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Wesley Clark calls for opening concentration camps
« on: July 21, 2015, 02:07:51 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaPwqokBn9M

I especially enjoy the part where he says Germany should start some new camps. What is it with liberals and wanting to put people into the camps?
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2015, 02:18:23 PM »
They have to go with what they know

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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2015, 02:26:33 PM »
They have to go with what they know

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Re: Wesley Clark calls for opening concentration camps
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2015, 03:41:16 PM »

Wesley Clark nearly caused WW3. He ordered British troops to attack Russian troops. Because Russia was doing what it wanted to do without asking us for permission. The British declined. Unlike Wesley Clark, I explored the formerly Russian held facility that nearly caused WW3. Short of a very significant number of bunker busters, a lot of people would have died taking that facility. It was well constructed, with blast doors everywhere. I am not sure what was in the basement (Russians cleared out everything), but I suspect there was stuff there we would have not wanted released.

Under no circumstances should Mr. Clark have any position of authority.
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Re: Wesley Clark calls for opening concentration camps
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2015, 06:08:27 PM »
Who gets to define "radical" for purposes of internment?  Should I go buy foil for my new fedora? 
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Re: Wesley Clark calls for opening concentration camps
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2015, 06:13:47 PM »
Wesley Clark nearly caused WW3. He ordered British troops to attack Russian troops. Because Russia was doing what it wanted to do without asking us for permission. The British declined. Unlike Wesley Clark, I explored the formerly Russian held facility that nearly caused WW3. Short of a very significant number of bunker busters, a lot of people would have died taking that facility. It was well constructed, with blast doors everywhere. I am not sure what was in the basement (Russians cleared out everything), but I suspect there was stuff there we would have not wanted released.

Under no circumstances should Mr. Clark have any position of authority.

He was an idiot then and that fact has not changed.
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Re: Wesley Clark calls for opening concentration camps
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2015, 06:19:08 PM »
He was an idiot then and that fact has not changed.
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Re: Wesley Clark calls for opening concentration camps
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2015, 07:34:15 PM »
Wesley Clark nearly caused WW3. He ordered British troops to attack Russian troops. Because Russia was doing what it wanted to do without asking us for permission. The British declined. Unlike Wesley Clark, I explored the formerly Russian held facility that nearly caused WW3. Short of a very significant number of bunker busters, a lot of people would have died taking that facility. It was well constructed, with blast doors everywhere. I am not sure what was in the basement (Russians cleared out everything), but I suspect there was stuff there we would have not wanted released.

Under no circumstances should Mr. Clark have any position of authority.

When did this happen?  If you have any info on it I'd like to see it.
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Re: Wesley Clark calls for opening concentration camps
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2015, 07:52:37 PM »
When did this happen?  If you have any info on it I'd like to see it.
--BTW I am not doubting you, I am curious about what happened and would like to learn more about it.

I think he's talking about this incident:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_at_Pristina_airport

IIRC, this was his last hooray before being asked (made) to retire.
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Re: Wesley Clark calls for opening concentration camps
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2015, 08:55:50 PM »
When did this happen?  If you have any info on it I'd like to see it.
--BTW I am not doubting you, I am curious about what happened and would like to learn more about it.

Wikipedia has the majority of the details.

First, Clark wanted to invade Kosovo ahead of international agreements. Granted, Russia was invading ahead of schedule because Slavic racial solidarity and took the airport. A British general drank with the Russian general, which naturally smoothed over the bad relations. Naturally, Clark was furious at things working out and going smoothly, thus furiously tried to piss off Russia or start a war by blockading them.  British general told him to go have relations with himself. General Shelton fired Clark and everyone rejoiced.  

That's the public story. And is true. Wesley Clark through incompetence or glory seeking tried to get the British to antagonize or start a shooting war with Russia, while he was safely out of harm's way down in FYROM. Because it'd make a better book or he figured it was a shoe in for the Presidency or who knows what. Clark could given Marcus Crassus lessons on ego, glory seeking and incompetency.

If you read the official entry carefully, you'll notice that for all the shenanigans at the airport, it doesn't mention the Russians being at the airport, right? Because they weren't at the airport, they were across the street.  Fire up Google Maps and slap in "Pristina Airport". Look slightly to the west. Notice some oddly straight roads that seem to go... nowhere?  Well, not quite.



Yeah, that's an underground Cold War era air base. Inside that hill. The British had no chance of rooting the VDV out of that facility. Yugoslavia built it back in the day. Maybe. That facility is what the Russians seized and occupied. Honestly have no idea why. Could be it had something they wanted, could be they just knew it was a very secure location next to the only major airfield in Kosovo. They might have been willing to start WW3 over it, or maybe they were just rushing to defend their Slavic brothers. No one aside from the Russians know, as far as I've been able to figure out.
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Re: Wesley Clark calls for opening concentration camps
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2015, 12:02:36 AM »
 :facepalm:

Well .... I never thought we'd field a general worse than George Armstrong Custer.



It appears I was wrong.


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Re: Wesley Clark calls for opening concentration camps
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2015, 12:07:24 AM »
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Re: Wesley Clark calls for opening concentration camps
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2015, 05:03:20 PM »
It was Yugoslavia that Saddam Hussein turned to, for advice, help and construction of his bunkers.

That aside, Clark certainly points out that there is an issue with muslims here, and aside from him, no one wants to even admit that we have within our borders, millions of young, willing, dedicated and indoctrinated nascent jihadists.

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Re: Wesley Clark calls for opening concentration camps
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2015, 06:44:37 PM »
It was Yugoslavia that Saddam Hussein turned to, for advice, help and construction of his bunkers.

That aside, Clark certainly points out that there is an issue with muslims here, and aside from him, no one wants to even admit that we have within our borders, millions of young, willing, dedicated and indoctrinated nascent jihadists.

Millions of jihadists?  :rofl:
Bull.
At worst there might be a few thousand who would be willing to carry out jihad.
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Re: Wesley Clark calls for opening concentration camps
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2015, 06:59:43 PM »
Millions of jihadists?  :rofl:
Bull.
At worst there might be a few thousand who would be willing to carry out jihad.

While I think your estimate on numbers is more reasonable I  still think that "a few thousand"  could cause a very, very serious set of deadly problems (I almost dare not call it problems.....)  in America.
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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2015, 02:19:35 PM »
The policy isn't wrong, just the people in charge.

Please elucidate your thoughts.

Seriously, are you advocating for concentration camps, as long as they're filled with the people you're scared of?
I do hope you're being tongue-in-cheek.

That aside, Clark certainly points out that there is an issue with muslims here, and aside from him, no one wants to even admit that we have within our borders, millions of young, willing, dedicated and indoctrinated nascent jihadists.

Wow, man.  Are you for real?

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Re: Wesley Clark calls for opening concentration camps
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2015, 02:23:46 PM »
Millions of jihadists?  :rofl:
Bull.
At worst there might be a few thousand who would be willing to carry out jihad.

Meh. Being willing to strap on a suicide vest or do a Mumbai style hit and run? Not many. Being willing to give money to groups that support those who do that sort things, or close community ranks around radicals? Probably a lot. Compare the community support for the IRA vs the number of active fighters during the Troubles.
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