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silliman89

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Origins of black support for Democrats?
« on: August 20, 2008, 01:45:30 PM »
I'm not trying to start a fight here, I'm just asking.

I was confused by the following quote in another thread.

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The Blacks keep voting Dem because the Dems helped them a lot in the 60's and you'd be blind not to see that.

I've only read about any of this as history.  As I understand it though this is the basic progession of events:

1.  The Republicans freed the slaves in the Civil War.
2.  The Democrats passed the Jim Crow laws on a local level.
3.  The Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 on a federal level. 
4.  The Democrats massively increased welfare.

Can anyone in a non-emotional way tell me what I'm missing here? 

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Re: Origins of black support for Democrats?
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2008, 01:55:38 PM »
That pretty much sums it up.  BTW item #4 is the answer to your question.
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Re: Origins of black support for Democrats?
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 01:56:55 PM »
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3.  The Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 on a federal level. 

The Democrats are generally associated with CRA-1964 because one of them was President, fairly or not.
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Re: Origins of black support for Democrats?
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2008, 01:58:06 PM »
It also goes back to FDR and the New Deal, which was welfare by another name.

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Re: Origins of black support for Democrats?
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2008, 02:00:26 PM »
That pretty much sums it up.  BTW item #4 is the answer to your question.

Yep. #4 is the reason. Welfare is used as vote buying all the time..."vote for me, and I will take more money away from whitey (Rich People) and give it to you...you don't have to do anything but vote for me!"

Oh, and any black person that goes against the Democrats and their politics, say by running independently or on a Republican ticket and speaking against welfare and the thug culture are automaticaly termed "Uncle Toms"

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Re: Origins of black support for Democrats?
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2008, 02:05:51 PM »
Stage 1: Create a large amount of welfare that targets your social group of choice.

Stage 2: Make sure the social group is corrupted by said welfare so they now depend on it for their very survival.

Stage 3: Profit.
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Re: Origins of black support for Democrats?
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2008, 05:09:17 AM »
Democrats have also generally been in favor or racial quotas for hiring. 
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Re: Origins of black support for Democrats?
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2008, 05:21:03 AM »
It also goes back to FDR and the New Deal, which was welfare socialism by another name.

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Re: Origins of black support for Democrats?
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2008, 05:34:18 AM »
Actually, you're all off the mark. It wasn't welfare. Yes, black voters shifted towards the Democrats during the New Deal, but many shifted right back when it became apparent that the Roosevelt New Deal didn't, according to many Democrats in power at the time, apply to blacks.

You all need to remember that VAST numbers of white Republican diehards became hard-core Democrats in the 1930s, and stayed that way for the rest of their lives because they lost faith in the ability of Republicans to do anything other than attempt to maintain the status quo, and perceived that the Republicans in the 1930s couldn't even do that.

 Many blacks also became very disillusioned with Roosevelt in that despite repeated pressure he wouldn't integrate the armed forces during World War II. Harry Truman did that in 1948, which helped his support and brought some support to Democrats.

The groundshift of black support to the Democratic Party came in late 1950s and early 1960s.

At the time the civil rights movement was gaining steam, and Martin Luther King was coming to prominence.

During the 1960 campaign MLK was actively courting both Nixon and Kennedy on the civil rights issue.

Kennedy met with King, and laid out his vision for what would eventually become the civil rights act of 1964.

Nixon, on the other hand, didn't even acknowledge King.

That was a big slap in the face for many blacks who had always counted on the Republican party as "their" party. In 1960s the number of black voters supporting Republican candidates fell dramatically, and Kennedy got unprecedented numbers of black votes.

After Kennedy's death, LBJ became the champion for many of his programs, including civil rights. He pushed civil rights FAR harder than Kennedy did (Kennedy was still trying to court the Southern anti-civil rights Democrat power brokers, men like Strom Thurmond, James Eastland, and Howard Smith[who tried to kill the bill by keeping it in committee] and others). LBJ used Kennedy's death to essentially ramrod the bill through both houses of Congress in June 1964. Interestingly enough, LBJ counted on the support of a number of prominent Republicans to help end Democrat fillibusters (Robert Byrd spoke for something like 18 hours straight) in the Senate.

While many Republicans supported the bill, their support was seen by many blacks to be weak and vacillating, and a number of prominent Republicans never really addressed the bill at all. And, while Republicans supported the legislation in far greater percentages than Democrats, it was still seen to be a bill of the Democratic party.

That set the stage for the 1964 election.

In 1956 Eisenhower had gotten nearly 40% of the black vote, in 1960 Nixon got 32% of the black vote, but in 1964? Goldwater got BARELY 6% of the black vote.

Over the next several years a number of prominent Democrats who had vehemently opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 switched to the Republican Party. Thurmond switched parties not long after the Civil Rights Act passed.

That was, in many ways, a PR nightmare for the Republicans, and helped cement in many blacks' minds that the Democratic Party was the party to support.

Yes, the Great Society block of legislation (aka the "War on Poverty) much of which also was passed in the summer of 1964, also contributed to black support for the Democratic Party, but just how much it swung black votes to the Democratic Party is pretty hotly debated. Most historians contribute Kennedy's introduction of, and LBJ's dogged support of, the Civil Rights Act as the watershed moment in bringing blacks into the Democratic fold.

I find it to be somewhat troubling to see so many people blithly say "Oh, all it took was giving blacks free money and they would come in droves." I've always been troubled by that, because it simply doesn't stand up to the facts of what really happened, and it, in many ways, simply forwards the stereotype that most blacks are lazy, shiftless, and looking for a handout, comfortable shoes, and a tight pussy, as one Democratic legislator so crudely put it in the 1950s.

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Re: Origins of black support for Democrats?
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2008, 07:13:26 AM »
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1. The Republicans freed the slaves in the Civil War.
2. The Democrats passed the Jim Crow laws on a local level.
3. The Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 on a federal level.
4. The Democrats massively increased welfare.

Can anyone in a non-emotional way tell me what I'm missing here?

I find that it helps to view the parties as regional parties ...

1. The  northern party (republican in the era) created the negro vote after the civil war to further their party, using tax dollars to send people south to teach the negroes to vote for the northern party. That is the origin.
2. Jim Crow laws are associated with the South which is today the republican party.
3. The northern party passed the civil rights act.
4. The northern party (now democrats) increased welfare.

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Re: Origins of black support for Democrats?
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2008, 10:52:20 AM »
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1. The Republicans freed the slaves in the Civil War.
2. The Democrats passed the Jim Crow laws on a local level.
3. The Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 on a federal level.
4. The Democrats massively increased welfare.

Can anyone in a non-emotional way tell me what I'm missing here?

I find that it helps to view the parties as regional parties ...

1. The  northern party (republican in the era) created the negro vote after the civil war to further their party, using tax dollars to send people south to teach the negroes to vote for the northern party. That is the origin.
2. Jim Crow laws are associated with the South which is today the republican party.
3. The northern party passed the civil rights act.
4. The northern party (now democrats) increased welfare.
And even those groups aren't the same today as they were then. 
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Re: Origins of black support for Democrats?
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2008, 04:46:52 PM »
Thanks Mike.  That was very informative.

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Re: Origins of black support for Democrats?
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2008, 04:49:58 PM »
I feel that one other contributing fact is the NAACP.

For one, people with common sense realize that this group does anything but help out the colored.  Their actions do more to oppress the race than any other group in history (including the KKK).  The leadership of the NAACP claims that 'whitey' is doing all this crap to keep down the black man, telling the black man that he is underpriveleged and that it is 'whities' fault.  They promise jobs, and/or free money, lawsuits, any number of stuff for support from the black populace.  If you grow up being told that you are being oppressed, you begin to believe it even if it does not exist.

now, how does this fit in with the parties?  The best way to actually keep a group oppressed is to keep them from being successful.  How do you do this? 
-Laziness...welfare society anyone?
-Lack of personal responsibility.....socialism


So the best way for the NAACP to make money and gain power is by having a support base.  They need an oppressed base to have the support.  So they need to oppress them in order to get the support....how do you do this?   Liberalism, socialism!  So by telling all the blacks to go dem, more socialist policies are enacted, further oppressing said group without them realizing WTF is going on.  This keeps their base large, keeps them fat and rich and powerful.

IMHO.

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Re: Origins of black support for Democrats?
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2008, 05:54:57 PM »
Democrats insult blacks by insinuating that black people cant succeed without their help:  racial quotas, affirmative action, etc.

Democrats also ignore them politically because they believe blacks will vote for them no matter what.



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Re: Origins of black support for Democrats?
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2008, 06:50:16 AM »
I find it to be somewhat troubling to see so many people blithly say "Oh, all it took was giving blacks free money and they would come in droves." I've always been troubled by that, because it simply doesn't stand up to the facts of what really happened, and it, in many ways, simply forwards the stereotype that most blacks are lazy, shiftless, and looking for a handout, comfortable shoes, and a tight pussy, as one Democratic legislator so crudely put it in the 1950s.

Actually, that was Secretary of Agriculture Earl Butz, from the Nixon/Ford administrations, in 1976, in a conversation with Pat Boone and John Dean about why there was so little black support for Republican politicians and policies  -   "... because all coloreds want is a tight p***y, loose shoes, and a warm place to s**t"... "
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Re: Origins of black support for Democrats?
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2008, 07:17:51 AM »
As far as I've been able to determine, that statement, or ones very very similar to it, originated long before that. Butz was simply voicing his own version of it.


Wow. Butz died earlier this year, aged 98. I thought he died years ago.

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