US Congress bans Incandescent bulbs by 2014...

[Bigjake]

I'm ordering a couple few shipping containers of edison bulbs, anybody want in?  volume discount...

[Tallpine]

There are LOTS of things that you can use

Like flipping off the breaker and locking the box 

[Perd Hapley]

There are LOTS of things that you can use

A belt, hairbrush, ruler...   

[Gewehr98]

I understand that they're not really banned, they just have to meet the efficiency requirements by 2012-2014. 

I wouldn't let that get in the way of the Second Boston Tea Party, though.  We need heroes for the yet-to-be-announced Uprising and Revolution, don'tcha know?   

[SomeKid]

If someone wanted to buy LED lights, even if they had the odd color, where would you get them?

[Rocketman56]

Somekid:

If someone wanted to buy LED lights, even if they had the odd color, where would you get them?

My short list.. I'm sure there's more..

                 http://www.betterlifegoods.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=1
                 http://www.metaefficient.com/lighting/ecoleds-mercury-free-led-bulbs.html
                 http://www.optosun.com/products.asp
                 http://www.ccrane.com/lights/led-light-bulbs/index.aspx
                 http://theledlight.com/led-light-bulbs.html
                 http://www.earthtechproducts.com/energy-saving-led-light-bulbs.html
                 http://www.x-tremegeek.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?productID=11880&ta=detail_img&pi=Y&st=3
                 http://www.lc-led.com/ledlightbulbs.html
                 http://www.environmentallights.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1003&gclid=CK6CnKL0uZACFQUalgodnGVwLg
                 http://www.superbrightleds.com/led_prods.htm
                 http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/SearchProducts.asp?categoryID=572
                 http://www.ledlight.com/LZHousehold.aspx


Some are manufacturers, most are retailers..


Edited: forgot the list!!

[SomeKid]

Rocket,

Thanks for the links. I admit, I only checked a few, but is there a reason those LED lights are all hanging around 30 bucks, on the low side?

[Rocketman56]

Supply and Demand would be my guess..

Lot of R&D still being paid for..  some of the SuperBrights are pretty recent (within the last year)..

Give them a year or two, and I'll imagine things will change.. I don't think CFL's will last much
past 2020, as LEDs really hit their stride..

Steve

[wacki]

As my father said many years ago....

"They're going to legislate us to Heaven, whether we want to go or not."

Anyone notice the balckmarket for regular flow toilets sprung up since they mandated the "Two flush" low-flo toilets    

There's a black market for toilets?

[wacki]

They're working on LED bulbs with a phosphor coating that causes them to have warm light. Until then, the white ones tend to have the harsh bluewhite glare of a LED flashlight. Unless you want your house to look like Minority Report, I'd wait.

This is why you look at the temperature and color rendering index on lights.  There are several manufacturers that produce CFL's that give off natural sunlight.  GE, sylvania and philips to name a few.  Avoid the cheap no-name companies.  A temp index of 6,500K is equivalent to regular lightbulbs and 11,000K is nearing sunlight.  Both can be found at any major hardware store.

[Tallpine]

There's a black market for toilets?

Well, it's more of a brown market, actually

[nico]

fwiw, CFLs give off much higher levels of UVB rays than incandescent bulbs, which is bad for people with diseases that cause photosensitivity.  My mom, who has lupus, was really thrilled to hear about this law

[Sergeant Bob]

Under the measure, all light bulbs must use 25% to 30% less energy than today's products by 2012 to 2014. The phase-in will start with 100-watt bulbs in 2012 and end with 40-watt bulbs in 2014. By 2020, bulbs must be 70% more efficient.

U.S. energy bill nearing passage boosts efficient lighting

While not a defacto ban, I doubt the incandescent bulb can be made 70% more efficient.

[K Frame]

Hum...

That 70% more efficient rating by 2020 may very well kill the Halogen bulb market...

[Gewehr98]

While not a defacto ban, I doubt the incandescent bulb can be made 70% more efficient.

Such weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The feds enacted improved vehicle mileage rules, too.  Waiting for the call to arms over that one, myself. 

[Desertdog]

The feds enacted improved vehicle mileage rules, too.  Waiting for the call to arms over that one, myself.

There will probably be a great increase in rebuilding the older cars.

[Gewehr98]

True, but I find the whole thing darned near hilarious if it wasn't so sad.  I kid you not, people are calling for deaths of legislators, Alamo-type last stands over caches of hoarded incandescent light bulbs, 21st-century replays of the Boston Tea Party, you name it.

Where were they when we suffered the horrible legislation of asbestos, leaded gasoline, radium dinner plates, mercury thermometers, seat belts and child-proof containers?  Them's grounds for insurrection, I say!   

[K Frame]

The only one that have gotten me really pissed are the ones dealing with cooking of food.

It can be very hard to find a medium rare hamburger in some areas because food guidelines call for turning the burger into a damned hockey puck.

Or, the way New Jersey tried to legislate a few years ago that no restaurant could serve eggs that had runny yolks. Hard scrambled, or worse.

Holy crap, just print a warning on the menu and let me take my frigging chances!

[Sergeant Bob]

While not a defacto ban, I doubt the incandescent bulb can be made 70% more efficient.

Such weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The feds enacted improved vehicle mileage rules, too.  Waiting for the call to arms over that one, myself. 

Who's weeping and gnashing? Call to arms?

[Scout26]

There's a black market for toilets?

Yep, you can get big bucks for your old 3.5 gal/flush......Or you can smuggle them in from Canada....

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12590982  is the first one I came accross when I googled "Toilet Smuggling"

[Gewehr98]

It's not just here on APS, Scout.  I've seen it on two additional forums, as well.  One even called for the death of legislators who enacted the bill. 

[roo_ster]

They can have my 3.5gal flush toilet when they pry it out of my cold, dead,...

G98:

I am not at all happy with the "Energy" bill that does nothing to produce more energy or reduce its cost.  Damnfool CAFE requirements are but one reason to veto the abortion.

[GigaBuist]

...they didn't actually ban them.  They just set efficiency requirements.

Is this really the case?  I ask because lumen measurements are highly subjective.  Could the manufacturers simply revise their measurement system so that the measurements read high enough to satisfy the law, without actually changing their bubls any?

I'm not sure if they could just revise the measurements.  I haven't hit the section of law (if there is one) that gives a government qualified rating method.

However, here's summary of efficiency requirements for anybody interested:

On 1/1/2012:  72 watt bulbs must produce 1490 - 2600 lumens.
On 1/1/2013:  53 watt bulbs must produce 1050 - 1489 lumens.
On 1/1/2014:  43 watt bulbs must produce 750 - 1049 lumens.  Also, 29 watt bulbs must prouduce 310 - 749 lumens.

As far as this being the death of halogens:  I looked up the lumen output on the 50W bulbs I just bought the other week and they rate at 550 lumens.  That's just shy of half what they'd have to kick out come 01/01/2013, so unless I'm buying crappy halogens (Sylvania, cost $8 a pop) I'd say they're right out too.

[Scout26]

G98,

Some of the links I found from my search point to Treehugger.com (yep, it really does exist), had everyone there up in arms about low-flow toilets and how to get 3.5 gal ones from Canada.

Although someone was talking about building their own sawdust toilet.  I could only just picture a giant litter box.    

[alex_trebek]

Nice, great work congress.  Can we get back to fixing the economy now???  How about cancer research?  How about anything that is a real problem?