New Gun Owners Map Published

[Bigjake]

Thanks, I was just about going to make a similar comment.

brimic:

OTOH, perhaps it is kinda like airliner hijackings pre- and post- 9-11.  Who would have thought the hijackers would deliberately down the plane?  Who would have thought fed.gov would deliberately burn them out(1)?  With kids inside.

Nowadays, we know better.


(1) Anyone with experience with CS or from the midwest (dust-caused grain elevator exposions) knows that particulates + spark/flame + confined space = explosion + fire.

Both of those.   Prior to 9/11,   you didn't have "Never Again"     ( Only now it's "Grab yer ankles)

And on the Fed's understanding FAE,   sure.  .  How's that go again,   never attribute to malice... Hanlon's Razor.

[MechAg94]

Azred baiting aside, there is a pretty large disconnect between the national perception of Texas (and their PR efforts) and the legal realities of fireamrs ownership there. Less so since they got concelaed carry.

That may be true, but we have moved a good bit in the right direction in the last 20 years.  We'll see where the next 20 takes us.  I am amazed we have done as well as we have considering how hard core Democrat some of the urban areas are. 

[roo_ster]

Bring up open carry on the TXCHLForums website and you get a sense of that right there.

What is their problem with open carry?

Don't forget, the Luby's massacre was in Texas at a time that it was a felony to conceal carry.

That was 1991.  Lemme see how many states had shall-issue or constitutional carry?


AZ was just as no-issue as Texas.  VA was may-issue. (How many of those in the wild, held by folks with no political pull, I wonder?).

AZ got shall-issue in 1994, TX and VA in 1995.  VA could not conceal carry in any establishment that served alcohol until a couple years ago.  TX can carry in an estab that serves ETOH unless ETOH is over 50% of the revenue.



The RTC gif, as of 2011:

[seeker_two]

Bring up open carry on the TXCHLForums website and you get a sense of that right there.

This.....esp. considering that there's been little change in the CHL laws over the last 20 years....still have separate qualifications for semiautos & revolvers, no reduction in CHL fees, applications still sent to Austin instead of processed locally, etc.....

[mtnbkr]

VA could not conceal carry in any establishment that served alcohol until a couple years ago.

We could legally open carry, which was the main reason it took so long to get legal CCW in bars.  Back then, I would just pull my cover garment behind the gun so it would be in the open.  Once I left and was back in my car, cover garment was pulled over the gat.

Chris

[MechAg94]

This.....esp. considering that there's been little change in the CHL laws over the last 20 years....still have separate qualifications for semiautos & revolvers, no reduction in CHL fees, applications still sent to Austin instead of processed locally, etc.....

aside from those things, pretty much everything else has changed.  Apps are done online, I haven't had to send in new fingerprints in the last two renewals.  Renewals classes end after 3.  Restricted locations have been reduced.  The penalty for not declaring was removed.  DPS has improved processing.  Also, car concealed carry has become unrestricted. 

If we processed CHL apps locally, I would hate to see what some urban areas would try to do with that.  With one state office, the pro-gun legislators have more stroke in getting changes made.  I would rather see unlimited carry pushed rather than worrying about local processing. 

[Jamisjockey]

What is their problem with open carry?

I've heard all manner of bullshit from the TX shooting establishment.  I honestly believe that it's simple statism.  There is also a robust protectionisim for the CHL "requirements", which includes expensive classes.  Lots of instructors making a living off of the system.....

That was 1991.  Lemme see how many states had shall-issue or constitutional carry?

AZ was just as no-issue as Texas.  VA was may-issue. (How many of those in the wild, held by folks with no political pull, I wonder?).

AZ got shall-issue in 1994, TX and VA in 1995.  VA could not conceal carry in any establishment that served alcohol until a couple years ago.  TX can carry in an estab that serves ETOH unless ETOH is over 50% of the revenue.



The RTC gif, as of 2011:

But AZ was open carry back then.  TX had a convoluted "travelling" law that could get you tossed in jail if you didn't say the right things.

[Monkeyleg]

TX had a convoluted "travelling" law that could get you tossed in jail if you didn't say the right things.

I ran into that on my first motorcycle trip going through Texas. I called the sheriffs department in Amarillo to make sure I would be okay with an unloaded gun in my bag, and was told that I had to be travelling through two counties in the same day to be legal. Never heard of that before.

[Balog]

Kind of pleasently surprised that WA was one of the few Shall Issue states from the start of that timeline to the end.

[Jamisjockey]

I ran into that on my first motorcycle trip going through Texas. I called the sheriffs department in Amarillo to make sure I would be okay with an unloaded gun in my bag, and was told that I had to be travelling through two counties in the same day to be legal. Never heard of that before.

Which was only fixed a few legislative cycle ago. 
Now, it's a pretty good law as far as carry laws go.

[freakazoid]

How far we've come. 

Sure, i will get right on narrating my rebellion with self written confessions, and post video of my activities on youtube.  With complementary google location tracking, too.

I would like to be added to the mailing list please. And your videos have to have the self narration super hero style. 

[MillCreek]

Kind of pleasently surprised that WA was one of the few Shall Issue states from the start of that timeline to the end.

Washington has been 'shall issue' for a pretty long time.  I received my first Washington carry permit in 1981, when I was 21 years old.  Back then, it was called a 'carry concealed weapon' as opposed to the changes made a few years ago, so that we now have a 'concealed pistol license'.

[Tallpine]

I gave my Cliff's Notes version of TX handgun laws to my neighbor yesterday, and she said:  "That's stupid!  That doesn't make any sense!"

Keep in mind that she is not a "gun person" even though she has a few guns.  I have to keep showing her over and over how to load and unload a revolver.

Oh yeah, and I am a native born Texican BTW 

[MechAg94]

Which was only fixed a few legislative cycle ago.  
Now, it's a pretty good law as far as carry laws go.

I am glad they got rid of that one also.  It was screwed up.  

I remember getting told in my first CHL class that without a CHL a cop could stop you on the way to the shooting range if you stopped for gas on the way, since you were no longer going to and from the range.  Some of the lawyerly advice was worse than the actual prosecutions, but everyone was scared of DA's like the one in Houston at the time who was against any car carry.  IMO, it was another one of those old laws that allowed local cops/DA to prosecute anyone they didn't much like. 

[seeker_two]

If we processed CHL apps locally, I would hate to see what some urban areas would try to do with that.  With one state office, the pro-gun legislators have more stroke in getting changes made.  I would rather see unlimited carry pushed rather than worrying about local processing. 

If the regional DPS offices handled the background check the same way they do for driver's licenses, you could walk out of the DPS office with a temp CHL the same way you do a DL....maybe even have your card printed on-site.....instead of waiting 30-60 days for a card w/o carry privileges. Other states seem to manage that just fine....

[erictank]

If the regional DPS offices handled the background check the same way they do for driver's licenses, you could walk out of the DPS office with a temp CHL the same way you do a DL....maybe even have your card printed on-site.....instead of waiting 30-60 days for a card w/o carry privileges. Other states seem to manage that just fine....

VA, starting mid-spring, took every bit of the allowed 90 days for me. Actually went over it, but the mailing envelope was postmarked on the 90th day. Shall-issue, but not quickly AT ALL.

[MechAg94]

If the regional DPS offices handled the background check the same way they do for driver's licenses, you could walk out of the DPS office with a temp CHL the same way you do a DL....maybe even have your card printed on-site.....instead of waiting 30-60 days for a card w/o carry privileges. Other states seem to manage that just fine....

Local DPS might work well.  I thought you meant city/county people.  Certainly stuff like address changes should not have to go to Austin.