Questionable climate change data?

[MillCreek]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444668/whistle-blower-scientist-exposes-shoddy-climate-science-noaa

Who'd a thunk it?

[Ben]

There are a bunch of people like Karl in the organization, sadly at higher administrative levels spending more time working on their SES promotion than doing science. There are also a lot of people like Bates, sadly, mostly at operational levels. Good on Bates for stepping up.

This is an excellent example of what far too many people involved in climate science in the gov and academia do - prove the hypothesis vs disproving the null hypothesis. Especially those involved in climate science that have no background in climate science. The biologists involved in "ZOMG the corals are dying" are the worst.

[Ron]

  I'm shocked I say, shocked!




 

[AJ Dual]

I  keep arguing with my somewhat libertarian-left co-worker (oxymoronic IMO) who is convinced MMGW is gospel, that if the elites REALLY BELIEVED IT, they'd be pushing nuclear, buying land at higher altitude, or away from the coasts, divesting from threatened holdings etc. But there's no pattern of this happening, other than some carbon-credit scammers like Gore.

[230RN]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444668/whistle-blower-scientist-exposes-shoddy-climate-science-noaa

Who'd a thunk it?

I, among many others with even a moderate, but honest, statistical bent, thunk it.

[MechAg94]

I guess I would ask if there is any climate change data that is not questionable? 

Anyone who paid attention even back in the 90's saw that all the doom and gloom stuff was never supported by real data.  It was only the climate models with variables rigged and outcomes forced that showed the predicted disasters. 

[Hawkmoon]

I guess I would ask if there is any climate change data that is not questionable? 

Anyone who paid attention even back in the 90's saw that all the doom and gloom stuff was never supported by real data.  It was only the climate models with variables rigged and outcomes forced that showed the predicted disasters. 

^^^ This.

I know I've said this enough that I sound like a broken record but all it takes to see through the idiocy is to remember middle school world history. The Vikings settled on Greenland because it was, like, green -- they established an agrarian (farming) society that flourished for 500 years. They left Greenland in the 1400s because it became too cold.

As far as I know, it's not warm enough yet to be farming on Greenland, so as far as I'm concerned we're still just normalizing the cycles. If it ever gets too hot to farm on Grenland, then we can discuss global warming.

[MechAg94]

And since then it has come out that the hockey stick graph people threw around was based on an average global temperature algorithm that spit out the same temperatures no matter what the input was.  The NASA guy that had a lot of data supposedly proving it was happening never provided his raw data and later claimed it was lost or something.  The temporary temperature increase has stopped.  The poles haven't melted and sea levels haven't risen significantly.  There was quite a bit more in hacked emails disclosing the politically minded witch hunts done by AGW people attacking and discrediting scientists who did not support it.  Even scientists who supported it, but weren't active cheerleaders were attacked.


If this was a case of people just asking for some research money to keep monitoring temperatures, I might be more sympathetic.  However, the scientists and politicians have been making wild predictions for 25 years or so and none of it has occurred. 

[RoadKingLarry]

It goes back more than 40 years. Impending ice age was the battle cry in the '70s.
So if all these rich elitists are so concerned with global warming/climate change and the coastal cities are all gonna be under water why are they all still living there?

[zxcvbob]

It goes back more than 40 years. Impending ice age was the battle cry in the '70s.
So if all these rich elitists are so concerned with global warming/climate change and the coastal cities are all gonna be under water why are they all still living there?

Insurance fraud.

[230RN]

<peripheral>
<stop me if you've heard this>
<short version>

Two youngish businessmen lying on beach in Florida discuss how come they could retire so early.

Guy 1:  "So I had a lucrative business and a fire broke out and destroyed everything.  So I collected on the insurance and retired."

Guy 2:  "Amazing!  The same thing happened to me, except a flood came along and wiped me out.  So I'm down here on insurance, too."

Guy 1:  "Really?  How do you start a flood?"

<rim shot>
</short version>
</stop me if you've heard this>
</peripheral>

[MechAg94]

It goes back more than 40 years. Impending ice age was the battle cry in the '70s.
So if all these rich elitists are so concerned with global warming/climate change and the coastal cities are all gonna be under water why are they all still living there?

IMO, you don't even need to mention the ice age stuff.  The science and research were screwed up.  Too many of the researchers began to BELIEVE AGW was happening and decided they were justified in adulterating their data and research if it helped get people to take action.  Nothing new in that motivation.  Once govt funding was doled out, the money chasers became a part of the pack also. 

[Nick1911]

<peripheral>
<stop me if you've heard this>
<short version>

Two youngish businessmen lying on beach in Florida discuss how come they could retire so early.

Guy 1:  "So I had a lucrative business and a fire broke out and destroyed everything.  So I collected on the insurance and retired."

Guy 2:  "Amazing!  The same thing happened to me, except a flood came along and wiped me out.  So I'm down here on insurance, too."

Guy 1:  "Really?  How do you start a flood?"

<rim shot/>
</short version>
</stop me if you've heard this>
</peripheral>

FTFY

[Hawkmoon]

<peripheral>
<stop me if you've heard this>
<short version>

Two youngish businessmen lying on beach in Florida discuss how come they could retire so early.

Guy 1:  "So I had a lucrative business and a fire broke out and destroyed everything.  So I collected on the insurance and retired."

Guy 2:  "Amazing!  The same thing happened to me, except a flood came along and wiped me out.  So I'm down here on insurance, too."

Guy 1:  "Really?  How do you start a flood?"

<rim shot>
</short version>
</stop me if you've heard this>
</peripheral>

BASTARD! That's the only joke I can ever tell correctly, and you STOLE it from me.

[230RN]

I just couldn't resist.

You just gotta read your old copies of Reader's Digest "Laughter is the best medicine."

I noticed a lot of "original," "new" jokes come from there and Playboy's old "Party Jokes."

Rich mines for gags that everybody forgot by now.

I suspect that some folks are re-submitting old ones without the young whippersnapper Editors catching them.

Something else I'm having a hard time resisting is posting a pic of a slide rule over in fistful's thread on the promotional ruler he got.  I thought fer sure somebody would have done it by now. I'm getting sore tempted to do it myself.

'Nuffa that.

Oh, and I can prove I'm not a bastard.  I have my Mom and Dad's marriage certificate and my birth certificate showing more than a year's difference.  In the right direction.  Always wanted to frame those next to each other in my office entitled: "Despite what everybody says, I am not a bastard."

But I didn't have the dastardly bastardly balls to do it.

[KD5NRH]

Something else I'm having a hard time resisting is posting a pic of a slide rule over in fistful's thread on the promotional ruler he got.

Should I use the K&E on my desk right now or the Pickett I keep by the bed at home for the odd "gotta figure that out so I can sleep" calculation?

[Hawkmoon]

Something else I'm having a hard time resisting is posting a pic of a slide rule over in fistful's thread on the promotional ruler he got.  I thought fer sure somebody would have done it by now. I'm getting sore tempted to do it myself.

Toss up an image of a circular slide rule ...

[230RN]

I saw a pic of a cylindrical (not circular) slide rule.

Oh, here's an example:

http://www.hpmuseum.org/srcyl.htm


Except for the fact that I have enough junk hanging on my walls, I'd  love to get one of those ~ twelve-foot classroom slide rules.  My High School had them in many of the math-tech classrooms.

Saw one a couple of years ago in Meininger's Art Supply in downtown Denver and it kinda kicked in the nostalgia neurons.  Wasn't for sale.

Terry

[KD5NRH]

I saw a pic of a cylindrical (not circular) slide rule.

Been wanting one of those since I was a weekend docent at a museum that had one.  They ain't cheap in even rough-functional condition.

[BobR]

I will believe all of the climate change deniers/skeptics when Bill Nye the Science Guy tells me climate change is not real. He believes he has the real scoop and who am I to doubt him, he is The Science Guy.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/27/tucker-carlson-and-bill-nye-science-guy-clash-climate-change


bob

[Ron]

I will believe all of the climate change deniers/skeptics when Bill Nye the Science Guy tells me climate change is not real. He believes he has the real scoop and who am I to doubt him, he is The Science Guy.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/27/tucker-carlson-and-bill-nye-science-guy-clash-climate-change


bob

LOL, I saw that video earlier linked on a blog I follow.

So his position is that all climate change since the 1700's is due to mankind?

Are there any real scientists out there that actually believe that?

I think Tucker flustered him by asking what percentage of climate change is due to mankind. Bill really started falling apart after that and never really had any thing "scientific" to say after that question was asked.

It's a great question and I will ask it every chance I get.

[Hawkmoon]

Bill Nye seems unaware that about 500 years ago the Vikings were farming on Greenland.

His argument is really a strong argument for why we shouldn't build major cities next to oceans.

[230RN]

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I know I've said this enough that I sound like a broken record but all it takes to see through the idiocy is to remember middle school world history. The Vikings settled on Greenland because it was, like, green -- they established an agrarian (farming) society that flourished for 500 years. They left Greenland in the 1400s because it became too cold.

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No, not at all.  It bears repetition because it's a nice, solid, "touchable" concept for a lot of people to get a handle on the natural climatic variations over time.

I feel the same way that you do when I throw out that 400,000 year graph of global temperature variations, where the regular major cycles establish its validity, and the short-term variabilities show why it's impossible to make valid predictions based on a mere 200 year sample.

Terry, 230RN

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