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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2008, 02:28:22 PM »
MB, your metaphor sucks.

Nobody's killing anybody.

Our "pirate/terrorist" is dissuading rogue nations from harvesting whales illegally.

He's not going after those with host-country permission to do so, nor is he harming humans.

Sometimes the mere presence of that black-painted former British trawler is enough to make the rogue whalers turn tail and head back home. They know they've been exposed, and they have no desire to end up on CNN.  Others take their chances, and get a bottle of rotten butter acid thrown on their deck, or a prop-fouling net thrown under their keels.  That's not good, because if they're dead in the water, they can't escape before the real officials show up to take stock of the situation.

The Japanese?  They'd hunt down every last living thing until they were extinct if they were allowed to do so, just to have another type of sushi on their platters - everything has its price, I discovered that the several times I was on temporary duty in Japan.  Getting the market to disappear by reducing the demand?  Good luck with that.  They'd use the whale oil to make ink for Hentai Tentacle Rape comics long before they'd call it quits on whaling.  The demand is so great, they send illegal fleets out to augment that which they take through sanctioned means. 
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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2008, 02:33:34 PM »
As I said "dead in the water" is a dangerous position to put a ship in. If you foul the prop, it could:

1) Literally kill someone in the engine room if the shaft snaps, since it could come right out of the tunnel
2) Make the ship unable to keep its bow into the waves if a storm comes up, as they do there!

It is putting human lives at risk. Making a ship unable to make way or maneuver is the MOST dangerous thing you could do on the high seas, and should be considered a life-threatening act.

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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2008, 02:40:50 PM »
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It's not occurring in Japanese waters.  That is, unless Japanese waters extend to the Antarctic: http://www.smh.com.au/news/specials/whale-watch/japanese-whaling-fleet-to-return-tomorrow/2008/04/14/1208025076760.html

So.

How about you hunting pirates 50 miles off the Somalian coast, privately?

Do you think that'll be allowed?
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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2008, 02:42:41 PM »
So.

How about you hunting pirates 50 miles off the Somalian coast, privately?

Do you think that'll be allowed?

What are you talking about?

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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2008, 02:43:13 PM »
"How about you hunting pirates 50 miles off the Somalian coast, privately?"

One word.

Exocet.

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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2008, 02:44:16 PM »
You're stretching it a bit there with the cause and effect relationship. 

I mean, really, the rancid butter bombs they're throwing could cause an allergic reaction to a lactose-intolerant deckhand on an illegal Japanese whaler...

If our boy causes physical harm to another human being, he's very much aware that he'll suffer the consequences.

He's a sharp cookie, and knows where that line is.  I give him credit for that, even if he is a product of Greenpeace.

He's even got the Canadian government doing the backstroke after seizing the Farley Mowat.

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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2008, 02:49:25 PM »
"If our boy causes physical harm to another human being, he's very much aware that he'll suffer the consequences."

By making the heaving, slippery deck of a ship at sea even more treacherous? Yeah, really concerned for human life...
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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2008, 02:54:11 PM »
I dunno, maybe rancid butter adds traction to the whale blubber residue already on deck.   =D

Like I said, he makes that mistake, and his whole organization goes down the drain, including whatever publicity the Discovery Channel adds to his cause.  He wouldn't have agreed to the latter if he didn't think it was worth the extra exposure.   
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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2008, 03:23:55 PM »
So.....(since deer season just started in TX) you'd be OK with someone going into the woods and destroying a person's vehicle and/or causing them physical harm as long as they're hunting without a license?...

...what if that person is Glen Campbell?....
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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2008, 03:35:40 PM »
So.....(since deer season just started in TX) you'd be OK with someone going into the woods and destroying a person's vehicle and/or causing them physical harm as long as they're hunting without a license?...

...what if that person is Glen Campbell?....

Moar fail.

In the case of an individual, we have an effective game and wildlife infrastructure to take care of poachers. 

A better analogy would be the Canadian Govt sending groups of hunters into the United States in order to poach our few remaining deer for "scientific research" after harvesting their own.

BTW, this sort of thing has played out in just about every other kind of fishery on the planet.  Cod, Salmon, Tuna, etc have all been poached to seriously low levels by nations who can't get enough and resort to poaching in other nations' waters...

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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2008, 05:02:15 PM »
"I mean, really, the rancid butter bombs they're throwing could cause an allergic reaction to a lactose-intolerant deckhand on an illegal Japanese whaler..."


No butter in them, they're bottles full of butyric acid, which *smells* like rancid butter.

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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2008, 05:17:17 PM »
It would be highly entertaining to see these clowns pull an EPIC FAIL while trying to sink a whaler, and then being used as whale/shark fodder by the men on their intended target.

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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2008, 05:43:18 PM »
MMMMMmmmmm...

Fried cabbage and whale...

Ick. Sounds really fishy, rubbery, and full of mercury (depending on the type of whale.)


I don't like the idea of poaching an animal that is very rare, especially if the consumers are wealthy people with an enormous hunger for seafood. I don't have a problem with the sea shepards, as long as they don't kill anybody.

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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2008, 06:31:35 PM »
I don't understand how they have never been sued.

Didn't the owners of the sunk ships or their insurance companies want to recover the cost?

And this is market-based. What Watson and co. are doing is fighting against the tradegey of the commons.

If these whale pods were privately owned I doubt anyone here would argue against the property owners defending against thieves trying to steal the whales. So is there any real difference because the whales are owned technically by everybody?
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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2008, 06:45:25 PM »
great name for the boat.  the french took care of a boat like this.  and the japanese aren't shy
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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2008, 06:50:23 PM »
Actually, the Rainbow Warrior never used aggression. They just traveled to the spot and tried to get in the way of the French A-tests. So it was not "like" the Sea Shepard.

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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2008, 06:54:08 PM »
the french screwed up when they killed someone sinking it
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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #42 on: November 03, 2008, 07:02:26 PM »
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All a bunch of hype.

I went to the Sea Shepard sites, and visited other sites that report on their activities.

The captain's a sharp cookie.  He goes after rogue whalers operating illegally in protected waters, vs. those with permissions to hunt.....

But but but... Eco-terrorists... hippies... commies...  :rolleyes:
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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #43 on: November 03, 2008, 07:21:35 PM »
the french screwed up when they killed someone sinking it

Yeah, lousy intel. 

Had they have waited, they could've sent ALL of the eco-terrorists to Davy Jone's locker.

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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #44 on: November 03, 2008, 07:22:30 PM »
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I don't understand how they have never been sued.

Didn't the owners of the sunk ships or their insurance companies want to recover the cost?


That's easy.  If there were a lawsuit, and the discovery process revealed that what the whalers (aka, poachers) were doing was illegal, then the negative publicity would cost them more than the missing boats.

So the whalers just grab another boat, and hope that the either the black ship or Coast Guard cutter/equivalent doesn't find them.
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Re: Discovery Channel supports terrorists!
« Reply #45 on: November 04, 2008, 12:25:46 AM »
Yeah, lousy intel. 

Had they have waited, they could've sent ALL of the eco-terrorists to Davy Jone's locker.

Any proof of this "eco-terrorism" on the part of the GreenPeacers? Or maybe you just like the thought of innocent, peaceful, men and women being murdered.
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