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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: T.O.M. on November 28, 2016, 10:56:38 AM
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Active shooter reported on the main campus of Ohio State University in Columbus. Reports of 7-9 injuries, depending on the source of the news. Reportedly in or near Watts Hall, a Materials Science and Engineering building.
http://nbc4i.com/2016/11/28/active-shooter-reported-at-osu-campus/
http://www.10tv.com/article/reports-active-shooter-ohio-state-campus
I'll post more as I hear, as my bailiff is getting dispatch reports. Early reports on the dispatch is two shooters, one may be dead at this point. Also, report that this all started when fire department was dispatched as a result of a chlorine leak at the lab in the building.
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Active shooter reported on the main campus of Ohio State University in Columbus. Reports of 7-9 injuries, depending on the source of the news. Reportedly in or near Watts Hall, a Materials Science and Engineering building.
http://nbc4i.com/2016/11/28/active-shooter-reported-at-osu-campus/
http://www.10tv.com/article/reports-active-shooter-ohio-state-campus
I'll post more as I hear, as my bailiff is getting dispatch reports. Early reports on the dispatch is two shooters, one may be dead at this point. Also, report that this all started when fire department was dispatched as a result of a chlorine leak at the lab in the building.
I'm noticing a trend that every time one of these happens, there is a report of multiple shooters in the preliminary dispatches, only to be found to be a lone murderer after the initial confusion is cleared.
HOPEFULLY, the one dead shooter is all that there was.
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I'm noticing a trend that every time one of these happens, there is a report of multiple shooters in the preliminary dispatches, only to be found to be a lone murderer after the initial confusion is cleared.
HOPEFULLY, the one dead shooter is all that there was.
Agreed. What's weird here is an early report that two guys in a red SUV rammed the building and then ran in, one with a gun and the other with a large knife. Odd details for panicked witnesses getting things wrong.
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Now reporting only 4 of the 8/9 injured suffered gunshot wounds. No details on other injuries.
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Lovely. In the Uber thread, I was just saying how I am scheduled to visit OSU next week, gun-free of course, because despite having CC permits in every state I will be traveling in, it's probably illegal 20 times over for me to actually travel armed in any effective way, between the multiple states, air travel, gun free zones, and college campuses being victim disarmament zones.
I guess I could back out based on this, but the risk next week is probably not higher than any other time.
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Now reporting only 4 of the 8/9 injured suffered gunshot wounds. No details on other injuries.
CNN says one prof. injured with machete.
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CNN says one prof. injured with machete.
Local NBC affiliate just said that there are several knife injuries, one vehicular injury, and several injuries still being evaluated. Wonder what that means...
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Jihad for $400, Alex.
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Local NBC affiliate just said that there are several knife injuries, one vehicular injury, and several injuries still being evaluated. Wonder what that means...
I saw a report that a fire alarm was pulled. When students evacuated the building, a vehicle was waiting and plowed into the crowd, then two people jumped out. One was armed with a gun, the other had a knife (or a machete).
Waiting for corroboration, and more details.
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Jihad for $400, Alex.
Trump deniers for $500, Alex.
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I saw a report that a fire alarm was pulled. When students evacuated the building, a vehicle was waiting and plowed into the crowd, then two people jumped out. One was armed with a gun, the other had a knife (or a machete).
Waiting for corroboration, and more details.
Press conference just reported that the 9 injured were 4 stab/slash injuries from a large butcher knife, four from vehicular crash, one as yet undetermined. No gunshot wounds. Search for second suspect has turned up no one. Sounds like it may have been mistake in the chaos of the car driving into the crowd. Unclear if alarm was pulled before the crash.
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Having now listened in on two press conferences, it sounds like the only shots fired came from the first officer on scene, and were the shots that killed the bad guy with the large knife. Sounds like the witnesses hearing shots heard the officer's shots. Sounds like he was right near the scene when the bag guy drove into the crowd/building, which may be why only 4-5 people were cut/stabbed.
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Having now listened in on two press conferences, it sounds like the only shots fired came from the first officer on scene, and were the shots that killed the bad guy with the large knife. Sounds like the witnesses hearing shots heard the officer's shots. Sounds like he was right near the scene when the bag guy drove into the crowd/building, which may be why only 4-5 people were cut/stabbed.
Gee... it's almost as if the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun knife and a car is with a good guy with a gun.
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Gee... it's almost as if the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun knife and a car is with a good guy with a gun.
How much did Big Guns pay you to say that, troll? :mad:
(I was going to say it, but I haven't gotten my payment from Big Guns, yet.)
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspect-dead-after-ohio-state-university-car-knife-attack-n689076
...law enforcement officials told NBC News he was a Somali refugee who was a legal permanent resident of the United States.
The motive was unknown, but officials said the attack was clearly deliberate and may have been planned in advance.
So he's from Somalia, and wasn't acting in self-defense. I'm not saying it's jihadis, but it's jihadis.
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Idiots in the media are still calling for stricter gun control even after finding out the attacker didn't use a gun. It's all "imagine how much worse it could have been". Example. (http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2016/11/28/roberts-ohio-state-carnage-could-have-been-catastrophic/94552258/)
They are not calling for stricter Somali refugee control.
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Idiots in the media are still calling for stricter gun control even after finding out the attacker didn't use a gun. It's all "imagine how much worse it could have been". Example. (http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2016/11/28/roberts-ohio-state-carnage-could-have-been-catastrophic/94552258/)
How differently this turned out than Virginia Tech and Columbine and Colorado Springs and Aurora and Roseburg and Charleston and Newtown and San Bernardino and Orlando and ...
All those places where there wasn't a good guy with a gun?
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Yeah, the luck here turned on the fact that the bad guy literally hit a wall with his car, and the officer was on scene very quickly after bad guy got out and started stabbing/slashing.
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So he's from Somalia, and wasn't acting in self-defense. I'm not saying it's jihadis, but it's jihadis.
$400 for fistful.
Yep, good thing I was sitting down when I read about the perp.
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$400 for fistful.
Yep, good thing I was sitting down when I read about the perp.
Where is the meme with the "Ancient Aliens" guy when you need him.
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We may never be able to unravel the motive in such a random attack as this. It's best if we don't jump to any conclusions when we see these isolated incidents repeatedly happening.
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Can the OP please change the thread title?
See my suggestion above.
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Not sure if real:
http://magafeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/CyYQ4POXcAEh0QS.jpg
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Idiots in the media are still calling for stricter gun control even after finding out the attacker didn't use a gun. It's all "imagine how much worse it could have been". Example. (http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2016/11/28/roberts-ohio-state-carnage-could-have-been-catastrophic/94552258/)
They are not calling for stricter Somali refugee control.
Or stricter car control.
Look what one guy with a truck managed to do in France ...
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Not sure if real:
http://magafeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/CyYQ4POXcAEh0QS.jpg
Looks legit.
https://issuu.com/thelantern/docs/082516
bob
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http://magafeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/CyYQ4POXcAEh0QS.jpg
Oh, the media's gonna forget this thing reeeeal fast.
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Not sure if real:
http://magafeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/CyYQ4POXcAEh0QS.jpg
If real:
I'm a Muslim, it's not what the media portrays me to be."
Then why did you decide to act like the media portrays you to be?
So much for "the religion of peace."
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Oh, the media's gonna forget this thing reeeeal fast.
Yep. No evil black guns. No death-spraying high-capacity magazines. No white supremacists, foaming at the mouth while slaughtering innocent children and minorities. Nothing to see here, move along.
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If real:
Then why did you decide to act like the media portrays you to be?
So much for "the religion of peace."
You don't understand; it's all our fault. (racist white men, although I suppose that's redundant) We *made* him do it.
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Yep. No evil black guns. No death-spraying high-capacity magazines. No white supremacists, foaming at the mouth while slaughtering innocent children and minorities. Nothing to see here, move along.
Nope, just an Exalted Minority complaining about a stereotype; then fulfilling it in blood.
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I'm more pissed now. One of the injured is a friend of my oldest son. Freshman engineering student. Eagle Scout. Staff member at National Youth Leadership Training. Just a great kid. He was hit by the car. Going to be okay. Relatively minor arm injury.
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How much did Big Guns pay you to say that, troll? :mad:
(I was going to say it, but I haven't gotten my payment from Big Guns, yet.)
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspect-dead-after-ohio-state-university-car-knife-attack-n689076
So he's from Somalia, and wasn't acting in self-defense. I'm not saying it's jihadis, but it's jihadis.
Can't be Islam, quit using logic to come to a premature conclusion based on current evidence!
Probably one of those militant Buddhists or Mennonites :P
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DAMN YOU NRA! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!
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I can't find the page after having closed the tab, but ABC is all but calling it terrorism. He made numerous facebook posts to that effect. He was quoting another known terrorist. He all but claims his motives are our foreign policy.
I looked up the OSU newspaper and that page is real.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/ohio-state-university-student-dead-driving-crowd-stabbing/story?id=43821371
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I'll just take a moment to provide an updated tally on the carnage wrought by evil guns, compared to the peace and tranquility brought to us courtesy of the religion of peace:
I started my count with Pontiac's rebellion, back in colonial times. I'm sure I missed some incidents, but I've accounted for all I could find.
Gun deaths: 411
Gun wounded: 458
Islamic Terror Deaths (U.S.): 3056
Islamic Terror Wounded (U.S.): 6416
Clearly, guns are the problem, not Islamic terrorism. It's incomprehensible that the media and the government haven't figured this out when the facts are so plainly evident.
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And Certainly Not News has already started the spin: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/28/us/ohio-state-university-active-shooter/index.html
Investigators are examining Abdul Razak Ali Artan's Facebook page to determine whether the attack was terrorism, though it will take some time to ascertain the motive.
It won't take any time at all. The guy posted his motive on Facebook.
The attack on Ohio State's Columbus campus ended in less than two minutes with Artan dead and 11 people injured.
Ohio State officials lauded Officer Alan Horujko in stopping Artan before he could injure more people.
Artan, an Ohio State student of Somali descent, rammed his car into a group of pedestrians Monday morning before exiting the vehicle with a knife and slashing people. Horujko shot the knife-wielding man when he failed to comply with orders to put down his weapon, Ohio State President Dr. Michael V. Drake said in a news conference Monday.
No, he was not "of Somali descent." That description is for people born in the U.S. who have parents or perhaps grandparents who are or were Somali. This guy was born in Somalia. His family went to Pakistan in 2007, and they came to the U.S. in 2014. He was 18 at the time of the attack, so he was 9 when he left Somalia. He was not a U.S. citizen. It would appear that his nationality was still Somali, unless he acquired Pakistani citizenship during the family's stay there.
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"Of Somali descent" means they couldn't bother to check, or had not yet verified, his nationality.
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quote] "of Somali descent."[/quote]
I would say he looks a lot more West African than Somali (East Africa)....but that might be considered racist, and is there really a "look", probably not. One thing is for sure, he was a lot better fed than the Somalis I remember. Living in the US is good for something; high calorie, high carb vittles. ;)
bob
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I started my count with Pontiac's rebellion, back in colonial times. I'm sure I missed some incidents, but I've accounted for all I could find.
Gun deaths: 411
Gun wounded: 458
Islamic Terror Deaths (U.S.): 3056
Islamic Terror Wounded (U.S.): 6416
I missed an important one: The 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Dunno how I missed that one, since it can probaby be taken as the date when we should really start comparing "gun" violence to "Islamic terrorist" violence. Anyhoo, the revised numbers, with the 1993 WTC bombing added in, are:
Gun deaths: 411
Gun wounded: 458
Islamic Terror Deaths (U.S.): 3062
Islamic Terror Wounded (U.S.): 7458
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I missed an important one: The 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Dunno how I missed that one, since it can probaby be taken as the date when we should really start comparing "gun" violence to "Islamic terrorist" violence. Anyhoo, the revised numbers, with the 1993 WTC bombing added in, are:
Gun deaths: 411
Gun wounded: 458
Islamic Terror Deaths (U.S.): 3062
Islamic Terror Wounded (U.S.): 7458
Alright, you've got to stop doing that. It's, uh, it's racist, that's what it is. And it's probably bad for the environment.
http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2016/11/28/anti-racism-strategist-tariq-nasheed-mystified-by-white-osu-officer-being-called-a-hero/
So white officer Alan Horujko who shot and killed the Black Somali stabbing suspect in Ohio is being paraded as a hero. Thats interesting
You canNOT make this stuff up.
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Unintentional Irony:
I'm a Muslim, it's not what the media portrays me to be."
The MSM has been feverishly trying to convince us that Muslim refugees are peaceful, misunderstood folks that just want to live in peace.
Clearly, he was not what the media portrayed him to be.
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You don't understand; it's all our fault. (racist white men, although I suppose that's redundant) We *made* him do it.
True.
Apparently one of his complaints was that OSU didn't provide dedicated prayer rooms for devout Muslims. Yet he had previously acknowledged that he was able to pray openly and nobody complained or interfered with him.
I'm a Protestant who prefers to pray in large, Gothic-style churches. Should I have sued my college (or attacked a bunch of students) because the college didn't have a replica of Notre Dame on campus?
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GMA is reporting about him being radicalized, so msm is at least going to talk about it.
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All of the local news channels are calling it terrorism, the chief of Columbus PD said they were treating it as terrorism (no word from the feds yet).
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All of the local news channels are calling it terrorism, the chief of Columbus PD said they were treating it as terrorism (no word from the feds yet).
"workplace violins"
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"workplace violins"
Emily Litella, is that you? (nevermind)
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All of the local news channels are calling it terrorism, the chief of Columbus PD said they were treating it as terrorism (no word from the feds yet).
"workplace violins"
Dang it, beat to the punch.
Well, I will add a purty picture:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia-cache-ec0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fbd%2F14%2F1a%2Fbd141a7994d74c1b5ff7c7eea2d4e084.jpg&hash=99fdb79e661dcd16adc747810732c338c4320339)
--Hits "Preview"--
Emily Litella, is that you? (nevermind)
Double dangit, I can;t catch a break.
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I've noticed, in the reporting on the radio at least, that when speaking about the dead murderer, they make a point that he was "legally in this country".
Hey, lefty news orgs, you realize that pointing out that the refugees that the government CHOOSES to let in are really poorly vetted doesn't really help your case that we ought to just forget about the people who broke the law to get here? Nor that we ought to take in MORE of these poorly vetted refugees?
Oh, right. The left can't really do logical processing. All that stuck out to them was "BUT HE'S NOT AN ILLEGAL, SO ALL YOU RIGHT WINGERS WORRIED ABOUT ILLEGALS ARE WRONG!"
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Time for some extreme vetting.
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I've noticed, in the reporting on the radio at least, that when speaking about the dead murderer, they make a point that he was "legally in this country".
Hey, lefty news orgs, you realize that pointing out that the refugees that the government CHOOSES to let in are really poorly vetted doesn't really help your case that we ought to just forget about the people who broke the law to get here? Nor that we ought to take in MORE of these poorly vetted refugees?
Oh, right. The left can't really do logical processing. All that stuck out to them was "BUT HE'S NOT AN ILLEGAL, SO ALL YOU RIGHT WINGERS WORRIED ABOUT ILLEGALS ARE WRONG!"
makattak, May I steal your quote for use elsewhere like on the Book of Face? I will credit you however you wish - "makattak", "Some Idiot on a forum somewhere", whatever you like...
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I argued yesterday with a young nimrod who insisted that islamophobic terrorism far exceeded jihad Istanbul attacks here. In fact he quoted some huff po Dailey kos piece that asserted that no refugee has ever gone postal he was so cute. I asked him if he remembered the Boston Marathon and if he was born male
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I leave here - second half is most relevant to thread.
http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/29/top-terrorist-george-w-bush-stopped-us-attacking-911/
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I missed an important one: The 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Dunno how I missed that one, since it can probaby be taken as the date when we should really start comparing "gun" violence to "Islamic terrorist" violence. Anyhoo, the revised numbers, with the 1993 WTC bombing added in, are:
Gun deaths: 411
Gun wounded: 458
Islamic Terror Deaths (U.S.): 3062
Islamic Terror Wounded (U.S.): 7458
And I missed another one: The July 16, 2015, shooting of Marines and Navy personnel in Chattanooga, TN. Add five more killed and two more wounded as a result of Islamic terrorism.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyblY8eWEAAeqBg.jpg)
https://twitter.com/realshady8kers/status/803581804993216512/photo/1
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"Do not share this post?" Seriously? Dumb as a bag of rocks much, Stephanie?
And I, for one, have no problem celebrating the extinction of Islamic extremists.
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"Do not share this post?" Seriously? Dumb as a bag of rocks much, Stephanie?
Obvious troll should be obvious.
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Obvious troll should be obvious.
Don't believe she was trolling. Just another idiot college student.
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Don't believe she was trolling. Just another idiot college student.
Student? She is a professor.
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Don't believe she was trolling. Just another idiot college student.
Nope. She works at OSU in the Office of Diversity and Inclusiveness. Neither a student or a professor, an Administrator.
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Don't believe she was trolling. Just another idiot college student.
The "Do not share" is the part that makes me think it's a troll.
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The "Do not share" is the part that makes me think it's a troll.
Who cares? Just another example of fatuitas academicus. As if we needed more evidence that people in universities are completely, totally, hopelessly, irredeemably out of touch with the real world.
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The "Do not share" is the part that makes me think it's a troll.
Not me. I think she really believed that saying "do not share" would prevent people from sharing it. Either she thought people would "respect her authority" or she thought her statement would cause waves and she didn't want the info to get out.
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https://www.facebook.com/oafnationactual/videos/1169843626385355/
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I leave here - second half is most relevant to thread.
http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/29/top-terrorist-george-w-bush-stopped-us-attacking-911/
Imagine if Obama had been President on 9/11.
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Imagine if Obama had been President on 9/11.
Bad enough to think how close we came to having Algore.
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Bad enough to think how close we came to having Algore.
There is a special providence for drunkards, fools, and the United States of America.
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Imagine if Obama had been President on 9/11.
Look what happened with Bill Clinton as President
1. Muslim terrorists/fighters were shipped into Somalia to attack our soldiers. They were successful. Weak response.
2. The World Trade Center was attacked. The bombing did not bring the building down. They treated it as a criminal issue and threw cruise missiles at a few places.
3. In 1998 there were simultaneous attacks on African embassies. Wiki says over 200 people were killed. I am not sure any Americans were killed. More cruise missile strikes I think.
We have had attacks in the last 8 years in addition to continued fighting in Afghanistan.
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http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=41418.0
anyone remember this post about OSU getting an MRAP? I wonder if they busted it out to parade around.
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http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=41418.0
anyone remember this post about OSU getting an MRAP? I wonder if they busted it out to parade around.
Didn't see it in any of the footage. Just saw the armored vehicle from Columbus PD and Sheriff's Department. Having "toured" the Columbus vehicle (I think its a Bearcat), they store a bunch of crappie inside for SWAT.
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Didn't see it in any of the footage. Just saw the armored vehicle from Columbus PD and Sheriff's Department. Having "toured" the Columbus vehicle (I think its a Bearcat), they store a bunch of crappie inside for SWAT.
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Chris
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Chris
Panfish ARE delicious, and when your motto is Sit Wait And Talk, might as well have tasty chow...
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Wow. Missed that. New phone auto corrected crap to crappie. Funny.
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https://www.facebook.com/stephanie.clemonsthompson is the facebook account of the lady who posted the "do not share" message, she has locked her account down pretty tightly since that, but it is hers.
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We may never be able to unravel the motive in such a random attack as this. It's best if we don't jump to any conclusions when we see these isolated incidents repeatedly happening.
and why do we need to know the motive? If it looks like a jihadi, acts like a jihadi, and kills like a jihadi, then it probably IS a muslim terrorist.
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Wow. Missed that. New phone auto corrected crap to crappie. Funny.
I thought you were talking about that idiotic movie with the police robots (chappie?). I have heard it referred to as crappie.
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We may never be able to unravel the motive in such a random attack as this. It's best if we don't jump to any conclusions when we see these isolated incidents repeatedly happening.
But if significantly similar incidents (as in mass attacks, perpetrated by Muslim immigrants) occur "repeatedly," is it accurate or correct to label them "isolated"? I know the plural of anecdote is not data, but at what point in the expansion of a consistent pattern do we stop calling them "isolated incidents" and start acknowledging that they are part of a continuing pattern?
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But if significantly similar incidents (as in mass attacks, perpetrated by Muslim immigrants) occur "repeatedly," is it accurate or correct to label them "isolated"? I know the plural of anecdote is not data, but at what point in the expansion of a consistent pattern do we stop calling them "isolated incidents" and start acknowledging that they are part of a continuing pattern?
I suspect zahc was employing a bit of dry humor.
and why do we need to know the motive? If it looks like a jihadi, acts like a jihadi, and kills like a jihadi, then it probably IS a muslim terrorist.
You're just saying he was a Muslim terrorist because he was a Muslim, and a terrorist. That's racist! :lol:
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So on NPR this afternoon, they interviewed the leader of the Somali community in Ohio. He repeatedly condemned the actions of this man and the Somali in MN who did stabbing earlier this year.