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« Reply #50 on: June 06, 2005, 11:03:36 AM »
I'm just gonna chime in with this one little thing.

I'm not a big fan of moral relativism.  My moral standpoint has always been that of the Non-Aggression Principle.  

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No human being has the right  under any circumstances  to initiate force against another human being, nor to threaten or delegate its initiation.
As a result, I have serious moral qualms with those who would use the law to punish or forbid actions that have no defineable victim.

Does this put me in the position of having to tolerate people that engage in behavior that I personally do not like?  Sure.   But I'm more than willing to tolerate the overweight thirty year old who still lives in his mom's basement and watches hentai if he's willing to tolerate the fact that I'm armed to the teeth.

Ultimately, liberty is nothing more than a five-dollar word for mutual toleration.  And in the end, I don't think there's anything more civilized than that.
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« Reply #51 on: June 06, 2005, 12:45:52 PM »
Interesting take in taking the disembodied voice from a fringe group and connecting it to a crackdown on websites.

Trouble is I think the decision has already been made to clamp control of all kinds over the internet.  McShame-MyGold is the legislative reason for restricting political free speech.  Each and every state wants to tax the living snot out of internet transactions.  The federal election commission wants to clamp down on political free speech.  The ruling elites want it controlled for their purposes because the internet sunk a presidential candidate.

I agree with your assessment that the internet will be controlled, but your reasoning differs from mine.  BillyBob from FRC is not the problem.  Getting huffy with BillyBob is misplaced anger.  The problem is with a federal and state government that just can not tolerate unfettered speech.  Get angry with the cause of the problem not some moralistic group that dares to speak.
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« Reply #52 on: June 06, 2005, 02:55:37 PM »
Nightfall:  Several years in LE personally.  Worked vice.  Have extensive friendships that have endured in LE after I left.  

Some folks are wholehearted willing participants in the production of porn.  Various reasons.
Some folks are not.  Some find it an easy way to finance/further addictions.  Some are used for other purposes, such as illegal immigrants falling into the hands of nefarious characters, the end result being held for prostitution.  The porn biz is not all roses and steak.  I was in Vegas when they had their "Oscar" awards one year while attending CES.  No one said smut is not without some professionalism.  But it's like anything else.  There are abuses and not all are willing participants.  Some participants that I spoke with are not on the list for entrance to Yale.  I am not campaigning to end the porn biz, do not stand on streetcorner handing out tracts, nor firebomb studios.  I guess I just believe one's life should be expended trying to find a way to be of value to ones self by elevating the "conversation".

I just, frankly, from having to deal with the low end of human nature, find it difficult to define a redeeming feature in porn other than degrading folks.  Just my opinion.  I think I'm entitled to that based on some first hand experiance, and will stand the flack when I express myself.  

Having said that, I am not an advocate of censorship or controlling the internet either.  The internet may be the only truly free place left in the world.  My rationale for speaking out  comes more from the direction of having been closely associated with those who are engaged in seeing to the needs of those who require drugs, sex for hire, porn and the like.  I think parents should more closely moniter their kids.  But I have seen a society that puts more value on personal satiation, be it career, booze, drugs, porn or just plain lazy indiference.  There are monsters out there that will use whatever methodology it takes to dignify the low end of human existance.  I What's the answer?  I don't know, vices have always been with us.  It just comes down to a spark has to ignite somewhere in an individual.  As Blackburn said, it's about hearts and minds, not laws.  

 I have also been aquainted with those who work with wreckage from that busines as well as others such as addicts and prostitutes.   Like in all things, some don't seem to be phased or troubled about those activities.  At the end of the day however, I have never seen folks engaged in the vices having much else on their mind than making money any way they could and damn the consequences.
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« Reply #53 on: June 06, 2005, 03:17:31 PM »
If porn is such a fine upstanding business and those involved are all willing and  respectable folks who just like to perform intimate acts for strangers to watch, why do we have a two page thread on what a slut Paris Hilton is?

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« Reply #54 on: June 06, 2005, 04:15:28 PM »
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why do we have a two page thread on what a slut Paris Hilton is?
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« Reply #55 on: June 06, 2005, 04:40:30 PM »
Thanks for the reply, grampster. You did say some things in that post I can agree with. My defense of pornography doesn't stem from some idea that it's a perfect business filled with nothing but the most sterling examples of morality. It does seem to attract some really, really horrible people. Like everything else, I just want to see it free from government meddling, and let it be a private transaction between consenting adults. I want to see changes like you desire coming from an individual level, through spreading the word and changing the mind with debate, rather than a Fed with a SMG and a mandate. Nothing but trouble results from the later, and I believe the former to be the only way to really effect long term change.
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« Reply #56 on: June 06, 2005, 06:24:49 PM »
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If porn is such a fine upstanding business and those involved are all willing and  respectable folks who just like to perform intimate acts for strangers to watch, why do we have a two page thread on what a slut Paris Hilton is?
Not sure what your point is.  Paris isn't in the porn industry.  She's just a rich skinny bimbo who got caught on tape.  People don't like her... because she's a rich skinny bimbo.