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Obama's verbal slip fuels his critics. ("My Muslim Faith")
« on: September 08, 2008, 08:21:52 AM »
I am not surprised.  Fraudian Slip probably.

Obama's verbal slip fuels his critics
Christina Bellantoni (Contact)
Sunday, September 7, 2008
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/07/obama-verbal-slip-fuels-his-critics/

ST. LOUIS, Mo. - Sen. Barack Obama's foes seized Sunday upon a brief slip of the tongue, when the Democratic presidential nominee was outlining his Christianity but accidentally said, "my Muslim faith."

The three words -- immediately corrected -- were during an exchange with ABC's George Stephanopoulos on "This Week," when he was trying to criticize the quiet smear campaign suggesting he is a Muslim.

But illustrating the difficulty of preventing false rumors about his faith from spreading, anti-Obama groups within one hour of the interview had sliced it out of context and were sending it around via email. They also were blogging about it.

Mr. Obama, who is a Christian and often proudly speaks about how his faith has influenced his public service, said he finds it "deeply offensive" that there are efforts "coming out of the Republican camp to suggest that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith."

The exchange came after Mr. Obama said that Republicans are attempting to scare voters by suggesting he is not Christian, which McCain campaign manager Rick Davis said was "cynical."

Asked about it on ABC, Mr. Obama said, "These guys love to throw a rock and hide their hand."

"The McCain campaign has never suggested you have Muslim connections," said Mr. Stephanopoulos, who repeatedly interrupted Mr. Obama during the interview.

"I don't think that when you look at what is being promulgated on Fox News, let's say, and Republican commentators who are closely allied to these folks," Mr Obama responded, and Mr. Stephanopoulos interrupted: "But John McCain said that's wrong."

Mr. Obama noted that when Republican vice presidential nominee Gov. Sarah Palin "was forced" to talk about her pregnant 17-year-old daughter, he issued a forceful statement to reporters that the line of inquiry was "off limits." But he said the McCain campaign tried to tie him to "liberal blogs that support Obama" and are "attacking Governor Palin."

"Let's not play games," he said. "What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you're absolutely right that that has not come."

Mr. Stephanopoulos interrupted with, "Christian faith."

"My Christian faith," Mr. Obama said quickly. "Well, what I'm saying is that he hasn't suggested that I'm a Muslim. And I think that his campaign's upper echelons have not, either. What I think is fair to say is that, coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith -- something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a pretty long time."

Asked to comment on the accidental misstatement illustrating the difficulty of the issue, Obama spokesman Bill Burton offered this comment: "I'm not surprised that the only outlet doing this story is The Washington Times."

You can view the full context of Mr. Obama's comments on ABC here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I

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Re: Obama's verbal slip fuels his critics. ("My Muslim Faith")
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2008, 08:23:58 AM »
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Christian faith != vile corrupt Marxist.
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2008, 08:25:00 AM »
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Christian faith != vile corrupt Marxist.

Obama doesn't have religion, he has religiosity. It's worn like a hat.

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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2008, 08:35:11 AM »
I thought Obama was himself a religious figure.

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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2008, 08:50:38 AM »
The guy is a perpetual gaffe machine......imagine him dealing with foreign leaders and without a teleprompter........


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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2008, 09:01:29 AM »
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Mr. Obama, who is a Christian and often proudly speaks about how his faith has influenced his public service

Christian faith != vile corrupt Marxist.

There are Christian denominations that endorse leftism. Think 'liberation theology'.
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2008, 09:13:06 AM »
Obama IS a Freudian slip.

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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2008, 11:24:43 AM »
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Mr. Obama, who is a Christian and often proudly speaks about how his faith has influenced his public service

Christian faith != vile corrupt Marxist.

There are Christian denominations that endorse leftism. Think 'liberation theology'.

And there are "denominations" that embrace the leader nailing every 12 y/o girl in the congregation. Just cause someone claims to be "Christian" don't mean they bear even a passing resemblane to the actual faith.......
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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2008, 12:29:06 PM »
And there are "denominations" that embrace the leader nailing every 12 y/o girl in the congregation. Just cause someone claims to be "Christian" don't mean they bear even a passing resemblane to the actual faith.......

I heard a very interesting sermon once.  The preacher was meantioning how when someone does something evil, others say he/she isn't a true Christian.  He pointed out that salvation is through belief and faith, not through action.  So, simply believing/worshipping/venerating Jesus is enough to qualify as a Christian.   One who does evil deeds while worshipping Jesus is merely being a bad or lapsed Christian for not following the ten rules.   But, as always, faith trumpts action. 

I thought it was an interesting perspective.  From a reading of the Bible, it seems to be a correct. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2008, 04:34:23 PM »
Without a teleprompter Obama is an idiot. He has to be programed and run only that program. A drone in the truest sense. This could explain all of his present votes while in office. His handlers forgot to give him a detail sheet.
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Re: Obama's verbal slip fuels his critics. ("My Muslim Faith")
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2008, 04:48:13 PM »
He intentionally said it.  If her were to type it, it would be " my 'Muslim faith' ".  Watching it in context, that's pretty clear.

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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2008, 06:19:24 PM »
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Mr. Obama, who is a Christian and often proudly speaks about how his faith has influenced his public service

Christian faith != vile corrupt Marxist.

There are Christian denominations that endorse leftism. Think 'liberation theology'.

And there are "denominations" that embrace the leader nailing every 12 y/o girl in the congregation. Just cause someone claims to be "Christian" don't mean they bear even a passing resemblane to the actual faith.......

Do you accept this principle with regards to Muslims?

I don't get why this is even a rumor-the man is obviously not Muslim.
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Re: Obama's verbal slip fuels his critics. ("My Muslim Faith")
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2008, 06:37:09 PM »
Dude mis-spoke.

Unless he is a Republican it is a non-issue.

And there are "denominations" that embrace the leader nailing every 12 y/o girl in the congregation. Just cause someone claims to be "Christian" don't mean they bear even a passing resemblane to the actual faith.......

Do you accept this principle with regards to Muslims?

No doubt.  Some will use Islam as a tool to get what they desire or as an excuse, etc.

Also, I think that Westernized, assimilated muslims in the USA are likely not orthodox muslims, given their scriptures and the relevant commentary.  Kinda like the "Catholic Lite" folks in America who consider themselves R Catholic, but do not hold with orthodoxy in many cases.
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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2008, 06:44:04 PM »
Dude mis-spoke.

Unless he is a Republican it is a non-issue.

And there are "denominations" that embrace the leader nailing every 12 y/o girl in the congregation. Just cause someone claims to be "Christian" don't mean they bear even a passing resemblane to the actual faith.......

Do you accept this principle with regards to Muslims?

No doubt.  Some will use Islam as a tool to get what they desire or as an excuse, etc.

Also, I think that Westernized, assimilated muslims in the USA are likely not orthodox muslims, given their scriptures and the relevant commentary.  Kinda like the "Catholic Lite" folks in America who consider themselves R Catholic, but do not hold with orthodoxy in many cases.

Agreed-on both counts.  There are people on every side of the political and moral spectrum who will twist whatever they have in order to fit their desires.

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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2008, 09:18:28 PM »
The guy is a perpetual gaffe machine......imagine him dealing with foreign leaders and without a teleprompter........


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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2008, 11:39:13 PM »
Hey they can have California.

Aw man.  sad

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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2008, 11:55:28 PM »
Hey they can have California.

Aw man.  sad



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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2008, 01:52:19 AM »
I know, I know...but I keep dipping into my "Get the heck out of CA fund" to buy guns and stuff.

Jeez, I am so weak.  sad    grin
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2008, 01:53:51 AM »
I know, I know...but I keep dipping into my "Get the heck out of CA fund" to buy guns and stuff.

Jeez, I am so weak.  sad    grin



But think of the stuff you could buy if you were in a free state. grin
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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2008, 03:11:39 AM »
Okay I get the slip, and its not what's being implied.
People are claiming he's a Muslim, and he's saying that, in a very Bush-like way. 

He often says things that make one go "Huh?"....but fears that he is Muslim are unfounded and off base.  He is something much more dangerous: A Marxist.
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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2008, 04:22:46 AM »
And there are "denominations" that embrace the leader nailing every 12 y/o girl in the congregation. Just cause someone claims to be "Christian" don't mean they bear even a passing resemblane to the actual faith.......

I heard a very interesting sermon once.  The preacher was meantioning how when someone does something evil, others say he/she isn't a true Christian.  He pointed out that salvation is through belief and faith, not through action.  So, simply believing/worshipping/venerating Jesus is enough to qualify as a Christian.   One who does evil deeds while worshipping Jesus is merely being a bad or lapsed Christian for not following the ten rules.   But, as always, faith trumpts action. 

I thought it was an interesting perspective.  From a reading of the Bible, it seems to be a correct. 
Yeah, being Christian doesn't make you perfect.  My pastor always said some of the most evil people in history were Christians.  Living a Christian way of life is a personal struggle and we all fail at times, some more than others.  There are a lot more than just 10 rules though.  That is just a start.

On the OP, I think he misspoke.  I do crap like that a lot myself.  For me it comes from my thoughts getting ahead of my words or getting distract from what I was saying.  Smiley  I have no idea why Obama does it.  All I know is if his name was Bush and he had an "R" next to his name, a lot more people would be saying or implying he was stupid. 
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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2008, 05:49:37 AM »
The truth is Obama isn't a Christian or a Muslim.  He is first and foremost a Fascist, a Liberal Fascist to be specific.  Some will call him a socialist, but if you know your history, he's a facist, though not a brutal as the Musolini's and Hitler's of the past.  Think of Obama as 'Facist Nice'.

What this means is that he seeks to replace traditional religion with the worship of the state.  Once the people become completely dependent on the government, they naturally migrate away from their churches and in effect, see government as god.  Very easy to implement your 'progressive' programs when you're god, eh?  Didn't we spend the last century fighting against the forces of Fascism?  Shocking we're heading down that road as our former enemies embrace capitalism and democracy.

Read "Liberal Fascism" by Goldberg.  It tends to focus on Hillary but fits to an even greater extent for Obama.

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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2008, 06:30:48 AM »
Totalitarianism is a Hydra with many heads.  Does it matter which head we are seeing at any given moment?  Obama has all the answers and he plans to impose his solutions on us.

I prefer to just see him as the Second Coming...of Napoleon.

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Re: Obama's verbal slip fuels his critics. ("My Muslim Faith")
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2008, 06:57:15 AM »
And there are "denominations" that embrace the leader nailing every 12 y/o girl in the congregation. Just cause someone claims to be "Christian" don't mean they bear even a passing resemblane to the actual faith.......

I heard a very interesting sermon once.  The preacher was meantioning how when someone does something evil, others say he/she isn't a true Christian.  He pointed out that salvation is through belief and faith, not through action.  So, simply believing/worshipping/venerating Jesus is enough to qualify as a Christian.   One who does evil deeds while worshipping Jesus is merely being a bad or lapsed Christian for not following the ten rules.   But, as always, faith trumpts action. 

I thought it was an interesting perspective.  From a reading of the Bible, it seems to be a correct. 

Hmm, the interaction of "faith, not works, " and "once saved, always saved."

There is much more to those two subjects than that preacher explained and there are also great debates on the validity of each.

So, be careful applying that "knowledge" about Christianity, as probably a majority of Christians are in denominations that take issue with one or both of those propositions.
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Re: Obama's verbal slip fuels his critics. ("My Muslim Faith")
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2008, 07:23:21 AM »
Frankly I could care less if the guy is a muslim or not.  Or christian, for that matter.  I've known good and bad examples of both.  But I thought this:

Mr. Obama, who is a Christian and often proudly speaks about how his faith has influenced his public service,

meant that he was a religious zealot and should be kept well away from any public office.  Or does that only count for Republicans?
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