Waterboarding is not torture. Before we know it, our boys won't be able to use harsh language or give them the stink eye.
Will you volunteer to be water-boarded and post the results on YouTube?
"As long as their policy issues are advanced, no sacrifice is too much for other people to make."
Like innocent Muslims enduring water-boarding so you can feel safe? Remember, the folks captured and tortured are
accused of involvement in terrorism, but we already know that many of them are completely innocent. Which is why due process was
invented...
--Len.
Len, I have had what I would describe as "vigorous compliance techniques" used on me in the past that I would rate as more, ahh,
vigorous than waterboarding. This happened before the advent of youtube and I don't recall tape rolling during that not-so-fun time. Youtube will forever have to wait.
You have likely seen some of these techniques in action on video, but are ignorant as to how vigorous they are. Enlist, volunteer several times over for various schools & units, and you can also have some perspective on such techniques.
So, when I hear that three of the folks we have captured in the GWOT (or whatever it is called this week) have been waterboarded and gave up *expletive deleted*it-hot information, I wonder, "Why have they used it only three times?"
jamisjockey:
Finding & killing militant muslims abroad is not a police function.
The next absurd thing you might write could be:
...would you approve your local Police department to use close air support?
If your local PD can't do close air support, your Federal Government damn well shouldnt be doing close air support.
(1)should oversea detainee's be given the same rights as american citizens?
(2)should the cia be accountable to our courts? our constitution?
(3)does the "need" for information supercede the rules of war laid out by the geneva convention?
(1) There are possibly situations where that might be the case, but for the great majority, the answer is NO.
(2) Depends on what you mean by "accountable" and which courts. Yes, the CIA ought to be accountable in the general use of the word, to the COTUS. Folks in #1, I would say they ought have no recourse to American courts. I would go further and say that US Citizens ought to have recourse to sue the CIA or any fed.gov entity for leaking classified information and forcing the fed.gov to track down the leaker and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
(3) Which conventions & accords? I would abide by the letter of only those we have signed on to. BTW, terrorists are not covered by any the USA has signed. They can be shot out of hand, on the spot. If you can kill them, you can certainly ask them questions in a "vigorous" manner.