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Lennyjoe

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What type of Russian Rifle is this?
« on: August 19, 2008, 10:11:22 AM »


As for the article below, doesn't sound like Nato or the EU is going to do crap about Russia invading.

BTW, here's the article:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,405963,00.html

Russian Troops Take Prisoners in Georgia Port as Medvedev Says Soldiers Will Withdraw by Friday

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev told French President Nicolas Sarkozy by phone Tuesday that Russian troops will withdraw from most of Georgia by Friday  some to Russia, others to South Ossetia and a surrounding "security zone" set in 1999.

However, a Pentagon official said that one day after they were due to withdraw from Georgia, there appears to be no significant change in the Russian military's occupation of the region.

"We dont see much change in the forces that were there," Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said.

Also Tuesday, Russian soldiers took about 20 Georgian troops prisoner at a key Black Sea port in western Georgia, blindfolding them and holding them at gunpoint, and commandeered American

Humvees awaiting shipment back to the United States.

The move comes as a small column of Russian tanks and armored vehicles left the strategic Georgian city of Gori in the first sign of a Russian pullback of troops from Georgia after a cease-fire intended to end fighting that reignited Cold War tensions. The two countries on Tuesday also exchanged prisoners captured during their brief war.

A FOX News crew on the ground in Georgia described the Russians as "crack and combat ready."

Along with the soldiers, the Russian troops also took away a container holding U.S. military property: Five U.S. military regular humvees and one armored humvee, according to Alan Middleton, CEO of Poti Sea Port. They had been used in a military exercise recently in Georgia involving U.S. and Georgian troops and were being shipped back to a European base.

It is unclear whether the Georgians seized had anything to do with the container.

The deputy head of Russia's general staff, Col. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, said Russian forces plan to remain in Poti until a local administration is formed, but did not give further details. He also justified previous seizures of Georgian soldiers as necessary to crack down on soldiers who were "out of any kind of control ... acting without command."

An AP television crew has seen Russian troops in and around Poti all week, with local port officials saying the Russians had destroyed radar, boats and other Coast Guard equipment there.

Russian troops last week drove Georgian forces out of South Ossetia, where Georgia on Aug. 7 launched a heavy artillery barrage in the separatist Georgian province with close ties to Russia. Fighting also has flared in a second Russian-backed separatist region, Abkhazia.

The short war has driven tensions between Russia and the West to some of their highest levels since the breakup of the Soviet Union, but Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has icily defended Russia's actions.

"Anyone who tries anything like that will face a crushing response," he said Monday. Later Medvedev handed out military medals to Russian soldiers involved in the fighting.

The cease-fire requires both sides to return to positions held before the fighting began, but Whitman said Tuesday morning in Washington that it didn't appear Russia had made any significant withdrawal of forces.

"So far we have not seen any significant movement out of Georgia," he said.

A small column of Russian tanks and armored vehicles left Gori on Tuesday, and a Russian officer said they were heading back to South Ossetia and then Russia. Col. Igor Konoshenkov, a Russian military officer at the scene, gave no timetable for when the unit would reach Russia.

Also Tuesday, Russia and Georgia exchanged 20 prisoners of war in an effort to reduce tensions. Two Russian military helicopters landed in the village of Igoeti, the closest that Russian forces have advanced to the Georgian capital of Tbilisi. Soldiers and men in unmarked clothing got off and two people in stretchers were taken to Georgian officials.

Georgian ambulances later brought two other people to the Russian choppers. One was on a gurney.

Georgian Security Council head Alexander Lomaia told reporters in Igoeti that 15 Georgians and five Russians were exchanged. "It went smoothly," he said. The operation also witnessed by Russian Maj. Gen. Vyacheslav Borisov, who commands troops in the area.

Lomaia said the exchange removed any pretext for Russians to keep holding positions in Igoeti, 30 miles west of Tbilisi, or anywhere else on Georgia's only significant east-west highway.

In Brussels, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was backing the setting up of a permanent NATO-Georgia Commission to solidify ties between the Western alliance and Georgia. Diplomats said Washington also supports increasing training for the Georgian military.

At the same time, NATO foreign ministers were discussing possibly scaling back high-level meetings and military cooperation with Russia if it does not abandon crucial positions across Georgia. But there were differences within the alliance over how far to go in punishing Moscow.

At a separate meeting, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe said Russia agreed to allow 20 more international military monitors in and around South Ossetia.

Finnish Foreign Minister Alexander Stubb says the plan calls for the observers to be sent immediately to Tbilisi. The group already has nine observers based in South Ossetia.

The United Nations has estimated that the fighting displaced more than 158,000 people. U.N. refugee chief Antonio Guterres arrived in Tbilisi on Tuesday to meet with government representatives to discuss the plight of tens of thousands of South Ossetians uprooted by Georgia's conflict with Russia.

Guterres then will travel to Moscow to meet with Russian officials, U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees spokesman Andrej Mahecic said.

Mahecic told journalists in Geneva that UNHCR, like other aid agencies, has not


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Re: What type of Russian Rifle is this?
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2008, 10:27:59 AM »
Looks similar to this - AS "Val" silenced rifle.



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Re: What type of Russian Rifle is this?
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2008, 01:03:47 PM »
If the video game STALKER is to be believed that is correct.  It is an interesting caliber too:  9x39

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Re: What type of Russian Rifle is this?
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2008, 01:21:14 PM »
Given the wooden stock and scope, it's more likely that it's a VSS Vintorez. Most of the parts are interchangeable, but the Vintorez is more accurate and more expensive to manufacture.

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn20-e.htm

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Re: What type of Russian Rifle is this?
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2008, 02:49:09 PM »
If the video game STALKER is to be believed that is correct.  It is an interesting caliber too:  9x39

Pretty much the same concept as the .300 Whisper, and yes, I gather that STALKER is correct.  Max Popenker (maintains world.guns.ru) was a consultant to the team that made it.

Same question, different picture, over at THR:  http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=384620

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Re: What type of Russian Rifle is this?
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2008, 02:49:43 PM »
It is indeed a VSS Vintorez. They seem to be a LOT more common in Russian military use than previously thought.
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Re: What type of Russian Rifle is this?
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2008, 04:52:24 PM »
From world.guns.ru
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To achieve desired lethality against targets, protected with body armor, TSNIITochMash had to develop a new subsonic cartridge, based on the 7.62x39 case, necked out for 9mm bullet. The bullets used in new cartridges are long and heavy (about 16 gram), and of ball (SP-5) and AP (SP-6) type. The latter bullet features a hardened steel penetrator as the core, and can defeat most military issue body armors at ranges up to 300-400 meters. VSS is in use since late 1980s, and is widely used in Chechnya against separatists. VSS is quite popular among its users for its stealthy capabilities and great lethality of heavy 9mm bullets. The effective range of VSS is limited to 300-400 meters.

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Re: What type of Russian Rifle is this?
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2008, 06:14:19 AM »
I actually think something like this would make an ideal universal issue infantry carbine, at least since the military has designated any shots over 300m as not a priority.
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Re: What type of Russian Rifle is this?
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2008, 06:18:06 AM »
I just read the specs. I want one.

Talk about a perfect home defense weapon. Suppressed, plus a serious thump from those ballistics.

I have noticed they're going crazy with refinements to the POSP scope, too. Even the ones you can buy on the market now have LED lighting in different colors (even blue!), and some new developments like a secondary reticle with a closer view of the target after you acquire it in the main view.

This one will be out soon:



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Re: What type of Russian Rifle is this?
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2008, 11:50:49 AM »
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