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New species found in the Mekong delta-----------I wonder why?
« on: December 17, 2008, 01:26:18 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/12/16/rat.mekong/index.html

 A rat believed to be extinct for 11 million years, a spider with a foot-long legspan, and a hot pink cyanide-producing "dragon millipede" are among the thousand newly discovered species in the largely unexplored Mekong Delta region.


The "dragon millipede" is among the 1,068 new species discovered in the Mekong Delta region.

more photos »  The region, including parts of Vietnam and five other countries, is home to 1,068 species found between 1997 and 2007, according to a World Wildlife Fund report released this week.

Some of the creatures were not lurking in fertile floodplains or tropical foliage.

A scientist visiting an outdoor restaurant was startled to see a Laotian rock rat among the nearby wildlife. The hairy, nocturnal, thick-tailed rat, which resembles a squirrel, had been thought for centuries to be extinct.

"There is a certain amount of shock because our scientists will sometimes see something that doesn't fit anything they know," said Dekila Chungyalpa, Director of the Fund's Mekong Program. "They run through a catalogue of wildlife in their brain, asking themselves, 'Have I seen this?'"

Perhaps a more startling discovery than the rat was a bright green pit viper scientists spotted slithering through the rafters of a restaurant in Khao Yai National Park in Thailand.

The Fund dubbed the Mekong a "biological treasure trove." The organization's report "First Contact in the Greater Mekong" says 519 plants, 279 fish, 88 frogs, 88 spiders, 46 lizards, 22 snakes, 15 mammals, four birds, four turtles, two salamanders and a toad were found.

Scientists are still trying to determine if they have uncovered thousands of new invertebrate species.

Scientists are discovering new species at a rate of two per week, said Chungyalpa, who said the reason for publishing the report now was twofold.
 
"We realized that we should highlight these discoveries in part because of the legacy of war and conflict in the region," she said. "There's an urgency with the threat of development in the Mekong countries."


What happened in the vicinity that so many previously unidentified species are showing up?  Not all of the countries were exposed to Agent Orange so I wouldn't think that was the source.  Are they mutations or just somehow missed being classified previously?  I will bookmark this one and follow up if I can.


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Re: New species found in the Mekong delta-----------I wonder why?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2008, 01:29:00 AM »
Take a scientist into a rain forest and he'll discover a couple new species. The bio-diversity is incredible, the populations of each are small, the creatures are elusive etc etc
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2008, 01:31:20 AM »
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The Fund dubbed the Mekong a "biological treasure trove." The organization's report "First Contact in the Greater Mekong" says 519 plants, 279 fish, 88 frogs, 88 spiders, 46 lizards, 22 snakes, 15 mammals, four birds, four turtles, two salamanders and a toad were found.

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Re: New species found in the Mekong delta-----------I wonder why?
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2008, 01:39:39 AM »
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Are they mutations or just somehow missed being classified previously?
Nobody looked before.  There's... one... two? stable governments in the region, I think, and that's rather recent.  That makes it hard to mount a scientific expedition.  Add that to the factors Balog mentioned, and there you have it.  People haven't just now seen these things.  People who give a flip are just now seeing these things.

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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2008, 01:45:17 AM »
I used to be into cryptozoology, and while a lot of it is nutters they do make a very valid point about the difficulty of finding every species in a given space. Didn't they discover an unknown type of fairly large ox in SE Asia a couple decades ago? I can't remember the specifics. 
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2008, 02:28:43 AM »
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I used to be into cryptozoology, and while a lot of it is nutters they do make a very valid point about the difficulty of finding every species in a given space. Didn't they discover an unknown type of fairly large ox in SE Asia a couple decades ago? I can't remember the specifics. 

they found a whole new species of Asian Elephant a few years ago too, if a herd of large mammals can go undetected
in Asia I suppose "Yeti's" could too.

As far as new species go, here in the states we say, oooh, look at that, I wonder what it is ... over there they say, "I wonder what it taste like" :lol:
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Re: New species found in the Mekong delta-----------I wonder why?
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2008, 05:33:06 AM »
I used to be into cryptozoology, and while a lot of it is nutters they do make a very valid point about the difficulty of finding every species in a given space. Didn't they discover an unknown type of fairly large ox in SE Asia a couple decades ago? I can't remember the specifics. 
IIRC they discovered some deer-sized critter not more than 10 years back. Laos again I think it was.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2008, 07:27:39 AM »
Despite the locals calling the big pink centipede "Fred" for the last 1000 years
Its not discovered until some white guy from the Smithsonian puts one in a jar.
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2008, 07:34:10 AM »
Despite the locals calling the big pink centipede "Fred" for the last 1000 years
Its not discovered until some white guy from the Smithsonian puts one in a jar.

That's pretty much how it is.  Over there, the smart place to look for "new" species might be the open air markets.  Everything that walks, crawls, jumps or flies is a candidate for the fry pan.
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Re: New species found in the Mekong delta-----------I wonder why?
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2008, 07:38:00 AM »
Well, heck. It's Bush's fault.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2008, 07:40:29 AM »
Yip, my buddy Mark Moffett is one of those guys that gets to travel to weird places and "finds" new species

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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2008, 08:57:27 AM »
That is usually the case.  Locals often know all about these animals and don't think much of them.  It takes someone who recognizes that difference. 

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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2008, 12:40:40 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2008, 02:21:10 PM »
That's pretty much how it is.  Over there, the smart place to look for "new" species might be the open air markets.  Everything that walks, crawls, jumps or flies is a candidate for the fry pan.

That's actually how they found the Laotian rock rat. It was thought to have been extinct for 11 million years until they found one in a food market.

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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2008, 05:58:24 PM »
That's actually how they found the Laotian rock rat. It was thought to have been extinct for 11 million years until they found one in a food market.

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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2008, 09:44:03 PM »
Grandpa, you probably had several of those species crawling through your bivouac way back then  :O
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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2008, 10:30:23 PM »
The stuff we saw floating or swimming in the sewers they called rivers and canals wasn't anything I would eat or want to handle.  The army guys may have seen stuff I didn't.  The Marines ate anything in sight. :laugh:

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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2008, 10:31:14 PM »
Despite the locals calling the big pink centipede "Fred" for the last 1000 years
Its not discovered until some white guy from the Smithsonian puts one in a jar.

Close.

The white guy from the Smithsonian also has to assign "Fred" a suitably scientific-sounding Latin name. Without a suitably scientific-sounding Latin name, "Fred" simply cannot qualify as a species. It's all in the name.
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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2008, 10:52:40 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2008, 11:01:44 AM »
Close.

The white guy from the Smithsonian also has to assign "Fred" a suitably scientific-sounding Latin name. Without a suitably scientific-sounding Latin name, "Fred" simply cannot qualify as a species. It's all in the name.

Don't forget that Fredicus on the north side of the river is a different sub-species than Franicus on the south side of the river - that way both groups are endangered  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2008, 12:58:46 PM »
To heck with guns, I'm gonna get some of those Cyanide spitting millipedes and shoot them at baddies with a slingshot.
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Re: New species found in the Mekong delta-----------I wonder why?
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2008, 01:15:25 PM »
The millipedes require a tax stamp, and they have too much recoil anyway.  The centipedes work pretty well, however - with a quality gonkulator.
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« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2008, 01:22:49 PM »
I picked up a milliepede as a kid once, OW!
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Re: New species found in the Mekong delta-----------I wonder why?
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2008, 01:32:09 PM »
Centipedes and millipedes?  Gosh durn it, this is 'Merica.  We have inchipedes and severalinchipedes.  Try to keep that straight.
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