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Man says he will protest city's gun ban by carrying gun into community center

By Susan Gilmore

Seattle Times staff reporter

A Seattle man said he plans to carry a gun into a Seattle community center today to protest Mayor Greg Nickels' ban on carrying guns into city parks.

"As a courtesy, this is advance notice that at noon tomorrow, Saturday, November 14, I plan to exercise my legal right to bear arms in Seattle's Southwest Community Center, 2801 SW Thistle Street." said Bob Warden in a letter to the Seattle Parks Department. "I will be safely and securely carrying my holstered Glock pistol. I have a current valid state of Washington license to carry concealed."

Warden said he has been an attorney in Washington state since 1991, but he doesn't currently practice law and works in labor relations for an unnamed federal agency in the Seattle area. He said he will take a gun into the community center because the city's new gun ban "was promulgated in knowing and blatant violation of state and federal law."

The ban went into effect last month in certain park facilities and eventually will affect hundreds of playgrounds, community centers, sports fields, swimming pools and water-play areas.

Nickels in September proposed the ban specifically to protect children, but the move immediately drew criticism from gun-rights advocates and questions about its legality.

State Attorney General Rob McKenna said after the gun ban was announced that state law pre-empts local authority to adopt firearms regulations, unless specifically authorized by law.

Nickels said state law does not prohibit a property owner from imposing conditions on the possession of firearms on his or her property.

According to Nickels, the city believes a municipal-property owner such as Seattle may impose limits on firearms as a condition of entry or use of particular facilities, particularly those where children and youth are likely to be.

Four gun-rights groups and five individuals said last month they are suing the city of Seattle and Nickels over the new ban on guns in city parks.

But Warden said Friday he believes the plaintiffs may not have standing because they haven't been denied admission to a city park, and parks officials confirmed Friday the issue has not arisen at any facility.

"I expect their suit may be dismissed," he said, adding that he intends to file his own lawsuit if denied admission to the community center.

"I will do so promptly, and I will have legal standing," said Warden, 44, a graduate of the University of Washington law school. "I don't think public officials should get away with ignoring the law."

He said he will use McKenna's opinion in his suit.

He said he informed the city about his plans because "I don't want to play hide the ball." Further, he doesn't want anyone to get hurt.

Nickels' spokesman Alex Fryer said if Warden "has a firearm, we'll tell him he must leave the community center."

He said if turned away today he will comply, and he described what he would be wearing so he'll be easy to identify.

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There was a followup article in the Seattle Times today. He went to the community center, press in tow, and was met by the head of security for the Parks Department. She politely asked him to leave and he did so. There were several SPD officers there observing, but nothing of significance happened. 
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Man, some of the reader comments in the Seattle Times will just make your head hurt!  The tendency of people to open their pie hole despite a complete lack of knowledge never ceases to amaze me.
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I am not convinced that any good will come of this.  =(

If nothing else, it's a man standing up for his convictions and the law.  I wish him the best.
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It's been going well so far. Let's hope he uses his new standing to sue the crap out of everyone he can.
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I"m sorry, but how can you legally challenge this? If the mayor says you can't have guns, then you can't have guns. Case closed. I don't care what the Constitution says on the issue.

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Posted under the Dem4Life moniker.  Not exactly giving Dems a good name, is he?
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I"m sorry, but how can you legally challenge this? If the mayor says you can't have guns, then you can't have guns. Case closed. I don't care what the Constitution says on the issue.

oookay...  there are so many ways to retort to that comment!

Yeah, but it'd be a lot like trying to reason with a sidewalk.
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Yeah, but it'd be a lot like trying to reason with a sidewalk.

Reasoning with sidewalks is easy.  All you need is a very large sledge hammer, applied vigorously and repeatedly.

I'm afraid arguing with that particular individual would be a bit more difficult...
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Micro Sez: This is quite... innovative.
Innovative?  It's a common enough for someone to deliberately break a law in order to challenge it.

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It's my experience that 'comments' on articles, youtube videos, and so forth, will always contain the silliest representatives of any political faction. Am I wrong?

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Reasoning with sidewalks is easy.  All you need is a very large sledge hammer, applied vigorously and repeatedly.

I'm afraid arguing with that particular individual would be a bit more difficult...

Could you use the same technique and tools?
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