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Bill of Rights
« on: March 23, 2009, 03:26:12 PM »
Some of you may be interested to learn that today, a mere two hundred plus years after your revolt, the British Government today announced that it would be setting out to create a Bill of Rights for the UK.  Unfortunately, we do not have men the calibre of your Founding Fathers currently in our Government - which means that the Green Paper they have come up with includes the following:

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Among the rights that could be explicitly spelled out in the new bill of rights are:

• Good administration: this could be access to public decision-making that "gets it right" by delivering lawful, rational and procedurally fair decisions.

• Victims in the criminal justice system: making victims' rights explicit could be an important indication to all involved in the criminal justice system that their interests must be given due importance in the legal process.

• Children: a right for children to achieve wellbeing whatever their background or circumstances. This could help to emphasise that the government and wider society should both play a part in prioritising the needs of children and improving outcomes for them.

Among the responsibilities it might explicitly set out are:

• Obeying the law, reporting crimes and co-operating with prosecution agencies.

• Paying taxes.

• Participating in civic society through voting and jury service, although moving to compulsory voting is specifically ruled out.

• Living within our environmental limits: this might refer to agreed UK principles of sustainable development and to the existing statutory provisions for access to information, public participation, and access to justice in environmental matters that enable citizens to engage actively in improving their own and others' quality of life while respecting environmental limits.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/mar/23/bill-of-rights-straw

On a related theme, do you recommend yachting across the Atlantic, or sneaking across the Mexican border as the best way for a person to get into your country?
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Re: Bill of Rights
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2009, 03:33:46 PM »
I'm sure the British people will be glad they have enshrined their right to pay taxes.

Also, Mexico is the way to go, definitely.

However, if you can get a visa and over-stay it, you will even have legitimate papers here. (Even if expired).
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2009, 03:34:37 PM »
Good grief!  That's simply Orwellian.  Eric Blair must be saying "I'm told you so" from somewhere.

And to think my ancestors left before the first English Bill of Rights. =D  Good thing they left before EBoR 2.0!

I believe the Mexican route is the best option.  
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Re: Bill of Rights
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2009, 03:50:56 PM »
Quote from: El Tejon on March 23, 2009, 03:34:37 PM
I believe the Mexican route is the best option. 

Yup.  Bring some cash, and you can probably find a guide to get you into the US.
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2009, 03:53:16 PM »
Pffft!  Just walk over the border in El Paso and ask for political asylum.

Of course, BICE may send you back as you have escaped from an asylum (aka a loony bin). =D
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Re: Bill of Rights
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2009, 04:19:16 PM »
Yep, the Mexican Border is the way to go.  Heck Bring your British passport and saunter right on in.  ICE/CBP/Whatevertheircallingthemselvesthismonth will probabably be stunned to see an actual passport, that they'll rollout the red carpet for you.
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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2009, 04:19:46 PM »
So, you're not actually getting a bill of rights, you're getting a "bill of nice things the government will (maybe) extend to you in return for what the government says is expected of you."

Uhm...

Nice?
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2009, 04:49:06 PM »
Shows how "rights" have been changed over time.

In the late 18th century, "rights" were things you had that others (notably government) weren't allowed to interfere with . . . by and large, you were free to live your life as you wanted.

Today's twisted logic defines "rights" to include the involuntary imposition of obligations on others.

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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2009, 04:58:39 PM »
Hank, looks like your bucking to go to room 101.  You must be one of those Goldstein people.......

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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2009, 05:01:41 PM »
scout, did you hear?  The chocoration has been rasied to 5 grams.  Doubleplus good that!
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Re: Bill of Rights
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2009, 05:06:29 PM »
Aw, c'mon! It's a satire, for heaven's sake!
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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2009, 05:07:10 PM »
I guess someone needs to let that guy know that our Bill of Rights does not define rights or responsibilities of the people.  It defines a set of written limitations on Federal power.  

Given that they probably don't even teach that over here anymore, maybe I can excuse his not knowing that.
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Re: Bill of Rights
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2009, 05:42:09 PM »
These are not "rights"....  Good grief.  These are socialist responsibilities or duties.
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Re: Bill of Rights
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2009, 06:34:44 PM »
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Green Paper they have come up with includes the following:

Words to stir one's soul, indeedy.

That is so lame.
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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2009, 06:45:25 PM »
Agricola -

When you leave Jolly Olde England, be sure to pull the plug and let the water start flowing in.  Go rould to a few spots and pull multiple plugs.  Let Airstrip One sink.

We can use Gibralter for a while.  At least there the monkeys are real.

Give us a ring when you have dried you feet after crossing the Rio Grande.  Let us know where you are staying, and we'll come knock you up.  (OK, maybe not Mr. TackyPants.)  Don't get your hopes up too high - most of the beer comes straight from the horse and is served almost frozen.

stay safe.

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PS - that BOR your blokes are suggesting.  I have an idea of where they can enshrine it.  I'd be glad to come over and assist.
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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2009, 09:29:27 PM »
Quote from: vaskidmark on March 23, 2009, 06:45:25 PM
Give us a ring when you have dried you feet after crossing the Rio Grande.  Let us know where you are staying, and we'll come knock you up.  (OK, maybe not Mr. TackyPants.) 

Well, no, as a rule I don't knock up other dudes.  Even if it were possible.   :laugh:  Oh, maybe you meant "knock up" in the British sense of the term.   =)
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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2009, 09:30:33 PM »
Oh, and just in case anyone is wondering...

England adopted a bill of rights in 1689.
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Re: Bill of Rights
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2009, 09:33:51 PM »
Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 23, 2009, 09:30:33 PM
Oh, and just in case anyone is wondering...

England adopted a bill of rights in 1689.

We didnt.  It was imposed by MPs, just as this one is. 
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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2009, 11:30:31 PM »
Quote from: agricola on March 23, 2009, 03:26:12 PM
Some of you may be interested to learn that today, a mere two hundred plus years after your revolt, the British Government today announced that it would be setting out to create a Bill of Rights for the UK.  Unfortunately, we do not have men the calibre of your Founding Fathers currently in our Government - which means that the Green Paper they have come up with includes the following:

Seriously.  What's the point of creating such a document?  If it's going to just corrode at your country's freedom, why don't they continue their successful strategy of a death by a thousand small cuts?  Or are they merely tired of destroying their country inch by inch and want to start taking by the mile?

There's just something...  wrong about making a BoR that is more specific in tax payer obligations, and less on protecting the rights of the citizenry. 
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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2009, 12:48:32 AM »
"We didnt.  It was imposed by MPs, just as this one is."

Uh, that's how the Parliamentary system works in its role as representatives of the people.

The voting public in the United States didn't adopt the US Bill of Rights, either. It was approved by Congress, then sent to the individual states where their legislatures voted on the Amendments. There was no national plebiscite, the representatives of the people acted on behalf of the people.
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« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2009, 01:26:14 AM »
I'm sponsoring a Scot I know here in Florida, he's a real good guy, has become a big time gunnie from hanging with me. I helped a guy from Brittony during college. You want, I'm always good to sponsor through an immigration attorney. My only rules are be a decent person, don't try to take away my 2nd Amendment rights, don't be too hard leaning a socialist(better if you are genuine capitalist), and either speak english or at least be willing to learn (ticks me off how many folks I see at the courthouse that have lived here in Florida five plus years and don't [not can't but won't] speak english, and the truth of the matter is that being bi-lingual don't buy you much any as an attorney knowing all the bi-lingual attorneys I know).

So get your tail over here, England will be a Muslim country in thirty or forty years.
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