Respect for the law in the UK?

[Manedwolf]

Wow. A "pack" is right. Think they're on public assistance, too?

Police officers beaten by mob after asking girl to pick up litter
By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent
Last updated: 9:29 PM BST 18/07/2008
Two police officers were beaten and bitten by a mob of teenagers after they asked a girl to pick up a piece of litter.

Witnesses said the male police constables, aged 29 and 34, were victims of such "horrific violence" as a pack of up to 30 youths and adults set upon them that they feared they would be beaten to death.

The attack happened in broad daylight in Croydon town centre at 3pm on Thursday afternoon.

The officers had asked a teenage girl to pick up a fast food wrapper she had dropped on the pavement. She did so, but then mockingly dropped it on the ground again.

When the officers persisted, the girl's 15-year-old "noisy and uncooperative" female friend allegedly set upon them.

One officer was bitten on the shoulder. The Pcs were then surrounded by dozens of other, older men and women, and at least three more teenage girls.

Insp Simon Ellingham, of Croydon CID, said: "We have heard from several retailers in the area who were horrified at the level of violence used by the crowd against the officers.

"Whilst we would never use the term mob, which is an inflamatory word, we can confirm that eye witnesses have discussed their initial fears that officers were going to be seriously injured or killed."

Both men are on sick leave as they recover from the attack.

A 15-year-old girl has been arrested on suspicion of assault, and two men aged 34 and 38 have also been detained on suspicion of assault and violent disorder.

One of the police officers who was attacked, who did not want to reveal his name, said that he feared for his life and added: It amazes you, it actually depresses you, the state of children today. The disrespect, not only for people who might be in the police but anyone older.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2307301/Police-officers-beaten-by-mob-after-asking-girl-to-pick-up-litter.html

[AmbulanceDriver]

Just one more reason why unarmed cops are a bad idea...........

[Balog]

That's a good argument for large capacity magazines right there.

[The Annoyed Man]

Wow. Not surprising in any way though.

[taurusowner]

Sounds like every one of those people needs some time in Room 101.


/sarcasm

[The Annoyed Man]

Sounds more like they need to start sending in death squads. I've proposed that here, seeing that the locals in certain areas throw stones and fireworks at firefighters/paramedics.

[Balog]

Sounds more like they need to start sending in death squads. I've proposed that here, seeing that the locals in certain areas throw stones and fireworks at firefighters/paramedics.

Why in the world would they do that? I could see criminal types hating cops, but firefighters and EMT's only do good things for them. WTF?

[Manedwolf]

Sounds more like they need to start sending in death squads. I've proposed that here, seeing that the locals in certain areas throw stones and fireworks at firefighters/paramedics.

Why in the world would they do that? I could see criminal types hating cops, but firefighters and EMT's only do good things for them. WTF?

Oh, they do. Here's a video of a gang of yobs doing it in the UK, attacking firefighters.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4e0_1202661804

"Still in the missile attack. Urgent request for attendance of police!"...as sticks and rocks are being thrown at the fire engine by a mob.

[MechAg94]

Maybe a local can comment, but I have heard the juvenile justice rules are pretty messed up over there.  Trying to stop teenagers on your property can get you arrested faster than the teenagers. 

[The Annoyed Man]

Sounds more like they need to start sending in death squads. I've proposed that here, seeing that the locals in certain areas throw stones and fireworks at firefighters/paramedics.

Why in the world would they do that? I could see criminal types hating cops, but firefighters and EMT's only do good things for them. WTF?

I don't know why, but I can guess...without exception, they are immigrants, and without exception they are from the Balkans and the Middle East. Guaranteed. I just assume that they hate Western Society, or that they feel homesick and try to make Sweden more like home .
They start fires, in schools, in old gas stations, in small bike sheds, youth centers, whatever. Then they bring out Coke, chips and candy...and stones and firecrackers. And wait for the firetrucks and ambulances to show up...

In certain areas of Malmö, *coughcough*, the fire chief has ordered his men to not move in until they have atleast one police cruiser with them. The same areas, the POLICE won't move in with less than two cruisers, the cops in one cruiser will go out to see what the hell the shitheads are up to that night, and the other cruiser is there to guard the first. Amazing what multiculture will bring ain't it?

Like I said, things are boiling here. I suspect that we will see private citizens forming patrols in a not to distant future. And I suspect they will deal out swift and terminal justice as well. A friend of my parents told me last October that after a young fellow had been kicked to death at a party, there was an unusual amount of parents prowling the city in Stockholm (colleagues of his I guess). Apparently, they all had pistols in their pockets, and a huge defence fund should they have to use them.

[seeker_two]

!!!PAGING AGRICOLA!!!

[HankB]

1. Considering the laws they enforce, I have no respect for Brit cops either. (By the same token, I don't litter - which is the incident that touched off the subject fracas. And I don't attack people just because I don't respect them.)

2. When mobs attack FIREFIGHTERS, they ought to just move back and let the area burn.

[The Annoyed Man]

1. Considering the laws they enforce, I have no respect for Brit cops either. (By the same token, I don't litter - which is the incident that touched off the subject fracas. And I don't attack people just because I don't respect them.)

2. When mobs attack FIREFIGHTERS, they ought to just move back and let the area burn.

1: Neither do I. But, we aren't animals.

2: You know, I hope it happens. Let the aholes start a fire some night when the cops don't have time to do escort. Just let the entire area burn to the ground. With a bit of luck, the aholes will die in the flames.

[agricola]

Maybe a local can comment, but I have heard the juvenile justice rules are pretty messed up over there.  Trying to stop teenagers on your property can get you arrested faster than the teenagers. 

This is the root of all these problems, since the Juvenile Court system over here is a joke (not an especially funny one, admittedly) that persists in seeing these miscreants as children based solely on their age, when it should be looking at their antics and - usually in the absence of the parents doing it - disciplining these "children".  We have more than a few "children" who, despite their tender ages, have lengthy criminal records that (allied with their disrespect for education, or indeed any authority figures) will preclude them from any kind of meaningful employment (or indeed life) when they actually do become adults. 

I do not agree with many of the stereotypes around liberalism but it, to me at least, is an obvious fact that the liberal tendency in criminal justice since the 1960s has led to this sorry state of affairs, and we in the UK need as a matter of urgency to go back to a system that works, if for no other reason than it will stop these kids from destroying their own lives.

[LAK]

It amazes you, it actually depresses you, the state of children today. The disrespect, not only for people who might be in the police but anyone older.

Culture problem; this kind of thing was unheard of before the 1960s.

There is another element as well; anger and frustration. A growing police state, coupled to a socialist systematic fleecing. The lower class and younger people in particular can not always articulate things very well; but they do know they are getting fleeced.

[Manedwolf]

It amazes you, it actually depresses you, the state of children today. The disrespect, not only for people who might be in the police but anyone older.

Culture problem; this kind of thing was unheard of before the 1960s.

There is another element as well; anger and frustration. A growing police state, coupled to a socialist systematic fleecing. The lower class and younger people in particular can not always articulate things very well; but they do know they are getting fleeced.

AFAIK, the same people throwing stuff at firefighters are also getting a monthly check for not working. Because there's no provisions for cutting off their benefits, which they feel are their "right".

[The Annoyed Man]

It amazes you, it actually depresses you, the state of children today. The disrespect, not only for people who might be in the police but anyone older.

Culture problem; this kind of thing was unheard of before the 1960s.

There is another element as well; anger and frustration. A growing police state, coupled to a socialist systematic fleecing. The lower class and younger people in particular can not always articulate things very well; but they do know they are getting fleeced.

AFAIK, the same people throwing stuff at firefighters are also getting a monthly check for not working. Because there's no provisions for cutting off their benefits, which they feel are their "right".

Same here. Makes me oh-so-bloody-happy to pay my taxes.

[MechAg94]

It is not just that, but the govt taking over as provider takes responsibility away from those people which naturally leads to less responsibility in general and self destructive behavior.  When those people have kids, it gets worse. 

[MicroBalrog]

It amazes you, it actually depresses you, the state of children today. The disrespect, not only for people who might be in the police but anyone older.

Culture problem; this kind of thing was unheard of before the 1960s.

There is another element as well; anger and frustration. A growing police state, coupled to a socialist systematic fleecing. The lower class and younger people in particular can not always articulate things very well; but they do know they are getting fleeced.

AFAIK, the same people throwing stuff at firefighters are also getting a monthly check for not working. Because there's no provisions for cutting off their benefits, which they feel are their "right".

EVERYBODY is being screwed by the welfare-police state. EVEN the people on welfare.

[Manedwolf]

It is not just that, but the govt taking over as provider takes responsibility away from those people which naturally leads to less responsibility in general and self destructive behavior.  When those people have kids, it gets worse. 

Starvation is a good motivator to behave in a civilized manner. Take away that incentive, and...

[MicroBalrog]

Quite possibly. But there's nothing in the article (unless Croydon is a welfare community) to indicate the people involved are on welfare.

And, as I mentioned, everybody in a welfare state, except the people at the very top, is being screwed. Even the people on welfare.