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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2011, 01:04:14 AM »
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Wonder how long that duty tour will last, now that word is out.

About this long.  They canned him.

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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2011, 09:10:16 AM »
Remember, this video was brought to your screen by the same U.S. Navy that produced the Tailhook "scandal" several years ago. No doubt this particular officer, as a Top Gun pilot, was a participant in many Tailhook events, probably including THE Tailhook event.

There was a lot of ink wasted on how the Navy was going to clean up their act after that, too.

Nothing has changed.
Tailhook was in 1991.  That is a bit more than just "several" years ago.  If this guy has put in over 20 years, he "might" be a participant, but that is a stretch.

I haven't watched the video, but just the idea of soldiers misbehaving fills me with boredom.  It is getting to the point that we are expecting our soldiers to be both puritan and PC at all times on and off duty. 
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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2011, 09:13:38 AM »
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20110105/NEWS01/701059871/1122

An article in my local paper about this.  Some comments from some of the local retired O-6's, including the former CO of the USS Stennis.
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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2011, 09:26:30 AM »
really good point made about how he was only the xo then. and that a few other officers had to see that including the co and the resident jag folks on board and no one squawked till now.  he is the scapegoat just a higher ranking one than usual.  they couldn't find a way to pin this on an enlisted guy.  its possible this is political aimed at the co back then  it gets ugly at that rank .

or ot could be he was given too much leeway back then till it was too late and that till now the ring knockers were able to sit on it
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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2011, 11:38:05 AM »
I haven't watched the video, but just the idea of soldiers misbehaving fills me with boredom.  It is getting to the point that we are expecting our soldiers to be both puritan and PC at all times on and off duty. 

I share both sentiments. 

Folks in such conditions develop an odd sense of humor, if they did not have one already.  My sense of humor was already a bit off and after being in the service, it was REALLY off, relative to the humor-less bluenoses & PC enforcers.  I guess I'm just lucky easy access to digital video cameras was not common when I was in, 'cause I participated in some wierdly funny stuff in addition to the black/bleak comedy of my military duties.

he is the scapegoat just a higher ranking one than usual.  they couldn't find a way to pin this on an enlisted guy.

Ayup.  Seen that happen a few times.

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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2011, 11:45:37 AM »
The end result is inevitable, we will go to war with spineless weasels in command that are afraid to make any decision unless that decision involves petty tyranny aimed at their subordinates to ensure that every niggling rule is followed. Low morale and a skipper scared to make any decision or to stick their neck out one bit for their crew. Just what we need.
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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2011, 11:57:33 AM »
The end result is inevitable, we will go to war with spineless weasels in command that are afraid to make any decision unless that decision involves petty tyranny aimed at their subordinates to ensure that every niggling rule is followed. Low morale and a skipper scared to make any decision or to stick their neck out one bit for their crew. Just what we need.

Are you saying our soldiers can't overcome that!?!? We have the best military in the world, are you saying we can't deal with our commanders being overly concerned about enforcing PC attitudes and still be the best in the world?

You must have a very low opinion of our fighting men!!!

(Note: this post was tongue-in-cheek and parody of the arguments I've seen about forcing other stupidity -not here mentioned as to avoid one of the features of APS- on our military.)
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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2011, 12:27:09 PM »
A radio news break indicated that the officer had been punished for the video 4 years ago already.  I'm not sure if that is true or not.  If so, it just underscores the politics of this.

I agree that our military personnel can overcome a lot, but encourages this only ensures that we go into the next war with the worst officer corps we can get. 
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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2011, 07:22:43 AM »
Perhaps as the closing note - a kist of the all-time most epic fails of the military in recent history.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/01/gun-meet-foot-7-top-officers-epic-implosions/?pid=344&viewall=true

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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2011, 01:01:59 PM »
A related posting:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=27652.0
Why Our Best Officers Are Leaving (The US Military)
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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2011, 04:42:07 PM »
Are you saying our soldiers can't overcome that!?!? We have the best military in the world, are you saying we can't deal with our commanders being overly concerned about enforcing PC attitudes and still be the best in the world?

There's a HUGE difference between officers trying to force the enlisted personnel to be totally PC, versus the command ranks trying to be "just one of the boys" and actively generating and distributing videos that are demeaning and derogatory ... not to mention just plain gutter trash.

As one of the comments in that article said: The commander is not the enlisted personnel's friend, he (or she) is their boss.
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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2011, 05:33:55 PM »
Was he trying to be "One of the boys" by putting those out. I don't think so. Simply because you are someones boss doesn't mean you have to be an ass and unapproachable.
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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2011, 07:48:24 PM »
Are you saying our soldiers can't overcome that!?!? We have the best military in the world, are you saying we can't deal with our commanders being overly concerned about enforcing PC attitudes and still be the best in the world?

You must have a very low opinion of our fighting men!!!

(Note: this post was tongue-in-cheek and parody of the arguments I've seen about forcing other stupidity -not here mentioned as to avoid one of the features of APS- on our military.)

Tongue in cheek noted, but yes we can go to war with bull dykes and frontline fairies and do just fine. We've been doing it.


There's a HUGE difference between officers trying to force the enlisted personnel to be totally PC, versus the command ranks trying to be "just one of the boys" and actively generating and distributing videos that are demeaning and derogatory ... not to mention just plain gutter trash.

As one of the comments in that article said: The commander is not the enlisted personnel's friend, he (or she) is their boss.

It matters not that what happened here is mildly offensive, what matters is a minor infraction from 4 years ago can stop the career of someone who is presumably one of the 12 most tactically proficient aviation O-6s in the Navy. The survivors of the peer group will just make life unbearable for their commands. I've worked for the old line COs that could give a flying #$% less about crap like this and I've worked for Captain Queeg come lately. Guess who we will get more of. Guess who will be more likely to stifle initiative, hazard the vessel, and in general just screw up more. The minds that produce raunchy Youtube videos are often the same ones that have enough creativity and drive to be more dangerous to our enemies than to our own ships.

Several years ago we had a safety standdown followed by a Christmas party. Of course the safety standdown included State Trooper Smiley and his drinking and driving lecture. Then we had a Christmas party at the O club, the skipper bought into the open bar for $1000 of his own money and the XO helped. Later we had a BS DUI(guy was sitting in his car in the parking lot, not driving) from this. By these standards that this current incident codifies the CO should have been relieved. Nevermind that he flies pretty much anything and flies it well. Nevermind that he has had several successful commands, he's gotta go.
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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2011, 07:58:03 PM »
The minds that produce raunchy Youtube videos are often the same ones that have enough creativity and drive to be more dangerous to our enemies than to our own ships.
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2011, 08:29:13 PM »
Good ol' safety standdown. Having to watch video after video. For the anti-driving-while-texting, I had to sit through a bunch of British videos,  [barf]
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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2011, 11:44:52 PM »
Was he trying to be "One of the boys" by putting those out. I don't think so. Simply because you are someones boss doesn't mean you have to be an ass and unapproachable.

I really don't think they teach that philosophy at Annapolis.
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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2011, 12:46:33 AM »
I really don't think they teach that philosophy at Annapolis.

And thankfully not all of our officers come from there.

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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2011, 01:46:51 AM »
Why is it the Squids can't go for more than six months without some sort of scandal that makes national headlines?
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Re: How to be a Navy 0-6 and flush your career down the toilet
« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2011, 08:10:55 AM »
Simply because you are someones boss doesn't mean you have to be an ass and unapproachable.

It also doesn't mean you have to be an ass and inappropriate.
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