McCain the POW

[Lee]

Does it bother anyone else that the Russians, or others, could have compromising audio, or video, with very intimate information, from McCain's years as a POW in NV? If drugs were employed, would even McCain be fully aware of what could of taken place back then?  The Vietnamese did not abide by too many conventional POW laws as I recall.  I've always had a lingering concern about that.   I know the 'Manchurian Candidate' issue has been brought up in the past....but what about plain old blackmail?   

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

no

but lets entertain your fantasy a moment.  what do you imagine they got on him?  remember since all we are dealing with is what happens between your ears the skys the limit

are you another paulista by any chance?

[Werewolf]

Anyone ever see the movie "The Manchurian Candidate"....

Hmmmmm....

[evil laugh] muwhahaha [/evil laugh]

[roo_ster]

I have seen the original Manchurian Candidate.

I am also not so hot for McCain, to put it mildly.

If some rat-bastard commie scum drags out footage of McCain getting the third degree or acting under duress during his captivity, I think my reservations for voting for him would evaporate, right quick.

I can think of no better way to contrast the depth of McCain's character with the callowness of Obama's & Hillary's pale substitute for same.

If I were McCain, I would see any such play as manna from Heaven.

[roo_ster]

The way it is supposed to work is the Republican establishment scares apathetic and disaffected conservative Republicans into voting against Obama/Hillary by voting for McCain.

Damn, but I think nutter Paulitsas and Democrat loons are trying to bypass the Repub establishment and get me to pull the lever for the RINO from AZ by acting like a pack of freaks.

Maybe they just can't help themselves.

[seeker_two]

Any foreign agent that tried that would be painting a big target on their capital city if McCain got elected despite it......

We'll probably see Obama partying with Marion Berry on video before that happened....

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

marion has standards

[Lee]

but lets entertain your fantasy a moment.  what do you imagine they got on him?  remember since all we are dealing with is what happens between your ears the skys the limit
are you another paulista by any chance?

Truthfully, I'm not really 'for' anyone in this contest...but will vote for McCain if that's who's running against Obama. Do you think this seed won't be planted by the Dems once he's the confirmed candidate?  I'm not anti- McCain, I'm just a realist.

He was held by a brutal enemy for a long time.  How would any person, regardless of strength or character, react to being held captive in isolation, and being brutalized over an extended period of time. The man was held under conditions that make Guantanamo look like the Hilton, by a government that had no rules.  Being the son of a US Senator, McCain did get special attention- but not likely in a good way. I would guess that the Russians may have a very thick file on him from that period. 
I could speculate on any number of things they could have done to him...even without him remembering a any of it.  An example just for discussions sake:  What if he was elected President and suddenly an internet video pops up of a drugged McCain in a compromising position (s) with guards or even other captives.  What if they privately use it as a negotiating tool?  He's not going to (or can't) start WWIII over that. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

lee hes the son of a 4 star admiral. sticking to at least the rough framework of reallity is usually good.and jfuser is a good example of how that kinda nonsense would backfire. plus highlighting his service only brings attention to their non service

[Hawkmoon]

The North Vietnamese weren't into piling naked prisoners up, or taking candids of naked men with a female guard holding a doggie leash on him. It took the United States to sink that low. Nope, the NVA were into the boring old bamboo shoots under the finger nails, "Tell us what you know!" zhit and that's about it. I don't think there's any Manchurian Candidate stuff out there about McCain or any of his fellow Hanoi Hilton neighbors. Just a bunch of guys with some scars, and maybe a few broken bones that didn't heal straight.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

a lil electricity and some missing guys as well as the odd beating

[mfree]

What, videos of him hung up by his broken arms?

For a Vietnam eager to get back into the real (fiscal) world, I doubt anything like that would happen, unless it was to hobble Vietnam...

[keeleon]

But what if there actually is something terrible like a drugged up Mccain being forced to attack or kill a fellow prisoner.  It's not unpossible that something like that ever happened.  Unfortunately a vast majority of the voting public are too stupid to be able to see that in context, they would have no idea of the chaos going on all around him.  I do think that if another country does have this kind of information, they would much rather use it as blackmail one he's in office, then to just release it to get him unelected.  He is a very left R, and they know that he isn't THAT much different from Hillbama.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

It's not unpossible that something like that ever happened.  Unfortunately a vast majority of the voting public are too stupid to be able to see that in context, they would have no idea of the chaos going on all around him.


that was funny   for reasons that you might not realize

[keeleon]

that was funny   for reasons that you might not realize

Please do tell.  

The media distributes information in whatever bias they want.  If they want to distribute this information in the context that Mccain is unstable, and should not be president, then that is what the mass public will believe.  If they want to distribute it stating how strong he is for having been forced to go through something so horrible, and still being abl to competently be a leader, then THAT is what the public will believe.  Which "spin" do you think information like that would get?

[RoadKingLarry]

The North Vietnamese weren't into piling naked prisoners up, or taking candids of naked men with a female guard holding a doggie leash on him. It took the United States to sink that low.

That is of course so much worse than starving them to death or breaking their arms and legs. placing them in cages for months on end with nothing but there own urine and feces to exist on. Or of course they mostly just killed them and got it over with. A little hazing is so much worse.

[Sergeant Bob]

The North Vietnamese weren't into piling naked prisoners up, or taking candids of naked men with a female guard holding a doggie leash on him. It took the United States to sink that low.

That is of course so much worse than starving them to death or breaking their arms and legs. placing them in cages for months on end with nothing but there own urine and feces to exist on. Or of course they mostly just killed them and got it over with. A little hazing is so much worse.

[Jamisjockey]

marion has standards

That just made my day!
Barry loves crack whores, but a Senator from Illinois would certainly be beneath him!!!!

[Lee]

Interesting viewpoint here.
http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/3077/2/

[roo_ster]

Barry loves crack whores, but a Senator from Illinois would certainly be beneath him!!!!

^^^
Oh, the fun I could have playing with word order!

[Matthew Carberry]

It's not unpossible that something like that ever happened.  Unfortunately a vast majority of the voting public are too stupid to be able to see that in context, they would have no idea of the chaos going on all around him.

that was funny   for reasons that you might not realize

Please do tell.   

I'll start...

"Me fail English?  That's unpossible!"

It's a quote from the Simpsons.  From the police chief's idiot son.

You might try:

"It isn't impossible that something like that may have happened."

But instead of that, you might just read all the accounts available from both captors and fellow prisoners which mention no such activity nor contain any suggestion that such an activity might have occured.

"Not impossible" includes such unlikely events as "unpossible" becoming an actual word in English.

[grampster]

     

     "It took the United States some dumb ass grunts to sink that low tease them a bit." 


There.  Fixed it for you.     

[Iain]

Yeah, I'll pass on any 'teasing' from you then grampster.

Don't fancy being sodomised or being bitten by dogs, but if that's teasing in your house I reckon you should have a good supply of antiseptic on standby.

[Bigjake]

     

     "It took the United States some dumb ass grunts to sink that low tease them a bit." 


There.  Fixed it for you.     

Those dumb bastards were Reservists, I think.

[Hawkmoon]

     

     "It took the United States some dumb ass grunts to sink that low tease them a bit." 


There.  Fixed it for you.     

I'll accept the amendment.

The point remaining, of course, that the NVA engaged in torture of more or less classic types. They were not interested in playing silly games with the prisoners.