :laugh:
Nominated for official use as a new board acronym.
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"PIS" :laugh:
Nominated for official use as a new board acronym.
I second the motion.
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I second the motion.
Before we vote could we double check our choice of letters? I'm thinking we might want "PISC"
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Before we vote could we double check our choice of letters? I'm thinking we might want "PISC"
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Aye
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Before we vote could we double check our choice of letters? I'm thinking we might want "PISC"
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There's nothing wrong with an acronym that has a slight French accent ... and a lisp.
"People In Sharge."
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There's nothing wrong with an acronym that has a slight French accent ... and a lisp.
"People In Sharge."
Okays Sid.
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The problem we have is not that we don't do maritime surveillance. Matter of fact we do it real good. Our problem is lack of political will. Both the current president and former president had the same lacking. Now the question is "Why?" One of the busiest shipping lanes on the planet and civilization can't seem to muster the political will to deal with it. Again, "Why?"
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The problem we have is not that we don't do maritime surveillance. Matter of fact we do it real good. Our problem is lack of political will. Both the current president and former president had the same lacking. Now the question is "Why?" One of the busiest shipping lanes on the planet and civilization can't seem to muster the political will to deal with it. Again, "Why?"
Because we have PIC.
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The problem we have is not that we don't do maritime surveillance. Matter of fact we do it real good.
The question may be "how do the pirates do it so good?" Do they have intel, or are they either just lucky, or so many they cover the ocean like fleas on a dog?
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No, the sheep are just plain scared.
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Isn't the main issue of having arms at sea the fact that you can't go to port anywhere?
Weren't shotguns fairly common on private seagoing vessels at one time, and more or less ignored as long as they stay on the boat while in port?
I was just thinking; my 835 with a modified choke on a 28" ported barrel puts 4 pellets of an 18 pellet 3.5" magnum 00 load on an IDPA target at 100yds with enough force to punch 1" into pine. Targets flanking that one get 2-3 pellets each, and the gun holds 4+1 of those without an extension. Three of those rapid firing from concealment when the pirates are ~75 yards out might not be a major bloodbath, but it should dramatically reduce their combat effectiveness. (at least to the point of making it hard to aim an RPG - concealment and suppressive shotgun fire makes aimed return fire with rifles difficult) Add in one with a slug barrel aiming for their waterline when they're days from a friendly port and you ought to be able to convince them to look for easier pickings.
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More news. If accurate, I revise my statement about the family not having any blame. According to the article, their log states that they knew the danger but believed they would be protected by the UN patrols.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/02/pirated-danish-yacht-family-anchor-near-somalia/?test=latestnews
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More news. If accurate, I revise my statement about the family not having any blame. According to the article, their log states that they knew the danger but believed they would be protected by the UN patrols.
I seem to recall that not that long ago, the danger zone was within about 60 miles of the Somali coast. Then it was 150. Then anywhere in the Gulf of Aden. Will they have to start taking ships along the Hudson before people stop blaming the victims?
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I seem to recall that not that long ago, the danger zone was within about 60 miles of the Somali coast. Then it was 150. Then anywhere in the Gulf of Aden. Will they have to start taking ships along the Hudson before people stop blaming the victims?
If you see my previous posts in this thread, I generally don't blame the victim, but in this case, if information is accurate, I question their situational awareness.
Revdisk said it best in a thread on another subject. A woman in a bikini stuffed full of hundred dollar bills should be able to walk anywhere in the world unmolested. The prudent woman knows that though she should be able to, there are some areas where it's just not a good idea.
I am all for extreme lethal force against the pirate fleet. Until international forces choose to do that, individuals need to make prudent decisions, whether it means not going to an area or making the decision to break laws and go to an area armed in order to protect themselves.
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Weren't shotguns fairly common on private seagoing vessels at one time, and more or less ignored as long as they stay on the boat while in port?
I was just thinking; my 835 with a modified choke on a 28" ported barrel puts 4 pellets of an 18 pellet 3.5" magnum 00 load on an IDPA target at 100yds with enough force to punch 1" into pine. Targets flanking that one get 2-3 pellets each, and the gun holds 4+1 of those without an extension. Three of those rapid firing from concealment when the pirates are ~75 yards out might not be a major bloodbath, but it should dramatically reduce their combat effectiveness. (at least to the point of making it hard to aim an RPG - concealment and suppressive shotgun fire makes aimed return fire with rifles difficult) Add in one with a slug barrel aiming for their waterline when they're days from a friendly port and you ought to be able to convince them to look for easier pickings.
That RPG can hit you from 600+ yards away.
The AK's can hit you from 400+ yards away.
Your shotgun is worthless even against their fiberglass hull (let alone if it's steel or aluminum) past 200 yards.
The drop of a slug is so severe at 200+ yards that you couldn't put a slug within 3 feet of the waterline of a vessel. You'd have more luck with an old black powder mortar or cannon.
To fend of pirates, you need at minimum, a belt fed .30 caliber and the skill to use it to 500 yards minimum. Ideally, to 900+ yards and outside of RPG distance. At that distance, bullets will be more "falling" and less "cruising" through the air. You're more likely to pierce the bottom of the boat than the waterline of the hull. 147gr .308 bullets drop about 850 inches from the muzzle at 1000 yards. More than 70 feet. With a 200 yard zero, you have to aim 790 inches above the target. And it's gonna drop from 2750fps at the muzzle to a mere 750fps at 1000 yards. That's with a 147gr FMJ .308 bullet with sectional density of 0.221.
The larger your ship is, the better the odds are in favor of the pirates. RPG accuracy matters less when your ship is 100 yards long and 20 yards tall at the water line. Their boats are faster and more maneuverable than yours, so you can't outrun them. You then have to carry more ammo to fend them off longer while you await response to your emergency SOS radio call.
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I seem to recall that not that long ago, the danger zone was within about 60 miles of the Somali coast. Then it was 150. Then anywhere in the Gulf of Aden. Will they have to start taking ships along the Hudson before people stop blaming the victims?
Yes, this is a pertinent point- IIRC, the pirates we were engaged against some 200 years ago were based in North Africa, but their depredations extended far beyond the Med. If their operations incur no cost, we can expect them to travel as needed, especially as the idiots paying ransom are funding better boats, better, weapons, better provisioning , better intel aqnd better bribery.
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That RPG can hit you from 600+ yards away.
The AK's can hit you from 400+ yards away.
If they just want to trash the ship and kill potential hostages, you're screwed anyway. Let them get within 50-75 yards without resistance, and then open up on them without warning or mercy.
At any rate, it beats the hell out of being taken prisoner and executed without a fight.
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Why hasn't Blackwater or another private company jumped on this?
I see a huge market for them with the tankers and companies that pay out millions for ransom
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And that's another thing: where are those millions of dollars going? There has to be someone at the top, who probably wouldn't be that hard to convince to stop.
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Exactly; it's like saying that people in Green Bay should expect random attacks from the criminals in Trenton NJ, or that our Austin residents should worry because of the crime rate in El Paso.
Except that some of us living in the greater Austin area aren't defenseless. ;)
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WRT RPG7 Phits:
RPG7 vs 5m x 2.5m tgt moving at 9mph
(From Wikipedia and/or other open sources)
Range (m) Phit
50 100%
100 96%
200 51%
300 22%
400 9%
500 4%
This was done with US Army infantry personnel.
Toss in sea conditions, a moving pirate vessel, & Somali pirate gunnery, and I think an RPG7 is a 200m weapon against any of the usual non-commercial vessels.
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That RPG can hit you from 600+ yards away.
Maybe in theory. The Russian Army junior officer's manual advises not setting engagement ranges for RPG gunners beyond about 400 yards, and preferably lower.
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As for sea conditions, the RPG-7 is affected by crosswinds.
Here's footage of Russian infantry shooting the RPG-7 in heavy wind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKxEbmPsTO0
You can easily them missing the target due to the crosswind.
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This just in.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/03/armed-guards-retake-dutch-boat-somali-pirates/?test=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/03/armed-guards-retake-dutch-boat-somali-pirates/?test=latestnews)
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awesome news!
I wonder what the guards were armed with / arrived in
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Sadly, we may have to take the same approach that the Israelis do with hostages. That they are as good as dead.
I demand to be acquainted with these magical Israelis. Do they come from the same Israel where every man, woman, and child is armed to the teeth and airport security is extremely tough, while completely non-invasive?
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I demand to be acquainted with these magical Israelis. Do they come from the same Israel where every man, woman, and child is armed to the teeth and airport security is extremely tough, while completely non-invasive?
Duh, Micro. That's the other Israel. The one with kosher unicorns.
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Duh, Micro. That's the other Israel. The one with kosher bacon.
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=D
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i don't have a lake to test this on, so i'll ask. won't slugs skip? you know like a rock. maybe that would take balls instead of slugs. might have to go 8GA to have enough mass.
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I demand to be acquainted with these magical Israelis. Do they come from the same Israel where every man, woman, and child is armed to the teeth and airport security is extremely tough, while completely non-invasive?
IIRC, that is the attitude of the Israeli .gov. That's one reason why Israeli's aren't taken hostage very often. The Israeli .gov presumes that the hostages will be killed either before or possibly during th rescue attempt.
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The Israeli .gov presumes that the hostages will be killed either before or possibly during th rescue attempt.
Seems a bit pessimistic, considering their relatively successful experience at Entebbe.
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IIRC, that is the attitude of the Israeli .gov. That's one reason why Israeli's aren't taken hostage very often. The Israeli .gov presumes that the hostages will be killed either before or possibly during th rescue attempt.
This is demonstrably not true. The Israeli government negotiates with terrorists, and willingly trades hundreds of terrorist inmates to be released in exchange for hostages or even their bodies.
For exaple:
On 30 September 2009, Israel announced that it would release twenty female Palestinian detainees and prisoners in exchange for a video proving Shalit was still alive.
The trade took place successfully on 2 October. 19 of the 20 Palestinian captives were released; the last one was released one day later. The video, the only contact from Shalit other than three letters written by him and an audio tape released in June 2007, was released to the public at around 4:00 in the afternoon on Israeli television.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit#Negotiations_for_release
Hezbollah released the remains of two captured Israeli soldiers Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev,[1] in exchange for Palestine Liberation Front militant Samir Kuntar, who was convicted of murder in Israel, four Hezbollah militants, and bodies of about 200 other Lebanese and Palestinian militants captured by Israel.[2] The Prime Minister of Israel, Ehud Olmert, stated that Israel agreed to swap five prisoners with Hezbollah to provide the bodies of two Israeli soldiers captured in 2006.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Israel-Hezbollah_prisoner_swap
In this latter case it is notable that military rabbis refused to formally pronounce the men dead in absence of bodies, and Hezbullah refused to admit they were dead until the day of the handover. People were still holding out hope when the coffins crossed the border.
There was also this individual:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elhanan_Tannenbaum#Prisoner_exchange
In short, Israel has made a history not merely negotiating with terrorists, but haggling shamefully with them and acceding to their obscene demands.
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Other examples of this behavior:
As part of the agreement, Israel released 1,150 security prisoners held in Israeli prisons in exchange for three Israeli prisoners (Yosef Grof, Nissim Salem, Hezi Shai) captured during the First Lebanon War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jibril_Agreement
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IIRC, that is the attitude of the Israeli .gov. That's one reason why Israeli's aren't taken hostage very often. The Israeli .gov presumes that the hostages will be killed either before or possibly during th rescue attempt.
I think I heard that exact same thing at a gun show or something. :-*
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Rig out a handful of Q ships, to include pleasure yachts, and throw the pirates some surprise parties.
:lol:
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Rig out a handful of Q ships, to include pleasure yachts, and throw the pirates some surprise parties.
I was thinking someone should buy up derelict yachts and small submarines; clean up the yachts on the outside and rig them with explosives to make something along the lines of giant seagoing claymore mines. Sail them out to the right area and evac to the submarine. Detonate when the pirates are alongside.
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I was thinking someone should buy up derelict yachts and small submarines; clean up the yachts on the outside and rig them with explosives to make something along the lines of giant seagoing claymore mines. Sail them out to the right area and evac to the submarine. Detonate when the pirates are alongside.
Ooooh, I like how you're thinking =D.
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The Israelis don't have problems with ships being taken because they don't have any (http://www.indexmundi.com/israel/merchant_marine.html).
You could probably borrow one of these (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1212013/Revealed-The-ghost-fleet-recession-anchored-just-east-Singapore.html) ships and nobody would notice.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfiHHrBqRVA&feature=related
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I was thinking someone should buy up derelict yachts and small submarines; clean up the yachts on the outside and rig them with explosives to make something along the lines of giant seagoing claymore mines. Sail them out to the right area and evac to the submarine. Detonate when the pirates are alongside.
That is just awesome
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I was thinking someone should buy up derelict yachts and small submarines; clean up the yachts on the outside and rig them with explosives to make something along the lines of giant seagoing claymore mines. Sail them out to the right area and evac to the submarine. Detonate when the pirates are alongside.
Why man them at all?
Remote control via sat phone. Load them to the gills with fuel and some explosives. Maybe a blow-up doll or four we "borrow" from JamisJockey.
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Why man them at all?
Remote control via sat phone. Load them to the gills with fuel and some explosives. Maybe a blow-up doll or four we "borrow" from JamisJockey.
Predator overwatch + fuel/air mix = an entertaining way to hunt over bait..... :cool:
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Why man them at all?
Just in case; one or two man subs outfitted to ram small craft below the waterline were pretty much the origin of submarine warfare, and they can still be very effective against unarmored boats.
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I was thinking someone should buy up derelict yachts and small submarines; clean up the yachts on the outside and rig them with explosives to make something along the lines of giant seagoing claymore mines. Sail them out to the right area and evac to the submarine. Detonate when the pirates are alongside.
Where's the fun in that? Now, Q-ships would be cool.
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Where's the fun in that?
Because it involves BLOWING STUFF UP!!!!!!! =D =D =D =D
Sheesh....just turn in your man card at the front desk.... :facepalm:
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Because it involves BLOWING STUFF UP!!!!!!! =D =D =D =D
Yeah, from a distance by pushing a button. Again, where is the fun in that?
Using guns to shoot holes in their little pirate boat to let in the wet stuff so they get an impromptu swimming lesson taught by sharks is moar funner.
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Yeah, but with the Q ships you get to see their reaction at suddenly realizing they are staring half a dozen five inch guns in the muzzle... =D
[popcorn] I'd pay to see that [popcorn]
Hell, grab the rights, finance the expedition and then put it up on pay-per-view... >:D
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this space for rent
actually, I posted something here and then thought better of it
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Just in case; one or two man subs outfitted to ram small craft below the waterline were pretty much the origin of submarine warfare, and they can still be very effective against unarmored boats.
Now that I think about it, this would be a better primary tactic against the smaller pirate craft; no need to waste the bait if you can just hole their boat and leave them swimming. Save the yacht for going after their mother ships.
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Yeah, but with the Q ships you get to see their reaction at suddenly realizing they are staring half a dozen five inch guns in the muzzle... =D
[popcorn] I'd pay to see that [popcorn]
Hell, grab the rights, finance the expedition and then put it up on pay-per-view... >:D
Market it to The History Channel. Down with Whale Wars, in with Pirate Pursuit.
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don't get rid of whale wars, have "whale wars - comeuppance" =D or "whale wars - karma"