Mas Ayoob gives Tallpine a run for his money.

[AZRedhawk44]

Whatever else Ayoob may or may not be, he is part of the "The Thin Blue Line".

^^ This.

[erictank]

Wish he'd kept quiet while he waited for more details - I thought his analysis of the Zimmerman case was pretty much dead-on. This time round? Not so much. Haven't lost ALL respect for him, but this did cost him, in my eyes. As has been remarked already, too much of the "thin blue line" BS going on, IMO.

[DustinD]

He has added a follow up post. He didn't apologise for anything, but he does add more to flesh out his argument.

I wrote the editor of Back Woods Home to complain last night. If he gets fired I will miss his commentaries, but he deserves it.

[AZRedhawk44]

I have it on good authority that Ayoob "monopodded" (grounded the mag and used it as a balance/pivot) his AR at the Appleseed he attended, and did not use the sling properly, and was resistant to learning the technique as presented by the instructor.  He got "called" on it twice and instructed to learn the proper prone sling techniques that function with any rifle (even ones that don't have big box mags sticking out the bottom), but refused to do so.

He's not nearly the genius he is credited with being.


(Yes, monopodding is a legitimate technique, but it's not the course material that Appleseed presents.  Try monopodding a K98 mauser, if that's how you stabilize for a shot.  Monopodding is platform-specific, Appleseed is "any rack grade rifle plus surplus ammo plus competent Rifleman equals 500 yard hits.")

[TechMan]

This guy puts it very well: http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2013/11/08/not-to-get-all-anal-but/#comment-20323

[41magsnub]

As I think about this more, the tone of the post more than anything rubs me wrong.  This isn't funny, amusing, or worthy of being made light of.

[MechAg94]

As I think about this more, the tone of the post more than anything rubs me wrong.  This isn't funny, amusing, or worthy of being made light of.

The post itself I really don't care about other than it is not a humorous story.  What bothered me were the replies in the comments underneath where he seems hell bent on finding some reason why the police in New Mexico might have been justified.  He never quite acknowledges that they really crossed a line.  I can understand that reluctance to blame the cops in a lot of cases, but not this one.  Even if you justify the anal cavity search and xray, the repeated enemas and medical procedure cannot possibly be justified IMO. 

[Balog]

If he was really "waiting to see both sides" then he would have, you know, waited. He starts with the assumption that the cops MUST have been justified, and goes from there. There is an exact analog to the Zimmerman case here, but instead with Mas taking the role of the race hustlers who assumed innocence because one side looks like them. Shameful.

[HankB]

Ayoob can be quite articulate, but as I read through the thread and saw a couple of his replies, I couldn't help but be reminded of our old Iraqi friend, Baghdad Bob . . . who with absolute and utter conviction could insist up is down, left is right, hot is cold, and night is day.

[Stand_watie]

Is/Was Ayoob on the high road? He said he thought he recognized my user name, but I don't remember him posting as anything like massad ayoob.

I don't think we should Zumbo/Metcalf people like Ayoob if they can be reasonably be talked into the civil liberties encampment.

[Fly320s]

Is/Was Ayoob on the high road? He said he thought he recognized my user name, but I don't remember him posting as anything like massad ayoob.

I don't think we should Zumbo/Metcalf people like Ayoob if they can be reasonably be talked into the civil liberties encampment.

I believe he was/is. I've seen is name on a few discussion forums.

[Matthew Carberry]

We do need to keep some perspective here. This is hardly a "Metcalf moment"; he isn't -calling for- this sort of abuse, he is dumb-assedly justifying it out of a misplaced thin blue line reflex.

Distinctions are important, the whole "either you agree with me 100% all the time or you are as bad as the worst anti" thing is BS and counter-productive.

People can simultaneously be right on a lot of stuff, and can have a well-founded position on other stuff which I can disagree with for equally well-founded reasons, and can be flat-out objectively wrong about other stuff.

"Losing -all- respect" for someone based on the latter, when the former reasons for having respect for them still exist, is kinda superficial thinking in my opinion.

[seeker_two]

It's kind of like finding out that your good buddy at the shooting range that taught you how to master clays is a secret supporter of NAMBLA....it pretty well colors whatever good you had in the relationship....

....and I shook the man's hand and thanked him for his contributions at the NRA Convention in Houston. Kinda sours the memory for me....

[Matthew Carberry]

It's kind of like finding out that your good buddy at the shooting range that taught you how to master clays is a secret supporter of NAMBLA....it pretty well colors whatever good you had in the relationship....

....and I shook the man's hand and thanked him for his contributions at the NRA Convention in Houston. Kinda sours the memory for me....

That's more than a bit overwrought.

[MechAg94]

That's more than a bit overwrought.

That may be but this gives a bit of insight into Ayoob's perspective.  The stuff I have listened to him for in the past is not lessons on gun rights. 

[Balog]

That's more than a bit overwrought.

Supporting cops anally raping people may not be quite as bad as supporting non cops raping children, but it's hardly in a different hemisphere.

[Sergeant Bob]

I was only referencing the puns.

Sorry, I was kinda stewing about the content and didn't even notice the puns.

[Balog]

I sent Tam a link and asked what her thoughts were, no word yet.

[roo_ster]

So, Mas is a wagon circle-er WRT LEOs.  Not a big surprise there, some animals being more equal than others, and the LEO fraternity thinking itself more equaler than most.

Just goes to show: Don't start getting all cult-y and hero-worshippy on folks.  They are bound to disappoint in some way.  Doesn't make Mas's use of force analysis bunk, but gives a look-see at the crooked timbers in his makeup.

FTR, his "the LEOs were doing it all for hte benefit of the suspect's health" explanation is laughable and unworthy of anyone with an IQ above room temp.

[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

Yes. He should be Zumbo'ed. Ayoob just let us all know where he stands on rights. As in, if cops do it, it's ok. Anything else he shovels about CCW or training is 100% to line his pockets. Just like CCW instructors who were against constitutional carry in my state, for the sole reason of it would cut into their $$$.

[Balog]

Dumbo had a lot of great hunting advice too, doesn't make me sorry he got tarred and feathered.

[Matthew Carberry]

So, Mas is a wagon circle-er WRT LEOs.  Not a big surprise there, some animals being more equal than others, and the LEO fraternity thinking itself more equaler than most.

Just goes to show: Don't start getting all cult-y and hero-worshippy on folks.  They are bound to disappoint in some way.  Doesn't make Mas's use of force analysis bunk, but gives a look-see at the crooked timbers in his makeup.

FTR, his "the LEOs were doing it all for hte benefit of the suspect's health" explanation is laughable and unworthy of anyone with an IQ above room temp.

This is my point.

This isn't evidence vis a vis his take on "rights", to say that is to be so imprecise as to be asinine. This is evidence of his gaping hole in comprehending that a particular given law enforcement situation, among millions of others, doesn't justify the lengths to which those cops went.

Emotion has only one purpose in the mind, to alert us that there are situations needing the application of cold, emotionless reason. Once a problem is identified, emotion needs to sit down and shut up lest it lead to bad reasoning.

Such as getting overwrought and going full Zumbo on every damn thing.