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Mexican Oil Depletion
« on: August 26, 2008, 10:23:43 AM »
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Morning Edition, August 26, 2008 · Reform of Mexico's state-run oil company continues to dominate Mexican politics. There have been numerous debates and referendums on a proposal by President Felipe Calderon to open the struggling oil monopoly to foreign investors.

The left has denounced Calderon's plan as privatization of the nation's oil wealth, but Calderon and top officials within Pemex say that without radical reform, Mexico will run out of oil in less than a decade.

Just about everyone who has weighed in on the Pemex debate agrees that the Mexican oil monopoly is in crisis.

Production of crude is falling dramatically. In July, output at Mexico's largest oil field, Cantarell, was off 37 percent from the year before.

Pemex's exploration efforts have fallen flat, and by some estimates, what was once the world's sixth largest oil producer could exhaust its current reserves in less than seven years.

Pemex's refining and pipeline infrastructure is also lagging far behind demand. Despite being a major oil exporter, Mexico imports 40 percent of its gasoline because Pemex does not have the capacity to refine its own crude. Oil revenues fund almost half of Mexico's federal budget, so the crisis at Pemex has become a crisis for the nation.

Delay In Reform

Debate over President Felipe Calderon's reform plan has dragged on for months.

Calderon's proposal, among other things, would allow foreign companies to drill in deep water in the Gulf of Mexico, something Pemex does not currently have the technology to do on its own.

Alberto Montoya Martin del Campo, a professor of political and social science at the Iberoamericana University, testified recently before the Energy Commitee of the Mexican Senate and said Pemex is not the problem.

Del Campo said the problem is that for the past two decades, various administrations have used the state-run company as a cash cow and failed to reinvest in new infrastructure and exploration. He says the billions of dollars generated by Pemex has been a stagnating rather than a stimulating force on Mexico's economy.

All of this has blocked the country from becoming an economic power, del Campo says. He went on to argue that the reforms proposed by Calderon are too narrow and won't significantly change the oil company.

Others, however, say Calderon's plan goes too far and allows too much foreign involvement in Mexican oil.

"We believe the proposal of Calderon is a failure," says Sen. Graco Ramirez of the left-wing PRD, the Party of the Democratic Revolution. "It will not advance, and it will not be approved because the PRD and the PRI [the former ruling party] are not going to support the privatization of refineries and pipelines."

Both the PRI and the PRD have now put forward their own rival reform plans.

The Pemex debate has, in many ways, been an act of political theater. Odon de Buen, an energy analyst in Mexico City, says the debate has been useful in that it has made politicians and ordinary people think about Mexico's looming energy crisis.

But, he says, the debate can't go on forever.

"Every month, every year that we don't agree postpones the solution," de Buen says. "So we may be running out of oil before we get to what this reform is promising."

And de Buen says the debate about Pemex has focused far too much on fossil fuels. De Buen and some others are arguing that this is an opportunity for Mexico to look at its energy needs for the coming decades, and they want more focus to be placed on developing alternative energy sources.

So, let's see:
1.  Mexican illegals are returning home, likely overloading Mexico's social services, which have effectively been outsourced to us.
2.  Mexican Drug Lords are encouraging cross-border hits and carrying out broad daylight assassinations in Mexico City.
3.  Mexico is running out of oil, possibly as early as 7 years from now.

Una revolución en Mexico en un futuro próximo?
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Re: Mexican Oil Depletion
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2008, 10:29:27 AM »
Una revolución en Mexico en un futuro próximo?
More likely that you've got seven years to build a damned solid wall on the southern border.

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Re: Mexican Oil Depletion
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2008, 11:03:16 AM »
What is occurring is the usual effects of socializing/nationalizing an industry.

Hugo Chavez, if he had two brain cells to rub together, can see his oil future in Pemex.
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Re: Mexican Oil Depletion
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2008, 11:28:22 AM »
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Hugo Chavez, if he had two brain cells to rub together, can see his oil future in Pemex.

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Re: Mexican Oil Depletion
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2008, 11:34:46 AM »
And our wonderful Texans will just build a big old straw that quietly slips into Mexico's old oil milkshake.

We'll get oil out from under their part of the bucket!  Bwah hah hah hah! cheesy
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Re: Mexican Oil Depletion
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2008, 12:24:47 PM »
Mexico's elected idiots made the decision to nationalize the oil industry.  Hence, Mexico's chronically under-performing oil industry appears to be running out of recoverable oil.  I would put more credibility in the assessment if Exxon made it.
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Re: Mexican Oil Depletion
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2008, 12:31:31 PM »
Yeah, I'll believe the "Mexico out of oil" thing when someone with a clue says so.

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Re: Mexican Oil Depletion
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2008, 12:50:48 PM »
The problem is that once foreign investment is allowed in and the oil starts flowing, what is to stop them from just nationalizing everything again?  Nothing.  Who wants to go in and develop all that production and risk getting nothing for it? 
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Re: Mexican Oil Depletion
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2008, 01:02:28 PM »
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. . . . what is to stop them from just nationalizing everything again?  Nothing.
Gotta disagree.  Nationalization can be prevented the ol' fashioned way--bribery.  Mexican officials can be bought off just like American officials are bought off.  Nothing as crude (unintentional pun) as direct payments.  No, guided investments in our global financial system can provide lots of incentive to maintain a steady policy of private development.  Mexican officials can go on a binge of opening foundations and presidential libraries.  Lots of cash flow linked to numerous sources outside the country.  If these guys are not being bribed already they are not creative enough to be in charge of country.

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Re: Mexican Oil Depletion
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2008, 02:45:35 PM »
BP hasn't faired so well with the Russians......Despite a considerable amount of guided investments.

Capital will take only so much risk. If the rule of law doesn't apply to the gov't of the country that wants capital investment then only fools will invest. That is a fundamental reason that foreign capital flows to the U.S..

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Re: Mexican Oil Depletion
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2008, 03:51:57 PM »
I also hear there are actually companies with ethics policies that don't allow bribery. 

If bribery is the only way to insure the govt doesn't take all your money and property, things are pretty bad and the return on investment had better be astronomical. 
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Re: Mexican Oil Depletion
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2008, 03:52:58 PM »
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. . . . what is to stop them from just nationalizing everything again?  Nothing.
Gotta disagree.  Nationalization can be prevented the ol' fashioned way--bribery.  Mexican officials can be bought off just like American officials are bought off.  Nothing as crude (unintentional pun) as direct payments.  No, guided investments in our global financial system can provide lots of incentive to maintain a steady policy of private development.  Mexican officials can go on a binge of opening foundations and presidential libraries.  Lots of cash flow linked to numerous sources outside the country.  If these guys are not being bribed already they are not creative enough to be in charge of country.

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Do you really think bribery is the only reason US companies are not nationalized and government run? 
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Re: Mexican Oil Depletion
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2008, 04:29:12 PM »
I also hear there are actually companies with ethics policies that don't allow bribery. 

If bribery is the only way to insure the govt doesn't take all your money and property, things are pretty bad and the return on investment had better be astronomical. 

IIRC, you can be prosecuted under US law for bribing a foreign official.
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Re: Mexican Oil Depletion
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2008, 05:02:14 PM »
Guided investments are technically not bribes.  A guided investment is a tip during dinner, or a conversation at a urinal, or a phone call late a night whereby an individual is advised to take a look at <insert investment of choice>.  A  look is taken and an investment is made and whaddya know, it pays off big.  Nothing illegal here.  Just people in the know passing information around.  My favorite example is that of the sainted Strom Thurmond.  Decades ago he up and purchased a piece of land from the local power company.  And whaddya know, shortly after he took ownership of the land, the state highway department announced the location of a new interstate finishing a loop around Columbia.  And do tell, the land previously purchased by St. Thurmond just happened to be the location of a major intersection.  When it got out what happened St. Thurmond sold the property back to the original owner.  Guided investments are perfectly legal but stinky.  They are a way of procuring favor without breaking laws. 

If you've wondered how a politician can go to DC and have to sleep on a cot in his office because he can't afford a house in the home state and an apartment or condo in DC yet decades later he is a multi-millionaire, I suggest looking into uncommonly fortuitous investments.  Biden is an example.  Gets out of law school, works four years, gets elected to the senate at $150 grand a year and 30 years later he has a spread rivaling that of John Edwards.  It ain't just one party; all parties do it.   
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Re: Mexican Oil Depletion
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2008, 04:56:38 AM »
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. . . . what is to stop them from just nationalizing everything again?  Nothing.
Gotta disagree.  Nationalization can be prevented the ol' fashioned way--bribery.  Mexican officials can be bought off just like American officials are bought off.  Nothing as crude (unintentional pun) as direct payments.  No, guided investments in our global financial system can provide lots of incentive to maintain a steady policy of private development.  Mexican officials can go on a binge of opening foundations and presidential libraries.  Lots of cash flow linked to numerous sources outside the country.  If these guys are not being bribed already they are not creative enough to be in charge of country.

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Do you really think bribery is the only reason US companies are not nationalized and government run? 

Please see story of ABC producer arrested for "trespassing" on the sidewalk as he filmed rich VIPs and Demo bigwigs going to a closed party at the Brown Hotel in Denver...
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Re: Mexican Oil Depletion
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2008, 05:26:04 AM »
That doesn't answer my question at all. 
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Re: Mexican Oil Depletion
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2008, 08:03:04 AM »
What does that but hole corner of the world need oil for anyway.......chris3