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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MillCreek on November 12, 2018, 12:57:18 PM
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When they built our house in the summer of 2015, a smoke detector was installed at the very peak of the cathedral ceiling, 26 feet from the floor in the front door foyer. The hardwired smoke detector is now chirping, some 3.5 years after installation. I am assuming it needs a new 9 volt battery backup. The problem is that I don't have an extension ladder that goes that high. The saving grace to the situation is that my wife cannot hear the chirping, although I and anyone else coming to the house can hear it.
Is this going to continue chirping forever? Other than cursing the person who thought it was a good idea to install a smoke detector that high up, is there anything I can do? I really don't want to buy a 30 foot extension ladder for several hundred dollars and store it for only one use. I have extension ladders that are long enough already for my required outdoor use on the house.
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Got a pellet gun? =D
In all seriousness, I don't think the hardwired ones stop chirping until the backup battery is replaced. My suggestion would be to see if you can rent a ladder* (if you never see the need to owning one of that length), get up there, and disconnect the thing. You can still leave the cover on for aesthetics. Then get yourself a battery smoke detector and mount it in a more reasonable place.
*Or if you can't find one to rent, just bite the bullet and hire a handyman to disconnect it.
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Oops, I thought this was a “what calibre for...” thread.
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My experience says "Yes, it will go on forever." Also, note that some smoke detectors will now chirp when the reach the end of their 10 year life.
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I have a Mr. Longarm fiberglass extension pole and bulb changing kit that I use for the ceiling bulbs. I am trying to figure out if there is any sort of attachment that would work for this.
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I have a Mr. Longarm fiberglass extension pole and bulb changing kit that I use for the ceiling bulbs. I am trying to figure out if there is any sort of attachment that would work for this.
I'm thinking you're out of luck. I've never had a smoke detector where the battery came out or went in easy. In fact many of them have a stupid little rotating battery compartment. I don't see any way for your extension pole to work for that. Also on the hardwired ones, disconnecting often takes two hands.
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Any nearby neighbors that may have a ladder?
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Newer hard-wired smoke detectors are also interconnected. More than likely, disabling one will put the rest of the system into fault mode, and may trigger the entire system.
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I have a Mr. Longarm fiberglass extension pole and bulb changing kit that I use for the ceiling bulbs. I am trying to figure out if there is any sort of attachment that would work for this.
Duct tape and a ball peen hammer.
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Any nearby neighbors that may have a ladder?
None with a ladder that high. Plus, the foyer is about seven feet wide, so I am figuring out that even if I find a long enough ladder, can the base of the ladder be angled out away from the wall a sufficient distance for safety?
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Newer hard-wired smoke detectors are also interconnected. More than likely, disabling one will put the rest of the system into fault mode, and may trigger the entire system.
Ugh. That's a new one on me. Sucks.
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I would also add that when they were building the house and running wiring and drywall for the cathedral areas, and doing the repairs from when the tree fell on the house, they had a scaffold to get up that high. They did not do any ladder work.
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Planning on putting Christmas lights or decorations on your house? Maybe you can kill two birds with one rental.
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Rent a ladder. Better yet, a scissor lift. 26 feet doesn't seem like much looking up. Looking down off a rickety ladder... ? Different story.
Brad
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What Brad said. People are tempted to do something like this, but 30 feet is in the fatal fall category:
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Also check with your local fire department. Some offer smoke detector battery changing as a public service thing.
... and they have ladders.
Brad
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My last 2 chirping smoke alarms needed to have the entire units replaced as they had reached their 10yr life expectancy … most modern household alarms are required to be interconnected which can cause quite a ruckus when all the alarms in the house go off. I believe you can simply disconnect the alarm from the system and remove the battery to silence it. I removed the alarms w/o disturbing the rest in the house simply by disconnecting the ones I was replacing. Took a couple days to get replacements and the other alarms were silent during that period.
[popcorn]
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What Brad said. People are tempted to do something like this, but 30 feet is in the fatal fall category:
Parachute ...
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I guess I am lucky. My Dad is retired from doing commercial and industrial fire protection stuff. He has always had his own extension ladders as well as scrap pipe. Those extension ladders go higher than I would want to climb. The scissor lift idea is great if you can get it into the house.
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Wait! Brainstorm idea!
Make the wall closest to the smoke alarm a climbing wall. Then climb up and change the battery. Success! Thanks me later.
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And I thought the ones mounted on our ~12 foot ceilings were bad.... :facepalm:
Does yours also have a tendency to start chirping at night right after you've just managed to get to sleep?
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I contacted my local fire district. They are happy to come out with their longer ladders and replace the battery. I had the thought of posting this on our neighborhood FB page to see if we can get a bunch of people who need this done. I know I have several neighbors with the same floor plan. I would feel better about taking an engine out of service for more than just me. I am going to try to arrange a weekend date for a week out or so.
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you ought to see if you can replace it with a 10 year battery smoke detector
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you ought to see if you can replace it with a 10 year battery smoke detector
I stopped at Lowe's on the way home, and they were all out of the 10 year lithium 9 volt batteries, so I ordered a two-pack from Amazon.
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you ought to see if you can replace it with a 10 year battery smoke detector
Yup, that's what I do now. Some of the First Alert ones will even fit right into the same mounting plate as the hardwired ones (if First Alert), so just twist old housing off, new housing on, and no drilling.
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Wait! Brainstorm idea!
Make the wall closest to the smoke alarm a climbing wall. Then charge people toclimb up and change the battery. Success! Thanks me later.
FTFH
I'll take my thanks as a cut of the proceeds.
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FYI: From personal experience on a Battery only smoke detector: It started chirping, took out dying battery, kept chirping for almost a WEEK! The chirping part takes VERY little energy and a dying battery will go on FOREVER (it seems).
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FYI: From personal experience on a Battery only smoke detector: It started chirping, took out dying battery, kept chirping for almost a WEEK! The chirping part takes VERY little energy and a dying battery will go on FOREVER (it seems).
If it kept chipping after you took out the battery (which I infer from the sentence*) then it must be a zombie detector. [tinfoil]
* I suspect you mean it chirped a long time before you excised the zombie battery .....
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No, there is a capacitor or such that retains enough power to let the dang thing chirp for DAYS AFTER the battery has been removed!
(edited because I can't spell "is")
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It is always the middle of the night, and it is always the one requiring an extremely tall ladder. Iz phizzics.
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PS: I found removing the battery and then stuffing the beeping thing in an underwear drawer, deep under a large pile of cloth, will make it so you can sleep until you get fresh 9v batteries.
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PPS: I now have a TON of 9v batteries and nothing to use them in as the apartment detectors are battery free, hard wired units!
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No, there is a capacitor or such that retains enough power to let the dang thing chirp for DAYS AFTER the battery has been removed!
(edited because I can't spell "is")
https://youtu.be/juzDIp2KkvA?t=1032
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Be glad it's only chirping.
When I bought my house, I didn't realize the "hard wired" smoke detectors also needed batteries - and when the battery died on one, the alarms ALL went off. At 0200. :facepalm:
I was not happy.
Same thing happened at about the 9 year mark when one of the detectors reached it's end-of-life.
New batch has lasted ~13 years so far, so I'm on borrowed time . . .
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None with a ladder that high. Plus, the foyer is about seven feet wide, so I am figuring out that even if I find a long enough ladder, can the base of the ladder be angled out away from the wall a sufficient distance for safety?
If it can't go any farther then what's the danger? A ladder will work fine vertical if it's adequately secured that way.
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PPS: I now have a TON of 9v batteries and nothing to use them in as the apartment detectors are battery free, hard wired units!
Some TENS units them. The kind that go all the way up to "fleeing felon."
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No, there is a capacitor or such that retains enough power to let the dang thing chirp for DAYS AFTER the battery has been removed!
(edited because I can't spell "is")
High capacity capacitor ....got it.
I can sympathize .... I've gotten to really despise electoniky things that make noises...... >:D
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What Brad said. People are tempted to do something like this, but 30 feet is in the fatal fall category:
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