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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Angel Eyes on November 10, 2016, 08:33:26 PM
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. . . a change.org petition demanding that the Electoral College ignore the state-by-state totals and make Hillary the President:
Text of the petition:
On December 19, the Electors of the Electoral College will cast their ballots. If they all vote the way their states voted, Donald Trump will win. However, they can vote for Hillary Clinton if they choose. Even in states where that is not allowed, their vote would still be counted, they would simply pay a small fine - which we can be sure Clinton supporters will be glad to pay!
We are calling on the Electors to ignore their states' votes and cast their ballots for Secretary Clinton. Why?
Mr. Trump is unfit to serve. His scapegoating of so many Americans, and his impulsivity, bullying, lying, admitted history of sexual assault, and utter lack of experience make him a danger to the Republic.
Secretary Clinton WON THE POPULAR VOTE and should be President.
Hillary won the popular vote. The only reason Trump "won" is because of the Electoral College.
But the Electoral College can actually give the White House to either candidate. So why not use this most undemocratic of our institutions to ensure a democratic result?
SHE WON THE POPULAR VOTE.
There is no reason Trump should be President.
"It's the 'People's Will'"
No. She won the popular vote.
"Our system of government under our Constitution says he wins"
No. Our Constitution says the Electors choose.
"Too many states prohibit 'Faithless Electors'"
24 states bind electors. If electors vote against their party, they usually pay a fine. And people get mad. But they can vote however they want and there is no legal means to stop them in most states.
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The *expletive deleted*it might surly hit the fan if that were to come about.
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We'd better pray they don't hold a candle light vigil!
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The *expletive deleted*it might surly hit the fan if that were to come about.
Exactly.
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Since Clinton already conceded and Trump has already met with President Obama, the likelihood of this amounting to anything is vanishingly small. I'm a bit appalled that the petition already has 1.4 million signatures.
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The electoral college matters until it works against their guy ;/
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The electoral college matters until it works against their guy ;/
Much like the Constitution.
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In 1992, Bubba received 43% of the popular vote, Bush1 received 37.4%, and Perot received 18.9%. That means Bubba didn't receive a majority of the popular vote (in fact, a significantly smaller percentage than Trump), and 57% of the voting populace was disappointed. Yet there were no riots in the streets, no public weeping, wailing, and rending of garments. Why is it that these things only happen when it's the liberals and social justice warriors who are on the losing side? Why can't/won't they acknowledge that the system works, and that they don't get to win all the time?
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Why is it that these things only happen when it's the liberals and social justice warriors who are on the losing side? Why can't/won't they acknowledge that the system works, and that they don't get to win all the time?
Because liberal philosophy is that we all get to vote over an issue. And if we don't agree with the liberals then we vote again. And again. And again.
Until they win. Then it's settled and never to be voted on again.
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Because liberal philosophy is that we all get to vote over an issue. And if we don't agree with the liberals then we vote again. And again. And again.
Until they win. Then it's settled and never to be voted on again. they move on to punishing the dissenters.
More accurate.
Oh - also, when they finally get their way, that counts as "having a serious discussion." Until they win, we haven't "had a serious discussion," and we'll be told we must "have a serious discussion," until they get their way. Once the "serious discussion" has been had, no more discussion is necessary. That is why dissenters must be hushed up. See above.
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We ought to start our own counter-petition based on this:
The EC is about defeating factionalism as much as it is about giving low population states a reason to actually vote.
The Founders were extremely worried about factionalism. The fact that the Democrat party has, as a matter of policy, created many factions (race, income, gender, national origin, sexual proclivities etc) and then swept them under their wing verifies the fear of the Founders. The tyranny of the majority can be made up of unifying various factions of so called "minorities". As a result we need the EC more now than in any time in the past. This election points that out very well. If the Democrat party had merely remained the party of the working middle class instead of the conglomeration of the factions they saw they needed to do to remain in power, they probably would never be able to elect another D president, ever. Now, without the EC there would never be another R president. The two most dangerous people to run for office, Gore and HRC were kept from power because of the genius of the Founders and the EC. Obama was an aberration, but got elected because of the factions of the D party and the "white guilt" of quite a few Rs.
...and some of the other comments on that thread.
Terry
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It now has 2.4 million signatures.
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A. This would probably escalate the ballot box to the bullet box. It would be a clear case of changing the rules after the election to steal the result.
B. This might not work out the way they want. If the electors were to actually vote by the results of their districts the Dems would never win. Even the two elections Obama won had smaller spots of blue in a sea of mostly red.
Personally I've always thought all Staes should work the way Nebraska and Maine do when it comes to electoral votes. Of course if they did again Obama would never have been elected.
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A. This would probably escalate the ballot box to the bullet box. It would be a clear case of changing the rules after the election to steal the result.
B. This might not work out the way they want. If the electors were to actually vote by the results of their districts the Dems would never win. Even the two elections Obama won had smaller spots of blue in a sea of mostly red.
Personally I've always thought all Staes should work the way Nebraska and Maine do when it comes to electoral votes. Of course if they did again Obama would never have been elected.
That, of course, makes your suggestion racist.
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You guys realise that the most likely scenario is that he was a hardened veteran of the narco-wars?
The robbers most likely had the bad luck of encountering a more experienced crook.
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Apparently nearly 4 million now. I'm curious how many of the signatures are those of all the college kids who couldn't bother to vote but who got excited about protesting (I understand there's a lot of them)? Also how many are illegal aliens? There doesn't appear to be any decent identity verification at that site.
Of course what does this number end up being? It's like <2% of those eligible to vote and ~3% of those who actually voted (or something - I used 2012 numbers). Kinda like the <1% of the population that's LGBT making the rest of us dance to their tune, which is kinda a big part of what got Trump in.
If something like this were to happen, I believe it would be the one thing that would get the over 50% of non-left people who don't protest when the dem gets elected to go full bore. The protestors in Portland will be looking for holes to crawl into.
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You guys realise that the most likely scenario is that he was a hardened veteran of the narco-wars?
The robbers most likely had the bad luck of encountering a more experienced crook.
Who, Clinton? Or that guy in the other thread? =D
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Who, Clinton? Or that guy in the other thread? =D
Pablo Emilio Escobar Gaviria
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Who, Clinton? Or that guy in the other thread? =D
Hahaha other thread - any way to move a post?
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I keep seeing Dems saying a majority of Americans voted for Hillary. CNN is reporting voter turn out at 55.4% of eligible voters. So roughly a quarter of eligible voters cast a ballot for one or the other.
And the petition? That's what, around 1% of the population? Nothing to see here. Move on. This petition should get no more attention than it already has.
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I keep hearing that this is the sort of thing that couldn't happen. A year ago, that sort of talk was much more reassuring.
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Apparently nearly 4 million now. I'm curious how many of the signatures are those of all the college kids who couldn't bother to vote but who got excited about protesting (I understand there's a lot of them)? Also how many are illegal aliens? There doesn't appear to be any decent identity verification at that site.
Or how many are people from other countries?
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Doesn't Trump have one more Electoral vote from the guy in WA who said he wouldn't vote for Hillary.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
So good luck getting ~40 Electors to change their votes.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Appears Trump won the popular vote too.
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Appears Trump won the popular vote too.
What happened? Have they now counted the military absentee ballots?
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Appears Trump won the popular vote too.
Cite, please? I have some noses that need tweaking.
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Cite, please? I have some noses that need tweaking.
A quick search just showed Clinton +~400K. The military absentee vote could certainly reduce that, but I don't know where they are on that count. Don't know that there's enough to reverse it though. I too, would like to see the numbers go the other way, just to make celebs and protesters cry a little more.
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Real Clear Politics hasn't even called Mi or NH yet let alone updating the popular vote totals.
Poor little butt hurt liberals.
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The problem with trying to figure out the popular vote is not every vote gets counted. :(
If there is a stack of 1K absentee ballots hanging out in the back room waiting to be counted and they will not effect the outcome of the race there is a very good chance they will just get tossed without being opened so we will never know the true popular vote.
bob
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If there is a stack of 1K absentee ballots hanging out in the back room waiting to be counted and they will not effect the outcome of the race there is a very good chance they will just get tossed without being opened so we will never know the true popular vote.
Well that's disappointing. I spent election day processing absentee ballots so they could be counted on election day. :mad:
I suppose other states do it differently.
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Cite, please? I have some noses that need tweaking.
I saw it somewhere, npr or msnbc. Getting ready to ride so it will be a while before I can find it again.
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http://www.snopes.com/2016/11/13/who-won-the-popular-vote/
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Snopes has been a lying sack of liberal for years, now.
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Snopes has been a lying sack of liberal for years, now.
;/ If you don't believe them, then look at the sources. Don't be manipulated by who the messenger happens to be.
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I can't find, might have been a oops story.
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https://70news.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/final-election-2016-numbers-trump-won-both-popular-62-9-m-62-7-m-and-electoral-college-vote-306-232-hey-change-org-scrap-your-loony-petition-now/
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https://70news.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/final-election-2016-numbers-trump-won-both-popular-62-9-m-62-7-m-and-electoral-college-vote-306-232-hey-change-org-scrap-your-loony-petition-now/
Not a very credible news source.
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Not a very credible news source.
I was going to say... He even says that his source is Twitter. How is Twitter a source? ???
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https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=us%20presidential%20election%20results&eob=enn/p//0/1///////////&scso=en-inc:0.8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8.4.8.6.6.4.6.6.6.4.6.6.4.8.6.6.2.6.4.6
Try this, Google's election results.
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Wow. According to that, Trump won over 90% of counties considered to be rural. That's incredible.
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Wow. According to that, Trump won over 90% of counties considered to be rural. That's incredible.
Not at all surprising to those of us that live there.
It's an easy tell to look at the election maps from the last several go arounds and see that the divide in this country is less liberal V. conservative as it is rural V. urban.
Too many city dwellers have no idea how the world works outside of their own narrow little slice of it.
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Wow. According to that, Trump won over 90% of counties considered to be rural.
And I'm betting the remainder are mostly border counties.