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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on November 25, 2016, 11:40:45 PM
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So I'm trying to figure out what's behind the whole vote recount thing, ostensibly led by Jill Stein. She has apparently collected more money for it than she received for her entire presidential campaign. Some random thoughts:
So the electronic voting machines that were 100% reliable and tamper-proof when Trump mentioned potential voter fraud are now rife with hackerware?
I believe it is Wisconsin where Stein's people are saying that Trump won by the 'incredibly slim" margin of 50,000 votes. If that's "incredibly slim", then I'd assume Trump's people could call it "slim" if miraculously (or by sleight of hand) the votes flipped to +50,000 for Hillary. They would have to find at least 50,000 "fraudulent" Trump votes, then if they're calling 50K slim, they'd better come up with an additional 20K or so votes for Clinton, or they just have the same "unreliable" vote count as Trump currently does. They would have to do the same for the other contended states.
At the risk of donning tinfoil, I'd heard that Soros is actually behind this and using Stein as a patsy, and that Clinton may be in on it as well, which is why she's laying low on the subject. Normally I'd label myself as a conspiracy theorist for thinking that, but these days and with those people, I'm not so sure.
Lastly, can these people give it a rest already? I think even some mainstream dems are beginning to get tired of it all.
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I'm surprised you didn't consult your favorite news source on this. :P
http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2016/11/25/nate-silver-if-jill-steins-recount-fundraiser-were-a-scam-it-would-probably-look-a-lot-like-this/
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If the amount raised ($5.2 million at last count) exceeds the cost of the recount, what happens to the difference? Does Stein get to keep it?
(I have no doubt that Soros and/or similar leftists with deep pockets are behind the fundraising)
(ETA: Stein & co promise the surplus (if any) "will also go toward election integrity efforts and to promote voting system reform", whatever that means)
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/jill-stein-now-cant-guarantee-money-will-go-to-unlikely-recount/
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So.... Even if the recount goes against Trump it doesn't matter, so why bother?
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So.... Even if the recount goes against Trump it doesn't matter, so why bother?
But Trump loses, if they manage to flip Wisconsin. And Michigan. And Pennsylvania. :lol:
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Heard on Fox News Radio driving home today that the Clinton camp admitted they are behind Stein's recount effort.
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I'm surprised you didn't consult your favorite news source on this. :P
http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2016/11/25/nate-silver-if-jill-steins-recount-fundraiser-were-a-scam-it-would-probably-look-a-lot-like-this/
Okay, smart guy. :lol:
Well, on Soros and Clinton, in some ways I'm glad that I wasn't wearing tinfoil. In other ways it's kind of a bummer that we're in an environment where that doesn't make me a whacko for believing it.
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Unfortunately, we can't be surprised if we find out the Democratic Party is fielding assassination squads. =|
And I'm not even one those people who believes in the Vince Foster stuff.
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So at this point there is zero evidence of election fraud.
While there is no evidence of election tampering in the states, Green Party spokesman George Martin insisted "the American public needs to have it investigated to make sure our votes count."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/26/clinton-team-joins-steins-three-state-vote-recount-that-begins-in-wisconsin.html
In other words, "We're just doing this for the fun of it and to be pains in the asses." To my mind, this is no different than BLM blocking a freeway or the entrance to a store.
Apparently Clinton only won NH by a couple thousand votes. Maybe there should be a recount there, and probably several other states that went her way with under 50,000 votes. Or heck, recount CA to find how many of the nearly 4 million votes for Clinton over trump were provisional ballots submitted by dead people, multiple personalities, and illegals. If there is voter fraud anywhere, I bet CA is rife with it.
I'm gonna laugh like crazy if the recount reduces Clinton votes. Of course (tinfoil again) the Soros machine has had plenty of time to "discover" uncounted ballots by now.
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A few Hillary quotes regarding the questioning of election results:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5225577435001/?#sp=show-clips
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I wonder if the recount is really just to encourage faithless electors when the electoral college meets.
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Hey Fistful, look - I'm using my favorite news source. =D
This is somewhat interesting: The White House is stating that "...the election accurately reflects the will of the American people".
http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2016/11/27/suck-it-up-hillary-lost-white-house-obliterates-recount-effort-election-reflects-will-of-the-people/
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Just found this:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/the_democrats_real_strategy_in_launching_recounts.html
Interesting concept ...
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Interesting article.
There's also a chance that a faithless elector could cast his EV for a third person and if that person is more acceptable to the Republicans then a person no one voted for could end up as president.
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Stein got 30,980 votes in Wisconsin. Presumably those votes would have otherwise been cast for Hillary. If Stein was so concerned about Hillary winning, why didn't she just stay out? Hillary would have won Wisconsin and other states, and the presidency.
Stein's ballot recount fund-raising looks like a scam to me. I'm sure she'll compensate herself well for her efforts.
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I heard they just found several boxes of previously uncounted ballots in Michigan. Mysteriously, all the votes were for Al Franken.
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She may get a recount in WI, but not PA unless she can show fraud. Michigan requires at least an allegation of fraud when the difference is over 2,000 votes.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/309959-recount-a-pipe-dream-would-have-to-be-taken-to-court-in-pa-chances-of-overturning-results-in-3-states-virtually-impossible/
http://www.govtech.com/blogs/lohrmann-on-cybersecurity/the-trouble-with-recounts-in-the-name-of-hacking.html
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/11/27/recount-effort-hits-a-major-snag-417034
Why not recounts in NH and NV. Both of which had a closer vote count (NH-Clinton by 2700, and NV-Clinton by 26,000) then any of the states Trump won. If she really was concerned about the election intergrity as she claims, then those would be the states to target for recounts. Unless of course she is what she has been all along, a useful idiot.
And it could be a scam:
We cannot guarantee a recount will happen in any of these states we are targeting. We can only pledge we will demand recounts in those states. If we raise more than what’s needed, the surplus will also go toward election integrity efforts and to promote voting system reform.
If she is really going to use the surplus for "election integrity efforts", then that money will be used to push for Voter ID laws? ;/ ;/ ;/
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Can somebody check my numbers and maths on this?
The states being contested have 10, 16, and 20 votes, respectively. Trump's current electoral vote count (including Michigan) is 306. For Trump's total to fall below 270, he would have to lose all three of those states. Yes?
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So at this point there is zero evidence of election fraud.
Does voter fraud not count as election fraud? Or is that a whole different thing?
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Does voter fraud not count as election fraud? Or is that a whole different thing?
The election fraud here is "the Russians did it", so yeah, in this case, two different things.
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Just seems like with all the talk of a rigged election, dead people & illegals voting, this would be a good opportunity to shed some light on that and make Stein pay for it. Since Trump won it seems like no one cares about voter fraud anymore.
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Just seems like with all the talk of a rigged election, dead people & illegals voting, this would be a good opportunity to shed some light on that and make Stein pay for it. Since Trump won it seems like no one cares about voter fraud anymore.
Oh, I'd agree with that. Sadly, most of what you spoke of takes place in states like CA, which will never be audited, because racist or something.
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Also I see now that the Clinton campaign will participate in the recount - what does that mean? They just send observers? Do they challenge ballots?
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IMO, the whole thing is just astroturf to try and re-visit all the butthurt of "Selected not Elected" that happened after Bush v. Gore in 2000 with the Florida recount.
There's no real belief on their part that they're actually going to flip a state here.
If anything, they're going to piss and moan and demand hand recounts or anything else to delay and stall so they run up against the hard deadline for the EC vote, and can then claim they were unfairly stopped etc.
It's just agitprop and a money grab.
In terms of political/fundraising triage, it's like when the ER doc on the TV show gives up on the defibrillator, and dramatically jumps up on the gurney, straddles the patient, and drops a hammer fist on their sternum. :lol:
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IMO, the whole thing is just astroturf to try and re-visit all the butthurt of "Selected not Elected" that happened after Bush v. Gore in 2000 with the Florida recount.
I think so. As I mentioned, they would have to flip all three of the states in question. Or I guess if they flipped PA and MI, and then flipped two electoral delegates, that would work, too.
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Just heard on the radio news where an EC elector in Texas resigned so he would not have to vote for Trump. Interesting. I wonder if he'll start a trend?
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Just heard on the radio news where an EC elector in Texas resigned so he would not have to vote for Trump.
;/ I presume his place will be filled by another, yes?
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;/ I presume his place will be filled by another, yes?
Don't know. No mention made of him being backfilled.
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Just seems like with all the talk of a rigged election, dead people & illegals voting, this would be a good opportunity to shed some light on that and make Stein pay for it. Since Trump won it seems like no one cares about voter fraud anymore.
Sure they care. I'm certain the Democrats are already trying to figure out what went wrong, and planning for more extensive fraud in 2020.
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PA say Stein missed the deadline to file. Any bets on which end around play they try next?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pennsylvania-state-department-says-stein-missed-recount-deadline/article/2608305 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pennsylvania-state-department-says-stein-missed-recount-deadline/article/2608305)
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PA say Stein missed the deadline to file.
As if we needed more evidence that this whole thing is a ruse.
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Apparently WI has now told Stein to take a hike. :laugh:
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Gee, I wonder what's going to happen to that $5 million?
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:lol: The New Yorker has a piece that tears into Stein and Clinton for pushing this malarkey. They can't even get The New Yorker on board.
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Apparently WI has now told Stein to take a hike. :laugh:
Sort of. They agreed to do a recount with the machines but not by hand. Stein is suing for a hand recount:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/28/elections-staff-layout-recount-timeline/94539210/
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Sort of. They agreed to do a recount with the machines but not by hand. Stein is suing for a hand recount:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/28/elections-staff-layout-recount-timeline/94539210/
I think they also tripled the price of a recount, so now she's acting like a Nigerian Prince and asking for more dough. "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a recount today."
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I think they also tripled the price of a recount, so now she's acting like a Nigerian Prince and asking for more dough. "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a recount today."
Yeah, because she wants a "hand recount" where the election officals look at each ballot, as opposed to a "machine recount" where they just run all the ballots through the optical reader again.
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For $10 million I can get you an extra McNugget.
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Headline on Drudge says the first day of the recount gained Hillary ONE vote.
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At the current pace, Clinton will overtake Trump in Wisconsin in approximately 74 and a half years.
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Current (re)count in WI:
Clinton +3
Trump +5
=D
EDIT: I had forgotten to include the link.
http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2016/12/03/game-changer-wisconsin-recount-has-already-uncovered-3-more-votes-for-hillary-and-5-for-trump/
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Stein & co have dropped their demand for a statewide recount in PA:
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/12/03/green-party-drops-statewide-pennsylvania-recount/
Saturday’s court filing to withdraw the case said the Green Party-backed voters who filed the case “are regular citizens of ordinary means” and cannot afford the $1 million bond ordered by the court by 5 p.m. Monday. However, Green Party-backed efforts to force recounts and analyze election software in scattered precincts were continuing.
"ordinary means"? Didn't Stein raise $7 million in her gofundme (or whatever it was)? Why can they suddenly not afford $1 million by 1700 hrs Monday?
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Maybe they're the Fresh-Outta-Green Party.
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Comdidering how often gun owners and the NRA have been told we don't have standing for lawsuits until we actually risk jail time by breaking what should be unconstitutional laws; personally I'm having a hard time seeing how Stein has any standing to challenge the results or file any court cases.
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Stein & co have dropped their demand for a statewide recount in PA:
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/12/03/green-party-drops-statewide-pennsylvania-recount/
"ordinary means"? Didn't Stein raise $7 million in her gofundme (or whatever it was)? Why can they suddenly not afford $1 million by 1700 hrs Monday?
I think she raised almost $10 million. I fully expected most of the money to be disappear into Green Party's or Stein's personal election fund. I'm impressed that they were able to steal it so quickly.
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I'm impressed that they were able to steal it so quickly.
It's their best skill.
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You forgot the flying unicorns.
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Stein & co have dropped their demand for a statewide recount in PA:
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/12/03/green-party-drops-statewide-pennsylvania-recount/
"ordinary means"? Didn't Stein raise $7 million in her gofundme (or whatever it was)? Why can they suddenly not afford $1 million by 1700 hrs Monday?
I thought there was something in PA law that three citizens PER precinct had to file a court case to get a recount (outside of automatic triggers and primie facie evidence of fraud). So maybe it was $1 million PER PRECINCT the state was asking.
Just spitballin' here. However, I'm good with the "They are just stealing the money." explanation.
And I think the real goal, was a stated by the GOP, to tie the election in court so that the electors from MI, WI, and PA couldn't vote on 20 Dec, throwing it into the House of Representin', where Trump probably would win, but spend the next four years hobbled by the continuous cries of "Selected, Not Elected" from the media and the left (but I repeat my self.) We are already hearing it from them with "Hillary won the Popular Vote" that's been on-going since 10 Nov.
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Stein & co have dropped their demand for a statewide recount in PA:
Looks like she hasn't given up in PA, just looking for a change of venue -- to federal court.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-green-party-drops-election-recount-bid-pennsylvania-020036851.html
What an idiot:
On Twitter, she added: "How odd is it that we must jump through bureaucratic hoops and raise millions of dollars so we can trust our election results? #Recount2016.
"#Recount2016 is so expensive because of elected leaders who have refused to invest in a 21st-century voting system," she said.
How ironic that much of the problem seems to be "21st century" voting systems. Until just a few years ago, my state used the same old-fashioned, mechanical voting machines that I recall being shown when I was in grammar school. There was never a problem -- or an allegation -- that those machines ever switched votes from one side to the other. Same with good, old-fashioned paper ballots. The only way those can switch votes is if all the vote counters agree to cheat. Once you bring computers into the mix, all bets are off.
As for voter fraud, why isn't she pushing for universal voter ID requirements? I'm sure I have posted before that I'm almost 73 years old and I can't remember ever NOT having to show ID when voting. I don't mind. In fact, I not only expect it, I welcome it. I want ME to cast my vote, not Guillermo or Pablo.
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I'd no idea the Greens were so opposed to bureaucracy.
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What an idiot:
What an idiot:
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On Twitter, she added: "How odd is it that we must jump through bureaucratic hoops and raise millions of dollars so we can trust our election results? #Recount2016.
"#Recount2016 is so expensive because of elected leaders who have refused to invest in a 21st-century voting system," she said.
You seriously expect logic and reason from her (and the rest of the "Greens")? The rest of your post is spot on....
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Trump now ahead by double digits.
:rofl:
http://twitchy.com/jacobb-38/2016/12/04/latest-wisconsin-recount-numbers-have-trump-extending-his-lead-by-39-votes/
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Trump now ahead by double digits.
:rofl:
http://twitchy.com/jacobb-38/2016/12/04/latest-wisconsin-recount-numbers-have-trump-extending-his-lead-by-39-votes/
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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This part worries me:
City of Milwaukee still isn't complete; have not added in the absentees to the precincts yet. No Madison reports yet at all.
— Ed Morrissey (@EdMorrissey) December 4, 2016
Since those two areas are liberal bastions, what are the chances of finding several boxes of ballots that were "never counted"?
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If they "find" enough votes to change the results it will just strengthen the narrative that Democrats rig elections. Even if they don't find enough votes it looks like that is what they are trying to do.
Trump has defanged the impact of a recount by framing the issue right out of the gate.
"Crooked Hillary and the crooked Democrats just happened to find enough votes, they are rigging the system."
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I agree with Ron. If they find so many ballots, or so many "ballot mistakes" in Milwaukee that it flips the vote (we're talking what, 20,000?) that would be a pretty clear indication of monkey business by the Democrats and/or whoever is actually behind this nonsense. IIRC, the most votes ever "reversed" were like 1000 during Bush/Gore. Average is like a couple hundred.
Interesting side note, a Federal Judge has ordered a Michigan recount. Michigan had initially refused, stating that there was no way for Stein to be "aggrieved", but the Federal judge rejected that.
A couple of points: 1) Fed judge telling states what to do on recounts is kind of interesting. 2) Apparently Stein (and/or whoever is behind this) is arguing that in Michigan, their beef is that there may be many ballots that were left blank in the "president" section. Even if true, so what? Do they somehow expect "blank" to equal "they meant to vote for Clinton"?
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A couple of points: 1) Fed judge telling states what to do on recounts is kind of interesting. 2) Apparently Stein (and/or whoever is behind this) is arguing that in Michigan, their beef is that there may be many ballots that were left blank in the "president" section. Even if true, so what? Do they somehow expect "blank" to equal "they meant to vote for Clinton"?
Well, of course. Don't you remember the Florida recounts, where they were counting "dimpled" chads as evidence of a vote for Gore? Among other shenanigans?
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Well, of course. Don't you remember the Florida recounts, where they were counting "dimpled" chads as evidence of a vote for Gore? Among other shenanigans?
You mean him:
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Trump now with a net gain of 110 votes in Wisconsin:
http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/12/05/trump-widening-lead-wisconsin-recount-rolls
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Interesting also that now Stein, via federal judges, is forcing states to use taxpayer money for recounts. Guess she's already invested the first five million in mutual funds and Swiss bank accounts.
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Guess she's already invested the first five million in mutual funds and Swiss bank accounts.
. . . or the Clinton Foundation.
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2) Apparently Stein (and/or whoever is behind this) is arguing that in Michigan, their beef is that there may be many ballots that were left blank in the "president" section. Even if true, so what? Do they somehow expect "blank" to equal "they meant to vote for Clinton"?
Henceforth, all ballots for the office of President shall include an option for "Abstain."
How long will it be before we elect another Abe to the White House?
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How long will it be before we elect another Abe to the White House?
Another Abe Lincoln? The guy that made Democrats so mad, they talked secession? Well...
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-cal-secession-20161127-story.html
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MI Court of Appeals tells Stein to get bent.
http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2016/12/06/open-and-shut-michigan-court-of-appeals-stops-recount-says-jill-stein-is-not-an-aggrieved-candidate/
However, for Jill Stein, reading is not so fundamental....
The U.S. Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed a federal district judge's order, saying #RecountMI should continue. Democracy prevails.
— Dr. Jill Stein (@DrJillStein) December 7, 2016
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
@SchuetteOnDuty I really wanted to see Clinton lose twice.
— ☆_AJillity308_☆ (@ajillity308) December 7, 2016
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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MI Court of Appeals tells Stein to get bent.
http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2016/12/06/open-and-shut-michigan-court-of-appeals-stops-recount-says-jill-stein-is-not-an-aggrieved-candidate/
However, for Jill Stein, reading is not so fundamental....
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
And the same federal judge who ordered the recount on Monday (instead of Wednesday) has agreed. Stein did not have standing to demand the recount in the first place. http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/309358-federal-judge-kills-recount-effort-in-michigan
I did not expect that. Maybe the law really does mean something. Occasionally.
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And another federal judge has tossed her recount bid in Pennsylvania:
https://www.apnews.com/322db08ce6eb49fb910d5a84de3cccb8/US-judge-rejects-Green-Party's-Pennsylvania-recount-case
What a dweeb. I would say she should have stuck to doctoring, except that I don't think I would care to be treated by anyone quite this delusional. She might start prescribing some of the quack medicine Dr. Oz gets all excited about.
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And another federal judge has tossed her recount bid in Pennsylvania:
https://www.apnews.com/322db08ce6eb49fb910d5a84de3cccb8/US-judge-rejects-Green-Party's-Pennsylvania-recount-case
What a dweeb. I would say she should have stuck to doctoring, except that I don't think I would care to be treated by anyone quite this delusional. She might start prescribing some of the quack medicine Dr. Oz gets all excited about.
Yep, I'd bet her doctoring degree is in Aroma Therapy and Herbal Medicine from Hippy-Dippy University..
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Yep, I'd bet her doctoring degree is in Aroma Therapy and Herbal Medicine from Hippy-Dippy University..
Worse. She's from Harvard.
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Worse. She's from Harvard.
Same thing.
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Same thing.
I thought was Yale now...oh well.
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Annnnnnnnd ...
The Wisconsin results are in. Trump GAINED 131 votes.
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/completed-wisconsin-recount-widens-donald-trump-s-lead-by-votes/article_3f61c6ac-5b18-5c27-bf38-e537146bbcdd.html
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Annnnnnnnd ...
The Wisconsin results are in. Trump GAINED 131 votes.
What does that come to, in dollars per vote gained?
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What does that come to, in dollars per vote gained?
Who cares? It's not like it's real money -- it comes from the taxpayers.
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Never mind. I looked it up myself:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/scott-walker-wisconsin-recount-231887
$3.5 million / 131 votes = $26,717.56 per vote (assuming the cost is exactly $3.5 million, of course)
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Well, thanks Jill Stein*. It turns out your efforts to expose voter fraud in MI have paid off! There was 37% voter fraud in the city of Detroit, with more votes than registered voters. I forget which party Detroit usually votes for. Could you bring it up in a press conference Jill?
*No link again. I always seem to catch these tidbits while Fox Business is on the TV in the background during my morning coffee and APS perusal.
*I didn't get exactly what the 37% meant, but they were talking about voting machines producing multiple erroneous votes, and there was something to do with the humans at the polling place, but I didn't catch it.
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*No link again. I always seem to catch these tidbits while Fox Business is on the TV in the background during my morning coffee and APS perusal.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/
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Well, thanks Jill Stein*. It turns out your efforts to expose voter fraud in MI have paid off! There was 37% voter fraud in the city of Detroit, with more votes than registered voters. I forget which party Detroit usually votes for. Could you bring it up in a press conference Jill?
*No link again. I always seem to catch these tidbits while Fox Business is on the TV in the background during my morning coffee and APS perusal.
*I didn't get exactly what the 37% meant, but they were talking about voting machines producing multiple erroneous votes, and there was something to do with the humans at the polling place, but I didn't catch it.
The article I read seemed to indicate that the Detroit aw-thaw-rih-tays are claiming that the fault lies with too many elderly, senile, "crazy" poll workers. So ... who hired all these elderly, senile, "crazy" poll workers, and who was supposed to supervise them? How is it that virtually all the Michigan precincts outside of Detroit managed to have their poll numbers reconcile, yet so many of Detroit's were so far off that they could be included in a recount?
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I still wish that after Stein started all this, that some conservative organizations would have stepped up and insisted on a recount in CA, because even though it wouldn't have changed the majority vote, I still say they would have found around a million unauthorized and/or false votes. I'm sure the state would have charged $50 million to do it though (and offered it for free (taxpayer expense) if for some reason the vote here would have gone the other way).
I'm too lazy to look up hard numbers, but I speculate that at least 80% of the time when recounts are performed, they find the original count favored Ds and the recounts favored Rs. I was going to say that, knowing that, I was perplexed at Stein's reasoning, but really, it almost fits into that term I brought up elsewhere - "retraction reporting". A big deal was made about the recount, and Trump and the ruskies stealing the election, but now that recounts have found the errors to be in Clinton's favor, you don't see much in the MSM about those numbers.
The original narrative is still at the forefront, regardless of the evidence. Or if anything, somehow the recounts were manipulated. ;/
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Anymore my opinion of recounts requested by Dem's is "we failed to commit sufficient voter fraud to get the election to swing in our favor, so we'd like a second go at it to get where we need to be".
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Ha ha -- Stein is upset she hasn't received a refund from the states who refused a recount. No mention of her donors (who, of course, she already told were not getting refunds from her).
http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2016/12/21/hey-must-be-the-money-green-partys-jill-stein-still-focused-more-on-green-than-party/