Pirates Hijack Sailboat with Children on Board

[KD5NRH]

We don't need to occupy the damn country, but we've got satellites and UAV's and Aircraft and billions being spent on Defense.  Surely we know where these scumbags are basing out of.   I see nothing wrong with sending in the Marines, with overwhelming fire support, to "clean out these pest holes".

Minor problem:  I can't figure out a way to make "crapholes of Somalia" scan well in the Marine Hymn.

[Scout26]

Minor problem:  I can't figure out a way to make "crapholes of Somalia" scan well in the Marine Hymn.

We can start a new verse.

[stevelyn]

I no longer have any sympathy for anyone that gets caught by pirates over there. The nations of the world knows what goes on there, yet they do nothing about it. Shipping companies know yet very few have armed up to repel attackers. Private boat owners know yet they don't take precautions themselves and insist on traveling through that craphole.

Nope...... Piss on them. I'm all out of sympathy. The way you deal with pirates is to kill every one of them you see and destroy their boats. Until that happens pirates will continue doing what pirates do.

[MicroBalrog]

Who's going to turn them in? The pirates? Post-mission. "Ordnance jettisoned due to in-flight emergency."

Guy I know on the Russian-speaking side of the Internet has served in the Russian military as a military prosecutor immediately during, and after the fall of the USSR. They had to deal with various kinds of lawless tribal idiots. At one point, a group of people in one of the former Republics had captured a tourist resort  - bear in mind this was in the early 90s - and taken people there hostage. VDV soldiers were brought in, the jackwagons captured, hostages freed...

His relation to this? Dealing with a report from the VDV officer on how the captured terrorists "violated air travel safety regulations by leaving military aircraft during flight."

[CNYCacher]

Exactly how do the recon planes tell which ships and boats are the pirate ships and boats? It's kinda hard to reach down and flip a tarp over to see whats underneath when you are zipping along at 1000' AGL.

The pirate flag.

Duh.

[Ben]

I no longer have any sympathy for anyone that gets caught by pirates over there. The nations of the world knows what goes on there, yet they do nothing about it. Shipping companies know yet very few have armed up to repel attackers. Private boat owners know yet they don't take precautions themselves and insist on traveling through that craphole.

I completely agree regarding shipping companies and their perplexing refusal to arm their crews or send along some professionals to ward off boardings.

I would completely agree regarding private boaters except for what has been mentioned earlier. If this last group was really taken 1000 miles from the center of pirate activity, it would be like someone going sailing off the coast of Oregon and being taken hostage by Mexican pirates.

[roo_ster]

I've realized that the Piracy endemic along the African coast is really just a symptom of the disease that is Western Politics. 

Ayup.

Minor problem:  I can't figure out a way to make "crapholes of Somalia" scan well in the Marine Hymn.

"From the halls of Montezuma, to the ass of Africa..."

[sanglant]

we need to bring back naval mines. just mine the known ports, and wait.

[Nightfall]

His relation to this? Dealing with a report from the VDV officer on how the captured terrorists "violated air travel safety regulations by leaving military aircraft during flight."

 

[CNYCacher]

Isn't the main issue of having arms at sea the fact that you can't go to port anywhere?

Why can't someone start a service where hired guns board your ship before you enter the pirate area, and get off again when you are relatively safe?

A large ship positioned at each end of the danger zone with smaller boats to shuttle goonsquads to and from merchant vessels in need of protection (which presumably are always going in both directions).  As long as nobody goes ashore or leaves international waters with weapons, what's the problem?  Charge by ship size and level of protection desired.  Pay someone to bring supplies to your mother ships.  Or every once in a while, accept payment in fuel and food.

[vaskidmark]

See?  That /\ is where you went wrong.

Using logic and reason are not permitted when attempting to resolve an international problem.

Pretty sure it's in the UN Charter.

stay safe.

[sanglant]

the un has charter? that splans a lot.





sorry, couldn't let a cableco joke go.

[tokugawa]

This is just a function of will.  The entire western world is governed by castrated wimps.  Eventually we will be in a full on world war, nukes, chem, bio, the works, because the pussies in charge  (  PIS)  refused to take responsibility when the problems confronting them were solvable with conventional means.
 
 

[makattak]

This is just a function of will.  The entire western world is governed by castrated wimps.  Eventually we will be in a full on world war, nukes, chem, bio, the works, because the pussies in charge  (  PIS)  refused to take responsibility when the problems confronting them were solvable with conventional means.
 

I always wondered how people in the time prior to WWII couldn't see that their weakness and appeasement was just pushing the world closer and closer to war.

Now I see that it wasn't that no one could see that, it was just that not enough could see that.

And here we are again as those who have failed to learn from history are now dooming the rest of us to repeat it as well. (Thank you, American teachers, specifically.)

[AJ Dual]

"PIS" 

Nominated for official use as a new board acronym.

[BlueStarLizzard]

"PIS" 

Nominated for official use as a new board acronym.

I second the motion.

[Doggy Daddy]

I second the motion.

Before we vote could we double check our choice of letters?  I'm thinking we might want "PISC"

DD

[BlueStarLizzard]

Before we vote could we double check our choice of letters?  I'm thinking we might want "PISC"

DD

Aye

[Hawkmoon]

Before we vote could we double check our choice of letters?  I'm thinking we might want "PISC"

DD

There's nothing wrong with an acronym that has a slight French accent ... and a lisp.

"People In Sharge."

[Boomhauer]

There's nothing wrong with an acronym that has a slight French accent ... and a lisp.

"People In Sharge."

Okays Sid.

[Waitone]

The problem we have is not that we don't do maritime surveillance.  Matter of fact we do it real good.  Our problem is lack of political will.  Both the current president and former president had the same lacking.  Now the question is "Why?"  One of the busiest shipping lanes on the planet and civilization can't seem to muster the political will to deal with it.  Again, "Why?"   

[Doggy Daddy]

The problem we have is not that we don't do maritime surveillance.  Matter of fact we do it real good.  Our problem is lack of political will.  Both the current president and former president had the same lacking.  Now the question is "Why?"  One of the busiest shipping lanes on the planet and civilization can't seem to muster the political will to deal with it.  Again, "Why?"   

Because we have PIC.

DD

[tokugawa]

The problem we have is not that we don't do maritime surveillance.  Matter of fact we do it real good.    

 The question may be "how do the pirates do it so good?"    Do they have intel, or are they either just lucky, or so many they cover the ocean like fleas on a dog?

[Jamie B]

No, the sheep are just plain scared.

[KD5NRH]

Isn't the main issue of having arms at sea the fact that you can't go to port anywhere?

Weren't shotguns fairly common on private seagoing vessels at one time, and more or less ignored as long as they stay on the boat while in port?

I was just thinking; my 835 with a modified choke on a 28" ported barrel puts 4 pellets of an 18 pellet 3.5" magnum 00 load on an IDPA target at 100yds with enough force to punch 1" into pine.  Targets flanking that one get 2-3 pellets each, and the gun holds 4+1 of those without an extension.  Three of those rapid firing from concealment when the pirates are ~75 yards out might not be a major bloodbath, but it should dramatically reduce their combat effectiveness. (at least to the point of making it hard to aim an RPG - concealment and suppressive shotgun fire makes aimed return fire with rifles difficult) Add in one with a slug barrel aiming for their waterline when they're days from a friendly port and you ought to be able to convince them to look for easier pickings.