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Re: Finally saw The Ghost and the Darkness...
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2008, 02:46:19 PM »
I don't get it.  Did lions find Ghandi after that or what?  Why don't they gang up and kill people by the dozens now?

They still do on occasion.

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While lions do not usually hunt people, some (usually males) seem to seek out human prey; well-publicized cases include the Tsavo maneaters, where 28 railway workers were taken by lions over nine months during the construction of a railway bridge over the Tsavo River in Kenya in 1898, and the 1991 Mfuwe man-eater, which killed six people in the Laungwa River Valley in Zambia.[111] In both, the hunters who killed the lions wrote books detailing the animals' predatory behavior. The Mfuwe and Tsavo incidents bear similarities: the lions in both incidents were larger than normal, lacked manes, and seemed to suffer from tooth decay. The infirmity theory, including tooth decay, is not favored by all researchers. An analysis of teeth and jaws of man-eating lions in museum collections suggests that, while tooth decay may explain some incidents, prey depletion in human-dominated areas is a more likely cause of lion predation on humans.[112] In their analysis of Tsavo and man-eating generally, Peterhans and Gnoske acknowledge that sick or injured animals may be more prone to man-eating, but that the behavior is "not unusual, nor necessarily 'aberrant'" where the opportunity exists; if inducements such as access to livestock or human corpses are present, lions will regularly prey upon human beings. The authors note that the relationship is well-attested amongst other pantherines and primates in the paleontological record.[113]

The lion's proclivity for man-eating has been systematically examined. American and Tanzanian scientists report that man-eating behavior in rural areas of Tanzania increased greatly from 1990 to 2005. At least 563 villagers were attacked and many eaten over this perioda number far exceeding the more famed "Tsavo" incidents of a century earlier. The incidents occurred near Selous National Park in Rufiji District and in Lindi Province near the Mozambican border. While the expansion of villagers into bush country is one concern, the authors argue that conservation policy must mitigate the danger because, in this case, conservation contributes directly to human deaths. Cases in Lindi have been documented where lions seize humans from the center of substantial villages.[114]

Author Robert R. Frump wrote in The Man-eaters of Eden that Mozambican refugees regularly crossing Kruger National Park at night in South Africa are attacked and eaten by the lions; park officials have conceded that man-eating is a problem there. Frump believes thousands may have been killed in the decades after apartheid sealed the park and forced the refugees to cross the park at night. Mozambicans had for nearly a century before the border was sealed regularly walked across the park in daytime with little harm.[115]

Packer estimates more than 200 Tanzanians are killed each year by lions, crocodiles, elephants, hippos and snakes, and that the numbers could be double that amount, with lions thought to kill at least 70 of those. Packer and Ikanda are among the few conservationists who believe western conservation efforts must take account of these matters not just because of ethical concerns about human life, but also for the long term success of conservation efforts and lion preservation.[114]

A man-eating lion was killed by game scouts in Southern Tanzania in April 2004. It is believed to have killed and eaten at least 35 people in a series of incidents covering several villages in the Rufiji Delta coastal region.[116][117] Dr Rolf D. Baldus, the GTZ wildlife programme coordinator, commented that it was likely that the lion preyed on humans because it had a large abscess underneath a molar which was cracked in several places. He further commented that "This lion probably experienced a lot of pain, particularly when it was chewing."[118] GTZ is the German development cooperation agency and has been working with the Tanzanian government on wildlife conservation for nearly two decades. Like in other cases this lion was large, lacked a mane, and had a tooth problem.

The "All-Africa" record of man-eating generally is considered to be not Tsavo, but the lesser-known incidents in the late 1930s through the late 1940s in what was then Tanganyika (now Tanzania). George Rushby, game warden and professional hunter, eventually dispatched the pride, which over three generations is thought to have killed and eaten 1,500 to 2,000 in what is now Njombe district.[119]

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Re: Finally saw The Ghost and the Darkness...
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2008, 02:58:24 PM »
Thanks.  I'm oddly relieved.

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Re: Finally saw The Ghost and the Darkness...
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2008, 03:01:49 PM »
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You can catch "Lair of the White Worm" for an truely dreadful day of movies on TV.

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Re: Finally saw The Ghost and the Darkness...
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2008, 03:08:19 PM »
I saw the movie and read the book.  Truly, there was no good reason to insert the big fictional bits.  The reality was quite dramatic in and of itself.

On its own merits, the movie was pretty good, though some of the effects were less than satisfying.  As folks say, "Not as good as the book."
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Re: Finally saw The Ghost and the Darkness...
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2008, 06:44:33 PM »
I don't get it.  Did lions find Ghandi after that or what?  Why don't they gang up and kill people by the dozens now?


Lions still kill folks.  I think this case was just a bigger story, because it was unusual for two lions to terrorize one area for so long, killing so many people.  Plus, it caught the attention of the British Empire, because it was holding up their railroad construction, right?  I think it was also unusual for the lions to bring "trophies" back to their den.  But maybe that's just something from the movie, or maybe I am all wrong.   undecided
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Re: Finally saw The Ghost and the Darkness...
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2008, 07:42:45 PM »
As I recall, the Field Museum site shows the actual "trophy" cave, along with two modern day investigators who rediscovered it.  I think it was supposed to be real.

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Re: Finally saw The Ghost and the Darkness...
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2008, 11:49:46 PM »
Lesson learned from "Lair of the White Worm"...when dangled above the open maw of a huge albino snake beast, do not let go with your good hand while the other is being sawed off.

Why do those stuffed lions look like giant mutant rats?
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Re: Finally saw The Ghost and the Darkness...
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2008, 04:20:44 AM »
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Why do those stuffed lions look like giant mutant rats?

No manes for one thing, and if you look at the photo and compare it to the mounts the mounts came out a little smaller than the lions were in real life. Apparently the hides were in pretty rough shape when the zoo received them.

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Re: Finally saw The Ghost and the Darkness...
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2008, 06:01:52 AM »
Here is the real story........ http://robroy.dyndns.info/tsavo/tsavo+pics.html   chris3

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Re: Finally saw The Ghost and the Darkness...
« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2008, 07:23:07 AM »
You guys want some good lion-munching people action, read Death in the Long Grass, by Capstick.  Creepy stuff there.