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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MechAg94 on May 28, 2013, 11:59:27 AM
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http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/05/22/meet-boeings-phantom-badger-light-tactical-vehicle/?intcmp=obnetwork
Saw this link and all I could think of was "Did we just basically return to the original Jeep?"
I was also curious if the Osprey is big enough to carry the up armored version since that will be requried as soon as one gets hit by a bomb.
Is "mission-specific modules" the current buzz word/catch phrase at the Pentagon? I see that phrase quite a bit related to just about every new military item.
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4 wheel steering and race inspired suspension?
That ain't no Willys.
It ain't quite this...
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But it's a long ways from this:
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Similar to a USGI jeep but better mobility. I like it.
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http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/05/22/meet-boeings-phantom-badger-light-tactical-vehicle/?intcmp=obnetwork
Saw this link and all I could think of was "Did we just basically return to the original Jeep?"
I was also curious if the Osprey is big enough to carry the up armored version since that will be requried as soon as one gets hit by a bomb.
Is "mission-specific modules" the current buzz word/catch phrase at the Pentagon? I see that phrase quite a bit related to just about every new military item.
Yes. Just modernized. We are spending a lot of time in raggedy shitholistans with tight city streets and alleys. And transportable by the V22 internally means this could be inserted way behind enemy lines off of a light carrier, giving Marines or Specops some serious mobility. Equip it with a pole mount fifty or Mk19 and a good standing platform in the back.
I like.
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I've been thinking for a while that all these civilian UTV's (2 seats side by side and a little cargo bed) are basically filling a market niche that used to be surplus jeeps and the old simple CJ's.
Just what the military needs - a $100K ATV :lol:
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I've been thinking for a while that all these civilian UTV's (2 seats side by side and a little cargo bed) are basically filling a market niche that used to be surplus jeeps and the old simple CJ's.
Just what the military needs - a $100K ATV :lol:
Those are in use by the .mil but they have drawbacks...durability being one of them, plus reliability, mobility (a 6x6 Polaris does not turn well) etc.
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WANT. I assume that's one of a kind, though. (If it's not 'shopped.)
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WANT. I assume that's one of a kind, though. (If it's not 'shopped.)
Can't you tell by the pixels and having seen a lot of 'shops in your time?
Chris
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Isn't that a Halo Warthog replica, the most beloved vehicle in the game?
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How about something like this?
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Everything old is new again.
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Isn't that a Halo Warthog replica, the most beloved vehicle in the game?
Winner winner, chicken dinner.
How about something like this?
http://sobchak.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/fav02.jpeg
Everything old is new again.
What is THAT, and where can I get two of 'em for play time?
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Back in the 1980's the 9th Infantry Division (Motorized) up at Ft. Lewis was the Army's Testbed Organization. They got all kinds of fun gizmos and toys to play with. (I went there for ROTC Advance Camp. Great fun.) Anywho, that there is a Fast Attack Vehicle. M60 Machine gun mounted on the main body for the assistant driver and a Mk19 Grenade Launcher up top for the gunner. IIRC, some even had TOW missiles mounted on them, since 9ID was somewhat light in the Armor department (I believe they did have one, maybe two Armor battalions in 9ID, as opposed to zero in the truly "light" divisions and five or six in the Mechanized or Armor Divisions.)
Yes, they were fun as hell to drive.
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That's just a simple sand rail, outfitted for military use.
A 'jeep' light vehicle will have more utility then that. Add a trailer for hauling gear and you've got a vehicle capable of hauling 4 heavily armed Marines or troopers all over the place. You want to piss off the enemy? Send the Marines. You want to *expletive deleted*ck them up? Send the Marines and make them mobile!
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Yeah, looks like a sand rail.
Driver's head would be in the gunner's junk were that for real.
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Yeah, looks like a sand rail.
Driver's head would be in the gunner's junk were that for real.
This design clears that up a bit, though still tight quarters:
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I disagree with this being a far cry from the Jeep. It is just modernized and upgraded. I assume it also has an automatic transmission since no one seems to know how to drive one anymore. I like the idea.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaforce
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Yep, Spec Ops guys still use them. Modern day Rat Patrol (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060018/)!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaforce
One of the worst 80's action movies.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaforce
Amazingly... not on Netflix. Never seen. Figured I'd watch a little bit.
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Another Badger tactical vehicle... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSvyYNf68eg)
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Another Badger tactical vehicle... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSvyYNf68eg)
That's not a tank. It purports to be an armored personnel carrier, but it looks light in the armor department. Thank goodness it is being marketed to law enforcement - as a friendlier version of the M113 with a battering ram mounted?
As for the OP's "Badger" - it needs to haul 4 combat-loaded troops (with as many as 3 more hanging off the sides & back) plus either a 1/4-ton trailer or whatever passes these days for an anti-tank gun or pack howitzer. Forget about up-armoring them. There are no sides that would have to sustain a pressure wave. The roll bars need to be much higher, with provisions for mounting some sort of automatic weapon and tie-ins for a harness for the gunner - like this http://www.hnsa.org/doc/gun20mm/ .
stay safe.
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IIRC the Howe & Howe Badger, it withstood some hefty charges, and even some .50 BMG shots. That's better than some spots on some relatively modern APC's.
But yeah, whoever titled the YouTube vid, Simply by having treads/tracks does not equal "tank". ;/
The little thing is so tiny from the effort to make it fit through many/most residential & commercial doorways and openings, I'm not sure what it can do other than drive somewhere and make a nuisance of itself. Maybe toss a CS canister out of a port or something. =D
Paint it orange, and have a puppet show out the side with Star Wars action figures, Jawas auctioning off C-3P0 and R2D2 to Owen Lars. =D
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This design clears that up a bit, though still tight quarters:
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I'd love to take that jumping the dunes at Pismo Beach!
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Recipe: One Hilux plus whatever appropriately sized gun you like. Sling it under the Oopsprey instead of insisting on RORO and you've got something.
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Hell, keep a guy with the Hilux and let him man the gun while it's slung.
I know there's been talk and some studies, but I don't think they've done anything concrete about arming the V22's yet.
Just be clear up front, there'll be no Dr. Jones Sr. style "Sorry son... they got us..." excuses accepted. =D
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If you sling crap under a V-22, it's stuck in helicopter mode, right?
Then you're wasting the real benefit of the airframe, which is giddyup airplane mode.
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If you sling crap under a V-22, it's stuck in helicopter mode, right?
Then you're wasting the real benefit of the airframe, which is giddyup airplane mode.
According to Wikipedia, the plan was to put a GAU-19 under the nose. They tried it in Afghanistan but it apparently wasn't worth it, since it was heavy as hell and rarely used.
They do mount an M240 or a Ma Deuce on the back loading ramp, though.
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WANT. I assume that's one of a kind, though. (If it's not 'shopped.)
Fan-built Warthog, from the Halo game series.
The mounted gun should be be a bigger tri-barrel, though.
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Fan-built Warthog, from the Halo game series.
The mounted gun should be be a bigger tri-barrel, though.
From what I read, there's one (whether this one or another) made for Microsoft/Bungie.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/24/autos/la-fi-hy-autos-halo-warthog-drive-20121222
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From what I read, there's one (whether this one or another) made for Microsoft/Bungie.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/24/autos/la-fi-hy-autos-halo-warthog-drive-20121222
The one in the article you linked does not have 4 wheel steering.
The pic I attached shows 4 wheel steering. So evidently there are at least two.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Strike_Vehicle
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If you sling crap under a V-22, it's stuck in helicopter mode, right?
Then you're wasting the real benefit of the airframe, which is giddyup airplane mode.
This too. Internally transported payload means it can transition and travel much higher and faster.
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Recipe: One Hilux plus whatever appropriately sized gun you like.
That would be technically superior.
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That was Hiluxarious.
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One of the worst 80's action movies.
Hey when you're 15 and its the only thing on Showtime, its cool stuff
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Smile. Wait for the flash.
It's missing a video camera. Maybe a video camera on a high mast?
stay safe.
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WANT!
Manual control capability of the Phalanx is a must, of course.
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Hey when you're 15 and its the only thing on Showtime, its cool stuff
I just have this picture in my head of the grand charge against the enemy, seeing them fire off a bunch of missiles, then seeing a bunch of crazy smoke trails like they were using cheap bottle rockets.