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Re: Question for the smart types - security cameras
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2016, 04:29:45 PM »

(Also, would like to very much point out I Forest Whitaker Eyed the cable. Not anything to do with AmbulanceDriver.)
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Re: Question for the smart types - security cameras
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2016, 09:35:44 AM »
So the box arrived last night.....   First off, the cables are absolute crap.  Before I go running wires throughout my attic, I will definitely be getting a 1000' drum of good stuff, some BNC compression fittings, etc....   Kinda pissed that I have to go drop more coin on cabling that *should* have come with and been good enough, but whatever.

Threw one of the cameras up on an exterior wall, and was amazed at the quality - even at night.  IR LED's do of course generate a hell of a hot spot in the center of the image, with coverage being a little meager towards the edges....   Curious to see what the daytime imagery looks like.   

Software is a little cumbersome - there's not a ton of text to be input, but the "virtual keyboard" you can use via mouse is clunky at best.   Hopefully I'll be able to start testing out the remote viewing software (both for PC and mobile) this evening.   
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Re: Question for the smart types - security cameras
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2016, 09:41:32 AM »
One of the cool features I did see last night is the ability to configure multiple motion detection "zones" on each camera.   So a sample configuration would be in zone 1, it starts recording (and it pre-records  - I set mine to record for 10 seconds before the trigger happened).  once it sees motion in zone 2, it will continue to record and send me an alert - including a picture of the trigger event.   So if it's the UPS man dropping a box on the porch, I can ignore it.   If it's some jackwagon with a crowbar and a mask, I can call the po-po from wherever I'm at.
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Re: Question for the smart types - security cameras
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2016, 11:31:09 AM »
Hopefully I'll be able to start testing out the remote viewing software (both for PC and mobile) this evening.

Just listen to Art Bell and you won't need software for that.

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Re: Question for the smart types - security cameras
« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2016, 11:20:24 PM »
Giga has had good luck with Foscom.

Yeah, NOPE!  We have to keep this PG-13... so, uh... I'd rather manscape with a lighter than deal with Foscam junk again.

I'll post a longer response once I've read the full threat.  I just thought that particular topic deserved its own post.

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Re: Question for the smart types - security cameras
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2016, 11:52:22 PM »
OK, so here's my long schpeel on cameras.

I'll never run a coax system again.  Holy balls did I hate them.  We used to have one and the cable sucks to run, it sucks to diagnose signal problems, and crimping it, for some reason, is just way more twitchy than ethernet. Ethernet cameras are just way more flexible.  If you decide you want two where you had one drop a switch in and there you go.  With coax you're going to run a whole new string again and getting power to coax cameras generally sucked.  The POE (Power Over Ethernet) makes things a lot easier.

I'd never run a security cam over wireless again.  I've tried it.. hated it.  Basically my NVR software (BlueCherry) really hates a camera flaking out for a bit, and wireless will do that here and there, so I just avoid it.

As to cameras, here's what I like. Axis M1011 and M1013s were my go to when I didn't want to deal with POE and needed a "cheap" camera.  The older M1011 was 640x480 and the M1013s are 800x600 resolution.  They work and they're about $115 a pop.  ACTi is what I use for outdoor bullet cameras with POE capability.  They're not cheap, basically around $300 for a 3 megapixel camera and $500ish for a  5 megapixel camera.  I think RevDisk recommended them to me.  They work. Rock solid since the day of install.

I also have a few TP-Link dome cameras inside which are POE. They sorta sucked for the first year with random blacking out but a firmware upgrade fixed that.  I'm pleased with them but probably wouldn't bother buying more of them.

One thing I've been very surprised with is an Amcrest camera (specifically Amcrest IP3M-954E) which is a 3MP bullet camera rated for outdoor.  Basically the same as my $300ish ACTi cameras but only costs $99.  It actually works, the camera management software is very functional (better than ACTi, not as cool as Axis) and the thing actually stays on.  I have only a small sample size of 1 but I bought another already and I'm probably going to use these to finally cover our entire retail floor in cameras.  That's 8 acres of space for those of you knew to the board. 

Of course cameras aside what the heck to you record it to?  I really like BlueCherry. It's cheap, it works, and they're constantly making it better.  I think I've paid right around $600 for the software to run 48 cameras.  It scales down to home users too.  As long as you don't need support it's basically a one time fee.  The only sticky wicket there is you need a Linux box to run the software and that's probably NOT something most home users want to muck with.

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Re: Question for the smart types - security cameras
« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2016, 03:27:46 PM »
Giga, that sounds about what I thought. Tho thought you seemed happy enough with the Foscams for a while. I've been leery of them. I concur that ACTi is my cheapest pro grade go-to, but some consumer stuff is started to catch up. A lot of the cam makers have been skimping on the software side for a long time. Lots of crap looking and crap security even on expensive webcams. You're going to have better looking software on consumer grade stuff for a long time. In five-ten years, it'll catch up because consumer cams will eat enough pro cam's revenue enough for them to start caring again. IP is still a hundred times better than coax.
 
BlueCherry is nice. Synology has a built in camera package that's alright but annoying to use on Windows 10 and licenses are more expensive than I'd like. $50 per camera, but with two free licenses. Zoneminder is open source, and worth checking out. It can be a bit twitchy, but it's free so...
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