Author Topic: History Channel -- Locked and Loaded (Read 18978 times)

Ben · « **on:** October 24, 2009, 05:01:45 PM »

Anyone watch this show with R Lee Ermey?

Don't know how long it's been running -- I just caught and DVR'd it last night. The one I caught was on rifle comparisons from muskets through full auto. Some neat graphics and slow motion shots.

Some of what they cover is pretty basic, but probably the most interesting part of last night's show for me was the comparison of the 1903 Springfield and the No.1 MKIII Enfield. The Enfield blew away the Springfield in a speed contest on plate targets. I had no idea there was such a difference in reloading speed between the two, even given the Enfield having the 10 vs 5 round magazine.

Gewehr98 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 24, 2009, 05:08:06 PM »

Been watching it since the first episode. Good stuff.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #2 on:** October 24, 2009, 05:16:06 PM »

Isn't speed the Enfield's big selling point? That and its history.

Jamisjockey · « **Reply #3 on:** October 24, 2009, 05:20:33 PM »

It's a great show, and its nice to see the Gunny on TV again

mtnbkr · « **Reply #4 on:** October 24, 2009, 05:44:33 PM »

Been watching since the beginning. There was a great episode on cannons and such.

Chris

Jamisjockey · « **Reply #5 on:** October 24, 2009, 06:10:42 PM »

Speaking of cannons...anyone see the Duct Tape cannon on Mythbusters?

Ben · « **Reply #6 on:** October 24, 2009, 06:23:39 PM »

Argh! Late to the party again! I've got me some catching up to do. :)

AmbulanceDriver · « **Reply #7 on:** October 24, 2009, 06:29:36 PM »

Quote from: JamisJockey on October 24, 2009, 06:10:42 PM

Speaking of cannons...anyone see the Duct Tape cannon on Mythbusters?

Caught the end of that episode. Absolutely the coolest thing ever!

Viking · « **Reply #8 on:** October 24, 2009, 07:08:44 PM »

Quote from: AmbulanceDriver on October 24, 2009, 06:29:36 PM

Caught the end of that episode. Absolutely the coolest thing ever!

Yep. Did they say how many rolls they needed?

mtnbkr · « **Reply #9 on:** October 24, 2009, 07:29:56 PM »

Quote from: JamisJockey on October 24, 2009, 06:10:42 PM

Speaking of cannons...anyone see the Duct Tape cannon on Mythbusters?

Yup, that was pretty neat.

There's a Mythbusters marathon on right now in fact.

Chris

Jamisjockey · « **Reply #10 on:** October 24, 2009, 07:45:38 PM »

The duct tape episode is one of the best in awhile, hands down.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 24, 2009, 08:07:58 PM »

On one part of the duct tape cannon, they had the breach end of a cannon closed off by a 1" thick pad of cross hatched duct tape strips installed between flanges. It held up to the cannon blast but had a lot of damage. I imagine the cannon could fire, but it wouldn't be able to fire too many times. Similarly, they lifted a car with 99 strips of duct tape. They did it for a couple minutes, then the tape started to fail.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 24, 2009, 08:11:13 PM »

Speaking of Enfields and Mausers, why is the Mauser action the one that seems to be most copied and used on bolt action rifles. Is it more accurate, stronger, more widely produced, or just the first?

Does anyone make a good 308 Enfield? I already have one of the surplus models AIM was selling a while back.

Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas · « **Reply #13 on:** October 24, 2009, 08:14:29 PM »

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Is it more accurate, stronger, more widely produced, or just the first?

Not officially patented after WW1? Pretty sure it's stronger than the Enfield action.

Ben · « **Reply #14 on:** October 24, 2009, 08:27:26 PM »

Quote from: mtnbkr on October 24, 2009, 07:29:56 PM

Yup, that was pretty neat.

There's a Mythbusters marathon on right now in fact.

Chris

The duct tape one is on at 7 Pacific

mtnbkr · « **Reply #15 on:** October 24, 2009, 08:31:37 PM »

Quote from: MechAg94 on October 24, 2009, 08:07:58 PM

On one part of the duct tape cannon, they had the breach end of a cannon closed off by a 1" thick pad of cross hatched duct tape strips installed between flanges. It held up to the cannon blast but had a lot of damage. I imagine the cannon could fire, but it wouldn't be able to fire too many times.

Huh? I thought it only singed the top layer They made a bunch of plates expecting to try a bunch of lighter loads to find one that wouldn't burst the plate, but it worked on the first one.

Chris

seeker_two · « **Reply #16 on:** October 24, 2009, 08:45:06 PM »

I'm a fan of L&L....despite a few bits of misinformation (...like the fact that JMB didn't invent the pump-action shotgun...it was Christopher Spenser...and it was around before the Span-Am War.... :rolleyes: )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Spencer#Post-Civil_War

Quote from: MechAg94 on October 24, 2009, 08:11:13 PM

Speaking of Enfields and Mausers, why is the Mauser action the one that seems to be most copied and used on bolt action rifles. Is it more accurate, stronger, more widely produced, or just the first?

Enfields lock at the rear end of the bolt, not at the head....OK for the .303 round, but stronger rounds led to headspacing issues....Mausers with the front locking lugs were stronger in this aspect....but the Enfield's cock-on-closing made it far quicker to cycle than the Mauser....

Jamisjockey · « **Reply #17 on:** October 24, 2009, 09:09:06 PM »

Quote from: mtnbkr on October 24, 2009, 08:31:37 PM

Huh? I thought it only singed the top layer They made a bunch of plates expecting to try a bunch of lighter loads to find one that wouldn't burst the plate, but it worked on the first one.

Chris

That was what I saw, too. It singed the plastic but didn't burn through the first layer of the threads in the tape. I was impressed.

Cromlech · « **Reply #18 on:** October 24, 2009, 09:42:54 PM »

I loved that episode. I want to make that boat. :D

Jim147 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 24, 2009, 11:36:05 PM »

And speaking of thread drift. How many grains of fffg do you think I can get in my 3rd model Dragoon if I duct tape the ball in the cylinder?

jim

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #20 on:** October 25, 2009, 12:21:00 AM »

Quote from: MechAg94 on October 24, 2009, 08:11:13 PM

Speaking of Enfields and Mausers, why is the Mauser action the one that seems to be most copied and used on bolt action rifles. Is it more accurate, stronger, more widely produced, or just the first?

I'm not enough of a rifle geek to answer this comprehensively, but my first guess is that the Mauser/Springfield rifles were easier for civilian hobbyists to bubba into sporting rifles.

Besides, if you were trying to sell sporting rifles, you'd easily choose the Mauser design over the Enfield. With all due respect to the Enfield's considerable abilities and accomplishments, it looks and feels like something cobbled together out of sheet metal. The Mauser, by comparison, is elegant simplicity and grace. It looks and feels like something strong and expertly-crafted. And it can, in fact, handle more powerful loads than the Enfield - an important factor for sporting-rifle manufacturers.

After all, "German engineering" is a marketing hook. "British engineering" causes customers to cringe and look about for the exit.

Gewehr98 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 25, 2009, 01:24:26 AM »

Mounting a scope on a Lee-Enfield is not a lot of fun. I'm not saying it cannot be done (I have an Aussie Lithgow NoIMkIII* so configured), but it's definitely easier on a Mauser. The front-locking Mauser bolt is considerably stronger than the rear-locking Lee-Enfield, too. Leave the Lee-Enfield to low-pressure rimmed rounds, and you're good to go. Boost the working pressures up to .308 Winchester or so, and you're left working with a higher grade of steel (ala' the Ishapore .308 Enfields) rather than a garden-variety WWI NoIMkIII or WWII No4Mk1. There are No4Mk1(T) style British sniper conversions out there in .308 Win/7.62mm NATO, but they're the exception, rather than the rule.

That's just me though, Mr. Gewehr98.

I'd also go on record to say that of all my military toys, the bone-stock No5Mk1 Jungle Carbine is one of the easiest to just grab and head out to the deer woods. That's a regular, military-issue rifle that requires no "sporterizing" to put venison on the table. It's fast-handling, packs plenty of wallop with a 174-180gr handload, and is slicker than snot on a brass doorknob to load, chamber, and fire up to 10 times, with or without 2 each 5-round stripper clips. The only other military rifle I have that approaches it is an 1895 Dutch (Steyr) Mannlicher Cavalry Carbine in 6.5x53R.

Balog · « **Reply #22 on:** October 25, 2009, 02:26:10 AM »

Call me crazy, but some Mauser actions are cock on closing right?

Fly320s · « **Reply #23 on:** October 25, 2009, 07:55:08 AM »

Quote from: JamisJockey on October 24, 2009, 06:10:42 PM

Speaking of cannons...anyone see the Duct Tape cannon on Mythbusters?

Saw it last night. That is great!

The whole show was about duct tape.

Gewehr98 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 25, 2009, 11:00:51 AM »

Those before the Gewehr98, yes.

Swedish Mauser, Spanish Mauser, Argentine Mauser, etc.

There are cock-on-opening kits for them, if one is so driven.

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Author Topic: History Channel -- Locked and Loaded (Read 18978 times)