"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
is not part of the COTUS, the governing document of these United States.
Next you're going to tell us Jefferson authored the COTUS from Paris while including the words, "separation of church and state," the Nazis bombed Pearl Harbor, and Old Yeller was first pitched as "Brokeback Beagle," a sex-positive take on a boy & his dog.
Wow, Ok you got me I misattributed a quote from The Declaration of Independence to the Constitution, perhaps the gravest of errors to even be made on the internetz! Oh I beg for your forgiveness oh great protector of truth and integrity of the documents of the United States. But as I see that is the
only facet of my post you commented on I'll assume you agree with the rest of it, as you could find no other flaw to wildly make fun of.
Well then, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about what constitutes severe pain. I endured worse "torture" back in college, and it wasn't any big thing.
Headless can you please elaborate on this "torture" you endured while in college. Did it include stress positions, sleep deprevation, nudity, being subject to extreme cold? Did it include all of these at the same time as what seems to be the M.O. for interrogators. I think it would enlighten the board to hear a more in depth account of your "torture".
I think what some posters are trying to say is that these actions alone dont constitute torture, but when combined or taken one method to the extreme it can constitute torture.
Not so obvious, unless every taser, use of OC, or the like by LEOs on recalcitrant suspects who die (usually due to some underlying cause merely exacerbated by the taser/OC/etc) is also torture. As with OC & tasers, vigorous, non-torturous interrogation techniques stress the hell outta the guy in the receiving end, but only cause death when the target already has an underlying problem
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Many flaws with the logic in that statement. To my knowledge OC has never killed anyone, but if I tied you up and sprayed OC in your eyes every 15 minutes, that would be torture, would it not? (Im not saying this has ever been done anywhere in history, just making an example) Just as if I left you in a room that was 32 degrees for an hour, that would suck but not be torture. If I left you in that 32 degree room naked for 24 hours, you would probably die of hypotermia. Would that be torture? Yes. Police officers also do not use OC or Tazers to draw a confession out of a suspect they use it to subdue a suspect who is being uncooperative, or violent. If I assault an officer and he uses a Tazer to stop, and arrest me is that torture? No. If I robbed a bank and got away but then cops caught up with me later but didn't have any evidence and then used a Tazer to shock me into confessing and telling them where I hid the evidence, that would be torture.
Just because someone dies while being interrogated does not prove that torture was involved. Heck, one guy in the ER my wife helped square away died yesterday while being questioned by his doctor. Obviously, it was torture and not the already-diagnosed liver failure, pneumonia, congestive heart failure, and O2 stats so low a yoga master couldn't limbo under them.
He was receiving medical attention while being questioned by a doctor in a hospital. This is a bad analogy.