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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Andiron on August 13, 2016, 12:51:39 PM
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This has been a high water mark year for political stupidity.
http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/08/12/bill-weld-just-compared-ar-15s-weapons-mass-destruction-said-pistols-even-worse/
Between Johnson stepping on his, and now this, I don't honestly know what else they could do to deliberately chase away voters.
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I've been smacking around my liberal musician friend who THINKS he knows stuff about guns and thinks ya can file a sear in an AR and make it an F/A... I explained the KNOWLEDGEABLE gun people knew that would make it full-auto(ish) for a few rounds, then it would jam and become a club! :facepalm:
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The LP has pretty much abandoned their core principles and has been moving toward anarcho-socialist for a while now.
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I accidentally had my headphones on Beck while I was mowing the lawn the other day. Beck had Johnson on. Johnson could not put two sentences together cogently. He sounded like if you asked him to wash the dishes he'd have to ask you how to turn on the water.
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I accidentally had my headphones on Beck while I was mowing the lawn the other day. Beck had Johnson on. Johnson could not put two sentences together cogently. He sounded like if you asked him to wash the dishes he'd have to ask you how to turn on the water.
Heard that interview, it was awful.
This last couple month's of fuckery from Johnson and Weld have killed off any notion I had of a protest vote.
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I accidentally had my headphones on Beck while I was mowing the lawn the other day. Beck had Johnson on. Johnson could not put two sentences together cogently. He sounded like if you asked him to wash the dishes he'd have to ask you how to turn on the water.
Well, it could be one of those odd post modern faucets. =D
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Heard that interview, it was awful.
This last couple month's of fuckery from Johnson and Weld have killed off any notion I had of a protest vote.
So Trump is actually the best candidate left even including the 3rd parties people? That might be a first.
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So Trump is actually the best candidate left even including the 3rd parties people? That might be a first.
Best sticks in the craw, but I'll give him viable and not Hillary.
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Best sticks in the craw, but I'll give him viable and not Hillary.
Let's just call it "least worst" and let it go.
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Let's just call it "least worst" and let it go.
SO much this...
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WTH is wrong with this election? Even the libertarians are statists! ???
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Well crap. They were going to get my vote. The level of stupid, the number or errors in that statement, boggles the mind. Not to mention that it flies in the face of base libertarian ideas.
I may just skip this election...
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LP realizes their natural constituency is defecting Bernie voters.
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The LP has pretty much abandoned their core principles and has been moving toward anarcho-socialist for a while now.
That sounds like an oxymoron, but it does sum it up very well.
I've seen democrat threads on facebook where they had very interesting but laughably very wrong ideas about what the LP is:
"They are republicans that want to smoke pot and have abortions."
"They are to the right of *derogatory term deleted*."
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LP realizes their natural constituency is defecting Bernie voters.
...and people like me are seeing that and are withdrawing any potential support.
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Heavily leaning toward writing in "None of the above"
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Heavily leaning toward writing in "None of the above"
Yep.
I plan to vote down ticket, and maybe fill in the oval for Trump just because it feels like giving the finger to all of the liberals who have molded our country into a model of their own insanity over the last 7.5 years.
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They lost all chance when they went full on stoner wookie and put up more liberal than libertarian mr bake the cake Johnson.
Sent from my iPhone. Freaking autocorrect.
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Let's just call it "least worst" and let it go.
As long as we understand that this election isn't anything new. Any good old days anyone wants to mention are just selective memory.
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Any living protoplasm that has a real chance of being elected besides Hillary.
That's my supersophisticated voting strategy.
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As long as we understand that this election isn't anything new. Any good old days anyone wants to mention are just selective memory.
The situation isn't anything new, but I would submit that the choices are an order of magnitude worse than usual.
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Not surprised.
Libertarian Party and many libertarians have traded their inheritance of negative rights for positive rights and various other forms of pottage the last 15 or so years. The only thing the LP and most libertarians had going for them was a consistent belief in negative rights and an aversion to positive rights. What they've got now is a a couple of warmed-over has-been GOP governors past their sell-by date and a collection of libertine issues.
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It may just be advancing age, but the choices seem to get worse and worse, with each POTUS election cycle.
liberal than libertarian mr bake the cake Johnson.
Almost everything I've seen from this batch of L.'s makes me not want to vote for them.
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As long as we understand that this election isn't anything new. Any good old days anyone wants to mention are just selective memory.
No, it's significantly worse than usual.
McCain was probably the worst RINO candidate from recent years; probably about just as bad as Trump on policy, except he didn't completely trash the image of the party and arguably intentionally throw the election.
Trump has single-handedly brought about the demise of the Republican party as a force in presidential politics. We had 2016. We could have nominated Jeb Bush and he would have won.
Trump took that chance away from us and by extension all foreseeable chances in the future. This was our last good shot to keep the clock ticking for a bit longer on a not-100%-*expletive deleted*ed SCOTUS. We will never have a Republican president again. The justices that come into place over the next several decades of Democrat presidents are going to wipe out the Constitutional protections we had left.
I think it's uniquely bad this time.
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Trump has single-handedly brought about the demise of the Republican party as a force in presidential politics. We had 2016. We could have nominated Jeb Bush and he would have won.
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LP realizes their natural constituency is defecting Bernie voters.
Or based on what I am reading on the Seattle-area FB pages, the Bernie defectors are moving to the Green Party and Dr. Jill Stein: free college! cancel student debt! $15 minimum wage! no vaccines! Legalized pot! Free healthcare!
There may be some other nuances, but I think that is the gist of the Green Party.
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Or based on what I am reading on the Seattle-area FB pages, the Bernie defectors are moving to the Green Party and Dr. Jill Stein: free college! cancel student debt! $15 minimum wage! no vaccines! Legalized pot! Free healthcare!
There may be some other nuances, but I think that is the gist of the Green Party.
So, the Patchouli Platoon of the Free *expletive deleted*it Army.
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So, the Patchouli Platoon of the Free *expletive deleted*it Army.
Useful idiots that would otherwise vote dem :cool:
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I'm writing in James Mattis on my ballot.
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I'm writing in James Mattis on my ballot.
I'm writing in Mike Rowe, although I am of course in favor of Mattis crossing the Potomic with a few divisions. But voting him in isn't nearly as fun.
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I'm writing in James Mattis on my ballot.
Contemplating Ron Paul as write in.
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No, it's significantly worse than usual.
McCain was probably the worst RINO candidate from recent years; probably about just as bad as Trump on policy, except he didn't completely trash the image of the party and arguably intentionally throw the election.
Trump has single-handedly brought about the demise of the Republican party as a force in presidential politics. We had 2016. We could have nominated Jeb Bush and he would have won.
Trump took that chance away from us and by extension all foreseeable chances in the future. This was our last good shot to keep the clock ticking for a bit longer on a not-100%-*expletive deleted*ed SCOTUS. We will never have a Republican president again. The justices that come into place over the next several decades of Democrat presidents are going to wipe out the Constitutional protections we had left.
I think it's uniquely bad this time.
I am not sure if you are serious or just trying to be funny. I guess I will assume the latter as identifying Jeb Bush as the great hero who could hold back the liberal destruction is just hilarious. =D :laugh:
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I would have been bummed if it were Jeb Bush.
He would have been able to win the general against Hillary though.
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I am not sure if you are serious or just trying to be funny. I guess I will assume the latter as identifying Jeb Bush as the great hero who could hold back the liberal destruction is just hilarious. =D :laugh:
Please clap :P
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If you discount the majority of bull puckey being fed you by the media and the GOPe and the D's it would begin to occur to one that Trump is actually the 3rd party candidate...The Honey Badger Party....He don't give a f***!
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I sacrifice a chicken each week in the hope that Hillary will be indicted and Trump will be the victim of a hostile takeover and get fired.
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I would have been bummed if it were Jeb Bush.
He would have been able to win the general against Hillary though.
No, he would wilt against the media attacks and fail to show anyone why we should elect him over a liberal. See McCain and Romney and Dole.
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I sacrifice a chicken each week in the hope that Hillary will be indicted and Trump will be the victim of a hostile takeover and get fired.
You might want to raise the bar and start adding a goat.
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You might want to raise the bar and start adding a goat.
Does goat cheese count? Not sure I can eat a goat a week.
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I would have been bummed if it were Jeb Bush.
He would have been able to win the general against Hillary though.
No, he would wilt against the media attacks and fail to show anyone why we should elect him over a liberal. See McCain and Romney and Dole.
If you really wanted a Bush/Christie ticket, you should vote Libertarian......
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Does goat cheese count? Not sure I can eat a goat a week.
Goat cheese is for the reception, not the ceremony.
If a goat a week is to hard I'd go with at least monthly. Course, there's always human sacrifice and there's plenty of feral ones to choose from.
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Does goat cheese count? Not sure I can eat a goat a week.
They're really not that big. But, you could go with the smaller pygmy varieties.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/16/libertarian-nominee-gary-johnson-guns-debates-pot/85982250/
I just want to let people know I have an open mind about how we might, how government might, interject itself in a lot of the problems we have.
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We could have nominated Jeb Bush and he would have won.
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Well laugh all you want, it's true. Hillary is disliked enough-- this isn't comparable to 1996, 2008 or 2012. Only Trump could lose this one for us. Perhaps Christie would have lost it as well. Any of the other contenders would have managed to pull it off.
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No, he would wilt against the media attacks and fail to show anyone why we should elect him over a liberal.
Donald Trump has failed to show anyone why we should elect him over a liberal.
Being a "straight talker" and "not wilting against media attacks" has nothing to do with Republican values. That's what Chris Christie does also. Both he and Trump are big-government, authoritarian, establishment RINOs.
And if your argument is that the wimpy GOP establishment candidates of elections past are responsible for losing elections for being too weak and not sufficiently mobilizing the true "conservative base" of the party, then what the heck is that supposed to say about Trump? His nomination has fractured the Republican coalition to a significantly greater degree than any other GOP establishment candidate has in the recent past. Real conservatives want nothing to do with his BS and are flocking away from the party in DROVES. You cannot tell me that Romney or McCain had anywhere near this sort of effect. Romney and McCain did not get George Will to leave the Republican party. Romney and McCain did not get Charles Koch to compare the nominee to cancer or a heart attack.
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Does goat cheese count? Not sure I can eat a goat a week.
No Muslim neighborhoods where you live? They have Halal butcher shops. You could probably get a goat a day (for every meal) if you wanted....
Swing by O'Hare or Midway sometime, and I can give you a planeload. Enough for the entire election cycle....
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I'm in NH. We do not have "ethnicities." We have white people. Lots of white people. Almost all white people. I think NH is 99% white. But I can get goat meat from a few vendors thanks to all the crunchies/hippies around here.
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I really was not expecting the george will card to be thrown. But i wasnt expecting the JEB card either. Life is full of surprises and absurdities.
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I'm in NH. We do not have "ethnicities." We have white people. Lots of white people. Almost all white people. I think NH is 99% white. But I can get goat meat from a few vendors thanks to all the crunchies/hippies around here.
That was something that I noticed on our trip out to NH a couple years ago. "Where are the black people?" I'm used to way more black people.
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Or based on what I am reading on the Seattle-area FB pages, the Bernie defectors are moving to the Green Party and Dr. Jill Stein: free college! cancel student debt! $15 minimum wage! no vaccines! Legalized pot! Free healthcare!
There may be some other nuances, but I think that is the gist of the Green Party.
Don't forget "Nukleer reactors R EEEEEvil WMDs!!!"
How the Greens are so down on the THE zero-carbon-emissions power source able to sustain baseload for a modern society is beyond me.
Unless they truly do want to see a mass human die-off. And I at least halfway DO believe they want that - as long as "the right people" aren't part of it, of course.
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That was something that I noticed on our trip out to NH a couple years ago. "Where are the black people?" I'm used to way more black people.
The only McDonalds I have ever saw with all white people was in Indiana i think (up in that area at least). Never been to New Hampshershire.
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Don't forget "Nukleer reactors R EEEEEvil WMDs!!!"
How the Greens are so down on the THE zero-carbon-emissions power source able to sustain baseload for a modern society is beyond me.
Unless they truly do want to see a mass human die-off. And I at least halfway DO believe they want that - as long as "the right people" aren't part of it, of course.
Before you got to the die off (or during), there would be mass political upheaval and probably quite a bit of warfare going on. I never hear anyone mention that.
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The only McDonalds I have ever saw with all white people was in Indiana i think (up in that area at least). Never been to New Hampshershire.
You should drive through Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Wisconsin, Michigan... (Hint, basically any McD's outside a major city in those states.)
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Unless they truly do want to see a mass human die-off. And I at least halfway DO believe they want that - as long as "the right people" aren't part of it, of course.
Far too many of you, not near enough of me.
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You should drive through Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Wisconsin, Michigan... (Hint, basically any McD's outside a major city in those states.)
I guess the South is a bit more diverse. I don't think I have ever seen that. I haven't been everywhere though.
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I guess the South is a bit more diverse. I don't think I have ever seen that. I haven't been everywhere though.
It is. Rural and small town midwest is extremely homogeneous. In my hometown, the Chinese family runs the Chinese restaurant. Yes, THE one, singular, Chinese family.
THE Indian family runs one of the motels. There were none in my youth, but I think there are some black people in town now. I also think they are foster children, IIRC.
And my town is not unusual in these regards.
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I guess the South is a bit more diverse. I don't think I have ever seen that. I haven't been everywhere though.
If this is true, is it the result of past slavery? Would it therefore mean that slavery is "diverse," and therefore a wonderful, wonderful thing? Should the Democrat Party seek to promote it by subsidizing the purchase and upkeep of slaves?
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If this is true, is it the result of past slavery? Would it therefore mean that slavery is "diverse," and therefore a wonderful, wonderful thing? Should the Democrat Party seek to promote it by subsidizing the purchase and upkeep of slaves?
I think it means that when black people in the South moved out of it, they ended up in the big cities as that was where the work was, not the rural areas. I imagine people sometimes tend to not travel far from where they grew up even if the area isn't so great.
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As I learned when taking classes on becoming a Foster Parent. Most kids don't know "It's not that great". Mom can be a druggie and Dad an alcoholic, but they are still "Mom and/or Dad" they can live in a horrible slum, in a "house of squalor" apartment, but it's still "Home".
The boy that was supposed to become my foster son decided to stay on the westside of Chicago, even though he would have far more and better opportunities, in school, in sports, and in his future life. Yet he decided that that was where he wanted to stay... C'est la Vie.
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MechAg, I was joking, silly. Though I do like the idea of telling a lefty that slavery made teh America more diverse. :laugh:
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MechAg, I was joking, silly. Though I do like the idea of telling a lefty that slavery made teh America more diverse. :laugh:
I was just in a serious mood and couldn't think of any good puns.
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So Trump is actually the best candidate left even including the 3rd parties people?
Unless an actual Oompa Loompa steps up, then he's the closest we've got.
Can he sing?
"Oompa Loompa doompadee doo. I've got the State of the Union for you."
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Well crap. They were going to get my vote. The level of stupid, the number or errors in that statement, boggles the mind. Not to mention that it flies in the face of base libertarian ideas.
I may just skip this election...
Same. Makes you want to weep. Well, we're boned.
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I recall saying, in the before time, that a nation that falls for such naked absurdities as same-sex "marriage" would usher in an era in which our politics ceased to make any sense at all.
Yay, I was correct.
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On top of my various specific policy disagreements with him, I can't bring myself to vote a statist libertarian.
At least Trump will provide plenty of entertainment.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/16/libertarian-nominee-gary-johnson-guns-debates-pot/85982250/
:facepalm: Despite that and his horrible choice of a running mate I'll probably vote for him.
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I can't vote for Trump. I can't vote for Hillary.
I'm voting for Johnson. At least it'll provide more funding for the libertarians next election cycle.
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I can't vote for Trump. I can't vote for Hillary.
I'm voting for Johnson. At least it'll provide more funding for the libertarians next election cycle.
Unintentionally hilarious.
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Unintentionally hilarious.
No doubt.
My suggestion for those unable to vote for Trump, but who still want to vote against the arrogance, corruption, and abuse of power Clinton represents, is to write in Richard Nixon.
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No doubt.
My suggestion for those unable to vote for Trump, but who still want to vote against the arrogance, corruption, and abuse of power Clinton represents, is to write in Richard Nixon.
Hypothetical question time:
Let's say that enough voters wrote in "John Smith" on the ballot to make him the winner. How is it determined which John Smith is the winner? There has to be hundreds of eligible John Smiths in the country.
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Hypothetical question time:
Let's say that enough voters wrote in "John Smith" on the ballot to make him the winner. How is it determined which John Smith is the winner? There has to be hundreds of eligible John Smiths in the country.
At least in my state, and according to my slender knowledge of such things, write-ins only count if the candidate registers his name before-hand. So whichever John Smith has previously presented himself to the authorities as the write-in candidate "John Smith."
Kinda defeats the purpose of a write-in, though, I should think.
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Kinda defeats the purpose of a write-in, though, I should think.
The purpose of a write in is traditionally that it takes quite a bit of time to get a candidate's name on the ballot. Or they might not get qualified in the primaries and want to run anyways (Senator Murkowski (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Murkowski#2010), I'm looking at you)
The purpose isn't really to be able to elect any random person you want, if they don't want to run.
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The purpose of a write in is traditionally that it takes quite a bit of time to get a candidate's name on the ballot. Or they might not get qualified in the primaries and want to run anyways (Senator Murkowski (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Murkowski#2010), I'm looking at you)
The purpose isn't really to be able to elect any random person you want, if they don't want to run.
The purpose is for me to vote for whomever I wish, and theoretically elect him, if enough people write in the same individual. It doesn't mean they're forced to serve, but the votes should still be counted. It wouldn't exactly be fair, if Mr. Unannounced Write-in won 51% of the vote, but every such vote were thrown out.
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It doesn't mean they're forced to serve,
Why not? Drafting Presidents seems like it couldn't be much worse than the last couple of elections.
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Why not? Drafting Presidents seems like it couldn't be much worse than the last couple of elections.
Hmm, i like the idea of drafting folk at random to serve in congress and as potus. Limit it to taxpaying citizens of course.
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Why not? Drafting Presidents seems like it couldn't be much worse than the last couple of elections.
I'll happily abide by whoever they pick, provided they have no prior public office experience or connection with the Clinton foundation.
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Why not? Drafting Presidents seems like it couldn't be much worse than the last couple of elections.
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Oh come on, I don't think you'd make the worst POTUS, RKL.
Which does beg the question: Which APS member would be the worst President?
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Oh come on, I don't think you'd make the worst POTUS, RKL.
Which does beg the question: Which APS member would be the worst President?
De selby?
Sent from my iPhone. Freaking autocorrect.
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De selby?
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heh
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De selby?
Sent from my iPhone. Freaking autocorrect.
DE Selby/Fistful 2016.
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.
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DeSelby is probably more conservative than Romney and come to think of it he may be more conservative than GWB.
He wouldn't try and take our guns, he wouldn't get us involved in unnecessary military adventures or destabilizing foreign governments.
While he has obviously made peace with the reality of big government promoting it himself he doesn't seem to be in favor of the fascist merging of big government with big business for elite profit, seems more populist than elitist.
So there you go, DeSelby 2016!
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JamisJockey can replace Biden.
Mike Irwin for SecState or UN ambassador. >:D
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Mike Irwin for SecState or UN ambassador. >:D
I thought we were trying NOT to start new wars?
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As long as whoever it is makes me Secretary of the Interior, I'll vote for them.
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DeSelby is probably more conservative than Romney and come to think of it he may be more conservative than GWB.
He wouldn't try and take our guns, he wouldn't get us involved in unnecessary military adventures or destabilizing foreign governments.
While he has obviously made peace with the reality of big government promoting it himself he doesn't seem to be in favor of the fascist merging of big government with big business for elite profit, seems more populist than elitist.
So there you go, DeSelby 2016!
Until after the inauguration. Then all bets are off.
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Until after the inauguration. Then all bets are off.
That's when De Selby has an unfortunate accident. ;)
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I'll take SecDef, so I can reduce the Pentagon Headcount by 50%, should be able to field a couple of divisions, a few aircraft carriers, and several air wings...
Oh and kill the F35.
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Can I have the department of Energy?
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DeSelby is probably more conservative than Romney and come to think of it he may be more conservative than GWB.
He wouldn't try and take our guns, he wouldn't get us involved in unnecessary military adventures or destabilizing foreign governments.
While he has obviously made peace with the reality of big government promoting it himself he doesn't seem to be in favor of the fascist merging of big government with big business for elite profit, seems more populist than elitist.
So there you go, DeSelby 2016!
Way to make Romney comparatively likeable.. [barf]
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I'll take SecDef, so I can reduce the Pentagon Headcount by 50%, should be able to field a couple of divisions, a few aircraft carriers, and several air wings...
Oh and kill the F35.
Pentagon Headcount: -50% Gotcha.
What about the Head On A Pike Outside The Pentagon Count?
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Pentagon Headcount: -50% Gotcha.
What about the Head On A Pike Outside The Pentagon Count?
I've always been in fan of Voltaire's pour encourager les autres – "In this country, it is wise to kill an admiral (and general) from time to time to encourage the others."
I'd like to see both sides of the walkways leading up to the US Capitol lined with Heads (of former members) on Pikes. Like the ending of Spartacus.
And as SecDef, I could make that happen....
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Can I have the department of Energy?
Dibs on the other DoE.
What was that about reducing headcount?
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Dibs on the other DoE.
What was that about reducing headcount?
To 0, I hope.
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DE Selby/Fistful 2016.
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.
It .... might.
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Dibs on the other DoE.
What was that about reducing headcount?
"Good Morning, I'm Makattack the new Education Secretary. Now everyone pack your *expletive deleted*it and get out. You are all fired."
I like it. =D =D =D
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please make me SecDef.
I'll start by renaming it the War Department. Then i'll fire just about every DoD civilian that's doing jobs Soldiers can/should do. Then i'll start sweeping cuts to literally anything that doesn't fall into one of two categories
- Effectively killing baddies
- Effectively breaking *expletive deleted*it belonging to said baddies
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I want Attorney General.....and Surgeon General....and Secretary General.....just so I can find out....
https://youtu.be/rz4OSS56nF4
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please make me SecDef.
I'll start by renaming it the War Department. Then i'll fire just about every DoD civilian that's doing jobs Soldiers can/should do. Then i'll start sweeping cuts to literally anything that doesn't fall into one of two categories
- Effectively killing baddies
- Effectively breaking *expletive deleted*it belonging to said baddies
Sorry, I called dibs. Although if you want SecArmy, I'm good with that. You will have free rein to implement you ideas and policies. Also, I will be folding the Air Farce back into the Army. The damn zoomies seem to have forgotten what their mission is. And I'll make the Navy part of the Marines. As they seem to have forgotten what their mission is...
A War Department and a Marine Department. Sounds about right.
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I want to be head of the BATFE.
I will then declare every gun ever made has a "sporting purpose."
And then fire everyone, and hire NRA life members ONLY.
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I will then declare every gun ever made has a "sporting purpose."
Even if it is just to be a boat anchor.
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I thought we were trying NOT to start new wars?
Well where's the fun in that?
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Even if it is just to be a boat anchor.
No, you need a big powerful magnet as a boat anchor to try to find all those guns that were lost in tragic boating accidents.
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This is as good a place as any for this particular facepalm:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/08/politics/gary-johnson-aleppo/
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I want to be head of the BATFE.
I will then declare every gun ever made has a "sporting purpose."
And then fire everyone, and hire NRA life members ONLY.
The final six words were completely un-neccessary....
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This is as good a place as any for this particular facepalm:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/08/politics/gary-johnson-aleppo/
If we were to disqualify candidates from office based on gaffes during public interviews, who'd be left to run again? Oh, right - no one. Both Trump and Hillary have done worse, in the past month alone, for God's sake.
At least Johnson owned up to his. And more Americans than ever now know at least a little about the situation in Syria, because of the Google search they did on hearing about this.
The NYT having to issue a correction on their would-be "gotcha" - and then another correction to the first correction, within 3 hours of the first publication - was just icing on that cake.
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I want to be head of the BATFE.
I will then declare every gun ever made has a "sporting purpose."
And then fire everyone, and hire NRA life members ONLY.
The final six words were completely un-neccessary....
....especially if you're firing yourself, too.
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The final six words were completely un-neccessary....
Unless you are also going to get rid of NFA, someone has to print and send out all the NFA tax stamps.
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If we were to disqualify candidates from office based on gaffes during public interviews, who'd be left to run again? Oh, right - no one. Both Trump and Hillary have done worse, in the past month alone, for God's sake.
At least Johnson owned up to his. And more Americans than ever now know at least a little about the situation in Syria, because of the Google search they did on hearing about this.
The NYT having to issue a correction on their would-be "gotcha" - and then another correction to the first correction, within 3 hours of the first publication - was just icing on that cake.
I had to look at the link to find out what Aleppo was. Who gives a crap. It is Syria. What do we gain by "doing" something about that place? I think many of the problems over there are due to President Obama "doing something" in the Middle East to start with.
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Unless you are also going to get rid of NFA, someone has to print and send out all the NFA tax stamps.
You had me at "get rid of NFA."
I had to look at the link to find out what Aleppo was. Who gives a crap. It is Syria. What do we gain by "doing" something about that place? I think many of the problems over there are due to President Obama "doing something" in the Middle East to start with.
You kind of have a point. That was also my first reaction. On the other hand, our Commander-in-Chief needs to at least be well-aware of what's going on in the world of people who inspire acts of occasional and bloody violence against us. Doesn't necessarily mean he should do anything, but to be caught unawares by a question like that - well - it's embarrassing.
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It is a whole lot easier than the usual "Who is the president of Turkmenistan?" sort of question directed at Republican POTUS-tential candidates. Johnson got off easy.
FTR, I have been following the goings-on in Syria and recognized the reference.
Here's the thing: I also suspect just about anyone who has read the Bible could place Aleppo in Syria and understand it was a question about the Syria mess.
So, what we learn from only this misstep is that GJ:
1. Is not following the Syria mess.
2. Does not read the Bible much.
No, it doesn't indicate he is completely unfit to be POTUS. But it does indicate he might be spending too much time smoking his own stash rather than keeping up with foreign policy issues and is pig-ignorant of 1/3 the founding influences of Western Civilization (and is pretty much a Philistine).
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I just did a search for Aleppo (and a few alternate spellings) in a few of the more common translations, and didn't find it. Wiki says it is mentioned in one verse of the Apocrypha (so it would occur in the minority of KJVs that are so equipped). Not exactly the kind of thing one hears or reads of often, in American Christian communities.
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If they had asked him about Syria, he would likely have had an answer. I don't care if a candidate knows obscure foreign policy facts like this. That is why Presidents have people and advisers working for them. Do I need to know the name of the current leader of Venezuela to know there are a bunch of commies down there running the country into the ground?
IMO, this means more to the media than it does to the average voter. IMO, many of the media people making hay of it wouldn't have answered any better.
I find myself defending the guy and I have no plans to vote for him. However, I heard a radio commercial he did the other day. It was probably the best political ad I have heard in a long time.
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If they had asked him about Syria, he would likely have had an answer.
My understanding is that he did. Apparently, after the grossly-unprofessional on-air "Are you kidding me?" reaction from the interviewer, he said "Aleppo, Syria?", and Johnson had a valid response. A quick look shows that BBC actually reported on the whole thing, rather than just the first part, and confirms that it happened that way.
But that's not conforming to the narrative. And doesn't promote ridicule of the stoner. So we don't see that in our media.
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My understanding is that he did. Apparently, after the grossly-unprofessional on-air "Are you kidding me?" reaction from the interviewer, he said "Aleppo, Syria?", and Johnson had a valid response.
I agree they were very unprofessional with the "Are you kidding" stuff, but his response was not exactly as you describe it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOT_BoGpCn4
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It was a political answer, sure. What were you looking for?
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This is as good a place as any for this particular facepalm:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/08/politics/gary-johnson-aleppo/
I'm not sure I consider that a facepalm moment. The word "Aleppo" meant nothing to me. It's bad enough we have gotten ourselves entangled in affairs in Syria as a country. Once you start narrowing things down to individual cities in countries where we shouldn't be involved in the first place -- well, the term "micromanaging" comes to mind.
I guess I'm a hard-hearted bastard, but IMHO the first priority of the President of the United States should be the people of the United States. Our military exists, and we pay taxes to support it, for the purpose of defending the United States. I don't see how our intervention on Syria is making the United States safer for U.S. citizens and lawful residents -- and those are the only people who should count when making policy decisions.
So who cares about "Aleppo"?
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It was a political answer, sure. What were you looking for?
That's not what I mean. Johnson didn't say "Aleppo, Syria" (or anything else) until after they left-splained to him that it was a city in Syria, etc. Maybe he already knew that. Maybe he didn't. Don't know.
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I saw an infographic on Syria. It was the last several months of google searches, and it was way down at the bottom of the graph. And then it spiked way up after the Aleppo gaff.
The average voter has no idea where the *expletive deleted*ck Syria is on a map, much less what Aleppo is.
One of the news outlets identified it as the headquarters of ISIS recently.
Trump is running around promising to murder suspected terrorists families.
Hillary has made absolute statements that she won't have any troops in Iraq anymore (cough..bullshit)
Johnson owned up to the gaff and was contrite over it.
I'm not swayed.
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Trump is running around promising to murder suspected terrorists families.
Personally? This could make for a truly great season of The Apprentice.