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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: roo_ster on October 05, 2015, 10:20:43 PM
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http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/10/05/florida-senate-candidate-once-sacrificed-a-goat-and-drank-its-blood/
For my own part i am glad the pagan libertarian did not kill a human and then drape its entrails on the boughs of an oak tree by the light of the moon.
Invictus, an avowed pagan, sang a different tune on Friday when pressed further on some of his beliefs and practices.
“I did sacrifice a goat. I know that’s probably a quibble in the mind of most Americans,” he told the Associated Press.
“I sacrificed an animal to the god of the wilderness…Yes, I drank the goat’s blood.”
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I thought all Libertarian candidates did that. Just like all Tea Party members are child molesters. The RNC and the liberal media both agree on this, so it must be true. ;/ (ouch, I think I just sprained my eyes...)
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It's generally a good idea to be discreet on the weirder parts of your religion. For everyone's benefit
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College buddy and I would vacation together and attend church while on holiday. We had an agreement that if folks came walking down the aisle in black robes leading a goat, we would both get up and leave, no words necessary.
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College buddy and I would vacation together and attend church while on holiday. We had an agreement that if folks came walking down the aisle in black robes leading a goat, we would both get up and leave, no words necessary.
Cutting up a goat on an alter would have freaked me out less than a charismatic church I attended at the request of a friend. I may be wrong on the name. Rolling around on the floor, glossolalia (speaking gibberish) and other extremely hysterical behavior. I was with an atheist, and we were very much not sure what the hell to do. We thankfully had been sitting in a back corner. We got out, but we were both concerned if they knew our belief structures, we'd be ripped limb from limb.
Nothing against the religion, and strictly speaking about ANY crowd in such a heightened frenzy. I'm sure they're peaceful, decent people. But it was one of the most disturbing things I've seen in my life. Even moreso than digging up mass graves. They seemed absolutely normal, and then acted completely insane in the span of less than five minutes.
They have an absolute right to their belief system, but ever since then, I've wanted to own a SAW more than anything in this world.
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Cutting up a goat on an alter would have freaked me out less than a charismatic church I attended at the request of a friend. I may be wrong on the name. Rolling around on the floor, glossolalia (speaking gibberish) and other extremely hysterical behavior. I was with an atheist, and we were very much not sure what the hell to do. We thankfully had been sitting in a back corner. We got out, but we were both concerned if they knew our belief structures, we'd be ripped limb from limb.
Nothing against the religion, and strictly speaking about ANY crowd in such a heightened frenzy. I'm sure they're peaceful, decent people. But it was one of the most disturbing things I've seen in my life. Even moreso than digging up mass graves. They seemed absolutely normal, and then acted completely insane in the span of less than five minutes.
They have an absolute right to their belief system, but ever since then, I've wanted to own a SAW more than anything in this world.
I've known a lot of those people. They're odd, but harmless.
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When I was exploring faiths as a teenager, I ran across a church like that. You're right. Absolutely disconcerting and strange. Like you, I bailed quietly out the back and made sure my truck wasn't followed.
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Cutting up a goat on an alter would have freaked me out less than a charismatic church I attended at the request of a friend. I may be wrong on the name. Rolling around on the floor, glossolalia (speaking gibberish) and other extremely hysterical behavior. I was with an atheist, and we were very much not sure what the hell to do. We thankfully had been sitting in a back corner. We got out, but we were both concerned if they knew our belief structures, we'd be ripped limb from limb.
Nothing against the religion, and strictly speaking about ANY crowd in such a heightened frenzy. I'm sure they're peaceful, decent people. But it was one of the most disturbing things I've seen in my life. Even moreso than digging up mass graves. They seemed absolutely normal, and then acted completely insane in the span of less than five minutes.
They have an absolute right to their belief system, but ever since then, I've wanted to own a SAW more than anything in this world.
I stuck through the most heavily charismatic service (all 2+ hours) I ever attended because of the promise of good eats afterwards. Well worth it, both for the chow and for the in-service entertainment (all the sort of things you described and more!). I also felt obliged to stick around after dark due to the skeevy neighborhood and cluelessness of my fellow visiting congregants.
Charismatics can be both enthusiastic and persistent, but I have never gotten a whiff of danger off them. I suspect that is something you brought in on your own part. Odd and silly to an outsider? Sure. Dangerous? Not so much, might want to broaden some horizons. Lots of enthusiasts crossing the line from sober to silly in many areas.
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Need I mention all the near-psychotic goofy foolishness that pervades us.mil, or at least the small corner of it I occupied for a while?
FTR, I am not a big fan of numbers of folk in confined spaces. Almost entirely a function of folk/sqft, not absolute number.
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College buddy and I would vacation together and attend church while on holiday. We had an agreement that if folks came walking down the aisle in black robes leading a goat, we would both get up and leave, no words necessary.
Good rule. Better rule: at any religious gathering (or social gathering of large numbers), if a goat is trotted out to the front, leave. Leave, as in run and don't look back. Doesn't matter what color robes they are wearing.**
Rule may not apply in some instances in and around Juarez or Tijuana Mexico.
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So... at least as a Libertarian I can at least assume safely he's a supply-sider when it comes to the economics of goat blood?
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Good rule. Better rule: at any religious gathering (or social gathering of large numbers), if a goat is trotted out to the front, leave. Leave, as in run and don't look back. Doesn't matter what color robes they are wearing.**
Rule may not apply in some instances in and around Juarez or Tijuana Mexico.
Um, huh? Animal sacrifice (including goats) was an important part of Joodaism. You folks scared of Joos, or...?
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Pagan here. We don't really care, much. Sacrifice your goat or whatever, I don't want to be near it. I'll be dancing naked around the bonfire.
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Um, huh? Animal sacrifice (including goats) was an important part of Joodaism. You folks scared of Joos, or...?
I'm not sure I trust anyone that takes knives to their jimmies. =|
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca8JhECUDq0
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Pagan here. We don't really care, much. Sacrifice your goat or whatever, I don't want to be near it. I'll be dancing naked around the bonfire.
You just had to top the disturbing pile didn't ya
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Just like all Tea Party members are child molesters.
When did this become a thing? ???
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When did this become a thing? ???
Yeah. I thought we were just good, God-fearin' racist rednecks. That all wear Brooks Brothers.
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Probably a combo of "number of people going ape crazy" and "confined space". I'm sure they'll good people and all that. I just don't want to be in an extremely crowded room with a small number of exits, with ANYONE of ANY religion or philosophy that my brain is telling me is going completely bonkers. As long as it's a small number of folks or there are enough handy exits, I'm fine. Too weird, too many, too few escape routes? Not so fun.
Concur Battle Monkey. Folks pull out the goats or the crazy, smile and nod a lot while backing out of the room.
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Cutting up a goat on an alter would have freaked me out less than a charismatic church I attended at the request of a friend. I may be wrong on the name. Rolling around on the floor, glossolalia (speaking gibberish) and other extremely hysterical behavior. I was with an atheist, and we were very much not sure what the hell to do. We thankfully had been sitting in a back corner. We got out, but we were both concerned if they knew our belief structures, we'd be ripped limb from limb.
I find that sort of thing both creepy and annoying, all at the same time. This is supposed to be a word from God?
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I find that sort of thing both creepy and annoying, all at the same time. This is supposed to be a word from God?
Oddly enough, some folk do not (at least by their actions) believe in the sufficiency of the Bible and seek out other revelation.
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Was In work release in fairfax with a bunch of Druids. Druids because they had the longest " official church service" on Sunday you could sign yourself out for.
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When going through boot camp I attended the LDS services because they were after the main religions were done and we (4 of us) were able to walk over vs. marching in a group. They also had the hottest women and best cookies!! ;)
bob
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Oddly enough, some folk do not (at least by their actions) believe in the sufficiency of the Bible and seek out other revelation.
Do you know anyone whose belief structure doesn't require any extrabiblical revelation, interpretation, or dogma?
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When going through boot camp I attended the LDS services because they were after the main religions were done and we (4 of us) were able to walk over vs. marching in a group. They also had the hottest women and best cookies!! ;)
bob
Yep. Hot women with best cookies are good, God given things
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Do you know anyone whose belief structure doesn't require any extrabiblical revelation, interpretation, or dogma?
yes
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yes
Amazing.
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yes
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Are bonfires and nekkid dancing involved?
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Do you know anyone whose belief structure doesn't require any extrabiblical revelation, interpretation, or dogma?
He did specify revelation, not the other two. Just sayin...
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He did specify revelation, not the other two. Just sayin...
Good point, but absent revelation any attempts at interpretation or defining dogma are at best shots in the dark.
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Good point, but absent revelation any attempts at interpretation or defining dogma are at best shots in the dark.
You mean, absent any other revelation than that found in the Bible? How do you mean?
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Are bonfires and nekkid dancing involved?
Both are nifty, but not as part of the religious observance.
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Amazing.
How so? Some of us take the Bible at its word without feeling the need to add to it or come up with funny ways of explaining things we dont fully understand or perhaps even like all that much.
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You mean, absent any other revelation than that found in the Bible? How do you mean?
If someone really thinks they rely solely on the Bible to interpret and extract meaning from scripture then they are almost certainly ignorant of their own presumptions.
How so? Some of us take the Bible at its word without feeling the need to add to it or come up with funny ways of explaining things we dont fully understand or perhaps even like all that much.
Good for you. I'm sure no one else claims that exact same thing while teaching different doctrine.
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Well someone's a little touchy now aren't they.
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Wow...
When goat sacrifice and blood drinking is outlawed, only outlaws will be sacrificing goats and drinking their blood.
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Do you know anyone whose belief structure doesn't require any extrabiblical revelation, interpretation, or dogma?
My observation centered on the Bible and the revelation it imparts being sufficient or insufficient and the need or seeking out of more revelation. That would be revelation in the epistomology sense.
In that vein i would answer "yes" to your question, assuming that your question a bit ill formed relative to my original observation.
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Well someone's a little touchy now aren't they.
Not touchy. Just pointing out that well-informed, intelligent people will look at the same scriptures and come away with quite different interpretations while claiming to adhere to the singular revelation of the Bible. So, either way, folks are using divine revelation or some other extrabiblical assumptions to come to their conclusions - right or wrong.
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Not touchy. Just pointing out that well-informed, intelligent people will look at the same scriptures and come away with quite different interpretations while claiming to adhere to the singular revelation of the Bible. So, either way, folks are using divine revelation or some other extrabiblical assumptions to come to their conclusions - right or wrong.
I think you have some odd assumptions about what is meant by "sola scriptura." It doesn't mean that God gives us absolutely no other source of information. Nor does it exclude multiple interpretations of the same text.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrAzVcILVzE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrAzVcILVzE)
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SO libertarian. I take it he's for small .gov, reduced taxes and the like.
I would vote for him. However, the L's seem to be just as rock solid stupid as the R's in putting guys like this up for office. You really can't run for office and let your freak flag fly, if you want to win the votes of the average American.
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SO libertarian. I take it he's for small .gov, reduced taxes and the like.
I would vote for him. However, the L's seem to be just as rock solid stupid as the R's in putting guys like this up for office. You really can't run for office and let your freak flag fly, if you want to win the votes of the average American.
He's not a libertarian, just running as one. His actual politics are pretty close to being no-*expletive deleted*it fascist (though he claims he wants everything -- the eugenics and such -- to be "voluntary" ;/). In Florida apparently the parties can't control who actually runs under their banner; so long as they meet the minimum requirements to be included on the ballot, they can run as whatever they want. The chair of the Libertarian Party of Florida, Adrian Wyllie, resigned in protest of his campaign. (https://reason.com/blog/2015/10/05/libertarian-party-of-florida-chair-resig)
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He's not a libertarian, just running as one. His actual politics are pretty close to being no-*expletive deleted*it fascist (though he claims he wants everything -- the eugenics and such -- to be "voluntary" ;/). In Florida apparently the parties can't control who actually runs under their banner; so long as they meet the minimum requirements to be included on the ballot, they can run as whatever they want. The chair of the Libertarian Party of Florida, Adrian Wyllie, resigned in protest of his campaign. (https://reason.com/blog/2015/10/05/libertarian-party-of-florida-chair-resig)
Ah the old "no _true_ goat killing blood drinking libertarian" logical fallacy. I am sure that logical fallacy has its own wikipedia page.
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Ah the old "no _true_ goat killing blood drinking libertarian" logical fallacy. I am sure that logical fallacy has its own wikipedia page.
I'll remember that next time you call someone a RINO (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=45111.msg920183#msg920183).
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I'll remember that next time you call someone a RINO (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=45111.msg920183#msg920183).
It was a joke.
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It was a joke.
Ah, sorry; I've heard that one too often non-jokingly, it's sometimes hard to tell...
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Ah, sorry; I've heard that one too often non-jokingly, it's sometimes hard to tell...
No big whoop. I posted the article not to bash libertarians but as a wtheck and/or wierd bit of americana. I do like a bit of wierdnesss in my america.
And while i appreciate the no true scotsman sorta-fallacy i sought to have a little fun with it by running with the "no true whacked out absurdity." I did manage to miss the fascist bit though. Maybe that would have put it over the top into no-doubt parody. Poes law is a female dog.
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I stuck through the most heavily charismatic service (all 2+ hours) I ever attended because of the promise of good eats afterwards. Well worth it, both for the chow and for the in-service entertainment (all the sort of things you described and more!). I also felt obliged to stick around after dark due to the skeevy neighborhood and cluelessness of my fellow visiting congregants.
An ex GF and I once gave up on an interfaith Baptist/Pentecostal/Methodist service in spite of promised food afterward. The sermons were actually pretty good, but the "praise bands" would be kicked out of their own garages for lack of talent if they weren't claiming a religious exemption from the laws of taste.
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...the "praise bands" would be kicked out of their own garages for lack of talent if they weren't claiming a religious exemption from the laws of taste.
:laugh: The curse of much of our religious music, these days. I prefer the music from back when the Christians had the best talent. Like, 300 years ago.
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:laugh: The curse of much of our religious music, these days. I prefer the music from back when the Christians had the best talent. Like, 300 years ago.
It is all downhill after Bach.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN0FFK8JSYE