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How much CO2 does this website produce?
« on: July 11, 2009, 04:31:05 PM »
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Wissner-Gross estimates every second someone spends browsing a simple web site generates roughly 20 milligrams of C02. Whether downloading a song, sending an email or streaming a video, almost every single activity that takes place in the virtual environment has an impact on the real one.


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"Some studies estimate the internet will be producing 20 percent of the world's greenhouse gases in a decade. That is clearly the wrong direction. That is clearly unsustainable," added St. Arnaud.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/07/10/green.internet.CO2/index.html

Quick somebody sue Al Gore for damages!
Didn't he invent the internet or something? :laugh:

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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2009, 04:40:30 PM »
You know, if we could get everyone to stop breathing we could put an end to man-made globular woerming....

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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2009, 04:43:54 PM »
Our host purchases solar energy.

So, none on the server side?  At least that's the pitch.  =)

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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2009, 06:33:43 PM »
Yeah, but think how much CO2 Fistful must generate with his own computer.

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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2009, 09:44:52 PM »
Wissner-Gross can go take a flying leap.

Knowing the guys around here, CO2 is not the greenhouse gas I would worry about.

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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2009, 09:49:03 PM »
Yeah, but think how much CO2 Fistful must generate with his own computer.

Oh, it's worse than that.  I've got four of them now. 
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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2009, 10:59:16 PM »
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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2009, 01:24:51 AM »
You know, if we could get everyone to stop breathing we could put an end to man-made globular woerming....

Wouldn't matter too much.  Humans generate 3% of all CO2 production.  Nature counts for the 97% via volcanos, decay of organic matter, etc. 

The overwhelming majority of heating or cooling trends is due to solar activity.  Greenhouse gasses are real and do effect temperatures, but their importance pails in the face of the sun.  Most things do.
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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2009, 06:04:24 AM »
Wouldn't matter too much.  Humans generate 3% of all CO2 production.  Nature counts for the 97% via volcanos, decay of organic matter, etc. 

The overwhelming majority of heating or cooling trends is due to solar activity.  Greenhouse gasses are real and do effect temperatures, but their importance pails in the face of the sun.  Most things do.

The solution is obvious then. Block all volcanos and ban dying.
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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2009, 09:59:27 AM »
Beats me but I think Jamis and Mtnbkr produce more than this sites fair share of methane by themselves.
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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2009, 11:52:34 AM »
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You know, it makes sense for the libs to go after the internet. It's the only source of information besides talk radio that they can't fully control (yet).

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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2009, 11:57:35 AM »
Wouldn't matter too much.  Humans generate 3% of all CO2 production.  Nature counts for the 97% via volcanos, decay of organic matter, etc. 

Source? 
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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2009, 12:20:16 PM »
You know, it makes sense for the libs to go after the internet. It's the only source of information besides talk radio that they can't fully control (yet).

I'm sure they'd like to.

There's a reason that EFF exists.

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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2009, 12:48:14 PM »
Source? 

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba634

It is very hard to find unbiased sources when it comes to actual hard information.  I'm not claiming this National Center for Policy Analysis is or is not biased.  Few folks seem to be interested in the pure research, most seem to be content to proving their particular pre-conceived notions are correct.

 
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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2009, 04:08:55 PM »
How much methane do the anti-gun sites produce ?

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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2009, 04:58:15 PM »
Is hot air worse than methane?
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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2009, 08:34:01 PM »
Well, it does contribute to "global warming".

"Global Warming"; do we really need another religion ?

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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2009, 01:02:05 PM »
It depends on wether or not it is cocktail hour or not.......chris3

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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2009, 02:08:31 PM »
Wouldn't matter too much.  Humans generate 3% of all CO2 production.  Nature counts for the 97% via volcanos, decay of organic matter, etc. 

The overwhelming majority of heating or cooling trends is due to solar activity.  Greenhouse gasses are real and do effect temperatures, but their importance pails in the face of the sun.  Most things do.


But everyone not breathing would end "MAN-MADE" Gloublar Woerming.   =D =D =D
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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2009, 03:21:16 PM »
But everyone not breathing would end "MAN-MADE" Gloublar Woerming.   =D =D =D

All right.  You go first. ;)
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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2009, 03:29:57 PM »
All right.  You go first. ;)
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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2009, 10:26:20 PM »
How much CO2 does this website produce?  Not nearly enough.
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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2009, 10:16:30 AM »
I think I have enough spare parts lying around to add another two systems to run 24/7 I'll be sure to set them up on APS so we get the credit.   That would bring me up to 6 of course I'd have to leave them all on 24/7  right now only 3 run 24/7.

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Re: How much CO2 does this website produce?
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2009, 11:05:46 AM »
Looking at the OP, I wonder why this guy thinks 20% generated by the internet is unsustainable--the size of that 20% depends entirely upon the size of the whole pie.  Computers don't really consume all that much energy unless they're doing something really processor-intensive, and new LCD monitors use way less energy than old CRTs.  New improvements on processor and related technologies increase efficiency of those processes pretty quickly--think about how much energy each cycle of the processor uses--that number has diminished significantly in merely the last 10-15 years.  (Pentium 1, about 100 W/GHz, Pentium 4, about 20-30 W/GHz, a factor of about 4)

Yet, it seems inevitable that the relative proportion of information-transfer related emissions will increase as more of the world enters the information age.
Do these estimates take into account the reduced emissions from people using the internet to go window-shopping, as compared to cars?  What about the overall effects of telecommuting, or internet social networking compared to bar-hopping?

I submit that the overall carbon footprint of the internet is probably negative.  I mean, it's positive compared to sitting in a cold, dark room alone, but not compared to doing the things the internet allows one to do with relative ease.

Back-of-the envelope calculation suggests just breathing generates about 804 grams of CO2 per day.  So the 100 milligrams from browsing an internet site is really miniscule.

On the other hand, since complicated Flash animations are processor-intensive, maybe this will encourage some web designers to go with a more bare-bones look, with fewer ridiculous ads.  =D