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If Your Employer Gave You a Year Off....
« on: April 15, 2009, 08:02:41 PM »
... at 1/3 of your pay, would you take it?

I would take this deal in a heartbeat.  I currently live at about 1/3 of my means anyway, so this would be a sweet deal for me. Half a year hunting, half a year fishing.  :laugh:

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/nyregion/13bigcity.html?_r=1&em

April 13, 2009
Big City
$80,000 for a Year Off? She’ll Take It!
By SUSAN DOMINUS

This year may be a disastrous one for the global economy, but it’s shaping up to be one of the best that Heather Eisenlord has enjoyed in a good long while. Granted, that might not be saying much: For the past five years, Ms. Eisenlord has been an associate at Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, a notably grueling place for a lawyer to work.

But even by more stringent standards of fun, the coming year looks pretty good. Ms. Eisenlord, 36, who works in Skadden’s banking group, will be buying a plane ticket that will take her around the world for a year, and she’s been stocking her apartment in Brooklyn with Lonely Planet travel guides.

Although she’s not yet sure exactly what she’ll be doing on her trip, she has some ideas. She would like to teach English to monks in Sri Lanka and possibly help bring solar power to remote parts of the Himalayas. She’ll probably hit 10 to 15 destinations around the world, most likely practicing not-for-profit law wherever she can be helpful.

The best part of all: Skadden is paying her about $80,000 to do it.

For a sixth-year associate at a New York law firm, $80,000 isn’t exactly competitive pay. But for someone cruising around the world, doing good wherever she sees fit and, let’s face it, probably hitting a beach or two, the pay is excellent.

Only in a financial world turned upside down would an arrangement like this one make sense. Looking to cut costs like everyone else, but not prepared to lay off associates, Skadden has chosen instead to offer all of its associates — about 1,300 worldwide — the option of accepting a third of their base pay to not show up for work for a year. (So far, the partners have no equivalent arrangement.)

The company is helping associates find pro bono work, and is encouraging them to do so. But the lawyers could also spend the year catching up on every episode of “Top Chef” that they missed during the boom years, or traveling around the world, “all of which is O.K. by us,” said Matthew Mallow, a partner at the firm. Other firms have adopted similar strategies, but Skadden’s program is unusual in that it has no pro bono requirements.

As of Friday, about 125 associates had expressed interest. “I think it’s fair to say that the numbers are in excess of our expectations,” Mr. Mallow said.

Only at a corporate law firm would the managers underestimate employees’ interest in taking a year off from the grind for what most of America would consider a small fortune.

Not everyone could cover monthly living expenses on a third of one’s pay, and naturally some skeptical lawyers grilled the partners about job security. If there are layoffs in a year, they wondered, is it really possible that the lawyers who’d been defending trees in British Columbia wouldn’t be disadvantaged, compared with the lawyers who’d been slaving away on contracts in Midtown?

Not only were the lawyers assured that their time away wouldn’t hurt them; in some ways it would be protective: If there are layoffs while they are away, they will be immune.

So far, the majority of the lawyers are looking for worthwhile legal work, Skadden says, to keep them as competitive as possible; but yes, some will take the year off to spend time with their children or look after a sick relative. Someone’s planning to wrap up his Ph.D., someone else is looking into legal work for a news organization, and another associate will be joining Ms. Eisenlord on her round-the-world adventure.

Ms. Eisenlord says she fully intends to go back to Skadden after her trip, and will be eager to return to the work she loves and the co-workers she admires. It’s possible that after a year teaching monks English, installing solar panels in the Himalayas and working on human rights in developing nations, she will come to the conclusion that there is no more fulfilling life than the one she has spent in corporate law.

But maybe she will have some kind of revelation. If there is any silver lining to this financial catastrophe, it’s that business as usual has come to a grinding halt. Sometimes it takes getting thrown out of the office to notice there is a life outside.

Already, Ms. Eisenlord seems to be making some sort of transition. Has she been getting any work done lately as she anticipates this thrilling new trip?

“No comment,” she said.

Spoken like a lawyer — but a lawyer on the verge.

E-mail: susan.dominus@nytimes.com

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: April 15, 2009
The Big City column on Monday, about an arrangement at the Manhattan law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom in which associates can take a year off at one-third pay, referred imprecisely to the firm’s efforts to cut costs. Although it is not planning to lay off any associates, it has in fact laid off some employees — including secretaries, support staffers and staff lawyers.
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Re: If Your Employer Gave You a Year Off....
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2009, 08:30:40 PM »
If I got $80K sure, but 1/3 of my pay isn't quite that high.  :)
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Re: If Your Employer Gave You a Year Off....
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2009, 08:32:14 PM »
Short answer... no.  Not at my pay rate.  $80K?  Sure.

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Re: If Your Employer Gave You a Year Off....
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2009, 08:46:59 PM »
Not my pay rate, either. $80K? Hell to the yeah!

I'd travel the US for a year...maybe on the real cheap, but I'd assume I'd already have at least a small RV.





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Re: If Your Employer Gave You a Year Off....
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2009, 10:32:35 PM »
Not my pay rate, either. $80K? Hell to the yeah!

I have to admit, I'm living on about half my income, so 1/3 wouldn't quite do me without killing my retirement savings.  Especially in the current down economy, which has ravaged my investments.

On the other hand, $80k would be quite a raise, and YES, I'd be willing to do quite a few things for it, if they went and told me to be charitable and such.


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Re: If Your Employer Gave You a Year Off....
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2009, 11:27:21 PM »
I' do it at my current pay, but I'd want like 6-8 monts notice.  I'd sell my house and most of my crap and go camping/travelling for a year.
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Re: If Your Employer Gave You a Year Off....
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2009, 12:11:04 AM »
The Navy is doing something along the same lines.

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20 officers, 20 enlisted sailors will be granted extended leave

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If you have always wanted to take a year off from the Navy to go to graduate school, start a family, or maybe climb Mount Everest, but did not want to give up your entire naval career, now is your chance.

The Navy posted on Monday the official start of its "Career Intermission Pilot Program," in which officers and enlisted sailors can apply to leave the active-duty service for one to three years and then return to their career path exactly where they left off.

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=61712

This is interesting, to say the least. Qualifications will fall by the wayside, not eligible for promotions, and no telling what else. On the surface, it looks like an appealing program, but I think it will harm a career more than enhance it.

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Re: If Your Employer Gave You a Year Off....
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2009, 12:48:29 AM »
One word: Sabbaticals.
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Re: If Your Employer Gave You a Year Off....
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2009, 05:59:17 AM »
Hell, I'd WORK for $80,000 a year.  :laugh:
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Re: If Your Employer Gave You a Year Off....
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2009, 07:28:36 AM »
I might take the sabbatical if my company still payed into my 401k. Gotta keep that growing.

As it is, I get lots of time off, so a 1 year leave at onethird pay isnt too enticing.
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Re: If Your Employer Gave You a Year Off....
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2009, 07:32:13 AM »
One word: Sabbaticals.

Most places you have to work for quite a number of years before you can get a sabbatical.
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Re: If Your Employer Gave You a Year Off....
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2009, 08:12:06 AM »
I'd do it, and get another job in the meantime. 

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Re: If Your Employer Gave You a Year Off....
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2009, 08:12:19 AM »
Hell, I'd WORK for $80,000 a year.  :laugh:

Me too. I'd be living like king turd on poop mountain with that much income.

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Re: If Your Employer Gave You a Year Off....
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2009, 10:17:54 AM »
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I would of course want to keep my health benefits and TSP contributions going as well. I would also do this like for three or six months if those were options too. It would be a nice break, much better than a week off here or there for regular vacation.
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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2009, 10:21:59 AM »
Must.....refrain....from....changing....Charby's.....board....name.

Must.... refrain... from calling Homeland Security.... telling them about Ben's right wing plot and the whole plan is stored deep in his anus.

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Re: If Your Employer Gave You a Year Off....
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2009, 10:27:00 AM »
Dude, I have a National Security Clearance. The government has already been deep in my anus, and has setup housekeeping...  :laugh:
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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2009, 10:28:18 AM »
Dude, I have a National Security Clearance. The government has already been deep in my anus, and has setup housekeeping...  :laugh:

I drank 2 beers and ate nachos at a Holiday Inn last night. I trump your security clearance.

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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2009, 10:32:49 AM »
Dude, I have a National Security Clearance. The government has already been deep in my anus, and has setup housekeeping...  :laugh:

Same here and I'm up for my 5yr renew, which means they're building the addition...

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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2009, 12:03:27 PM »
Must.....refrain....from....changing....Charby's.....board....name.

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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2009, 12:12:14 PM »
Give into the temptation...... :angel: :angel: :angel:

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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2009, 12:29:26 PM »
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Same here and I'm up for my 5yr renew, which means they're building the addition...

Lucky for you Chris, with the stimulus spending, they're including extra Vaseline this year.  =D
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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2009, 12:37:40 PM »
Remember I can do that same.. What shall I call you.  :police:

Sounds like a fair trade-off to me...... =D
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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2009, 07:14:14 PM »
If someone can get an entire year off at 1/3 of their salary they are redundant and should be let go. Heck I can't get a day off to save my life. I'm even having a hard time trying to take one of the 10 mandatory unpaid days they are requiring everyone at my company to take this year. Never mind not having a single actual vacation day in the last 4 years.

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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2009, 10:36:29 PM »
If someone can get an entire year off at 1/3 of their salary they are redundant and should be let go. Heck I can't get a day off to save my life. I'm even having a hard time trying to take one of the 10 mandatory unpaid days they are requiring everyone at my company to take this year. Never mind not having a single actual vacation day in the last 4 years.

IT guy?  I actually took a three week block of time last year, my coworkers thought the sky was falling.

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Re: If Your Employer Gave You a Year Off....
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2009, 10:52:40 PM »
Eh, some redundancy is a good thing.  Accidents and illness happen, after all, and if your business can't function without a single individual, you could be setting it up to fail.
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