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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2010, 01:57:10 PM »
Exactly. I was in fact referring to that. :D
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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2010, 01:57:32 PM »
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The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

He doesn't seem to be a fan of capitalism either.
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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2010, 01:59:21 PM »
He doesn't seem to be a fan of capitalism either.

If you read the whole thing, he was a leftist. It was ALL a rant against capitalism. (Or, at least, his idea of what capitalism is, he was actually decrying "crony capitalism," but was blinded by his leftism.)
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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2010, 02:00:41 PM »
He doesn't seem to be a fan of capitalism either.

He grouses in his letter about repeated FedGuv bailouts of private industries out of his pocket.

From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

The cynicism fits the act.

Bush/Obama style zero-risk investments are exactly that.  And they aren't actually Capitalism.  But it's the only capitalism this guy ever saw for about 30 years or so.
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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2010, 02:01:58 PM »
If you read the whole thing, he was a leftist. It was ALL a rant against capitalism. (Or, at least, his idea of what capitalism is, he was actually decrying "crony capitalism," but was blinded by his leftism.)

And decrying government agencies for not being sufficiently pro-active, too. Nevermind, he'll be painted as a right-wing whacko by the media anyway.
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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2010, 02:04:38 PM »
And decrying government agencies for not being sufficiently pro-active, too. Nevermind, he'll be painted as a right-wing whacko by the media anyway.

Which is yet another reason to smile at the declining power of the "media."
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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2010, 02:05:02 PM »
Well, there's also the parts that seem to be a rant about how he sucked at avoiding taxes, probably because he couldn't decide if he wanted to evade taxes or protest taxation.

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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2010, 02:39:13 PM »
The only good news is that it's not a whacky right wing gun toting religious guy that went nuts. So, this will only be in the news a day or two. We need to get back to important stuff like how straw buyers in Houston supply all the guns to the Mexican narco-criminals.
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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2010, 02:54:03 PM »
re embeddedart.com:

Copied verbatim from site, since I suspect it might disappear soon:


Yep.  It's gone, at the FBI's request.
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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2010, 02:54:55 PM »
. . . Even if the Founding Fathers were in charge, they would react to a rebellion with (at the very least) armed force.
George Washington himself did so, when he used ~15,000 Federal troops to collect taxes during the Whiskey Rebellion. (Some people mark this as the event that began the erosion of American liberty . . . )
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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2010, 02:56:25 PM »
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Guy put some thought into it.  Worked on the file for two days.
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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2010, 02:58:48 PM »
re embeddedart.com:

Yep.  It's gone, at the FBI's request.


And I'm sure the FBI is just thrilled that they took it down but conveniently placed a link to The Smoking Gun's copy of the same document.  :laugh:
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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2010, 03:08:21 PM »
Sounds like the guy had a major beef with... life.  No income but he still pulled $5000 pulled out of savings and spent 1000 hours on a mail campaign to various reps and elected officials over, what appears to be, a broad-spectrum disagreement with the government in general?  Not the workings of a sensical mind.  The guy was obviously very structured, but with a screws loose in other behavioral areas.  That kind of doggedly linear thought pattern is indicative of deeper-seated psychological issues. Extreme obsessive-compulsive, more than likely.  Wouldn't be surprised me at all if it came out that he'd been treated for it.

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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2010, 03:21:06 PM »
And I'm sure the FBI is just thrilled that they took it down but conveniently placed a link to The Smoking Gun's copy of the same document.  :laugh:

Technically, they complied.

If the Feds don't like it, they need to be more specific.  :P

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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2010, 03:58:57 PM »
The key part of the word "terrorism" is its root:  terror.

Most crimes are committed for their immediate benefits to the criminal:  A bank robber robs a bank so that he will have the money that he stole.

For a crime to be a terrorist crime, the point of the crime has to be to induce terror that goes beyond the immediate proximity of the crime.  In addition, that has to be the intent of the crime. 

Sure, a guy robbing a bank at gunpoint may cause terror among those in the bank; if that's all, then it's not a terrorist crime.  It might even cause others, who were not in the bank, to feel terror at the idea of going to a bank, for fear that the same thing might happen to them.  But it's still not a terrorist crime, because the purpose of the crime was not the terror; the purpose of a simple bank robbery is just loot.

For a criminal to be a true terrorist, he has to have an agenda, the furtherance of which (by way of fear induced in the public) is the goal of the crime.

The sticky wicket is that that places "terrorism" in the same category as "hate crime":  thought-crime.  And that way lies a legal morass.

The handy thing about terrorist crimes are that, in order to actually induce terror in the populace, you have to do something pretty heinous (like fly a plane into a building, or blow up a cafe full of people).  Which means that we don't need "terrorism" as an aggravating element of a crime; you blew up a cafe, killing 20, and we have you on 20 counts of Murder 1.  Congratulations, you've won free (but very very brief) medical care from the State.

Whether or not the act of flying a plane into the FBI/IRS building qualifies as a terrorist act depends entirely upon whether the man's intent was to invoke terror in the populace, rather than simply to kill a few people on his way off the mortal coil.  And it doesn't matter.  His act is neither more nor less reprehensible because of his motivations for committing it.

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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2010, 04:46:54 PM »
The system does work well, doesn't it?

Of course the system works. He had to steal a dinky little single engine toy because the TSA wouldn't give him a commercial airliner to use as his own, personal cruise missile.
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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2010, 05:06:51 PM »
"The true mad scientist does not make public appearances! He does not wear the "Hello, my name is.." badge!
He strikes from below like a viper or on high like a penny dropped from the tallest building around!
He only has one purpose--Do bad things to good people! Mit science! What good is science if no one gets hurt?!"

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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2010, 06:04:01 PM »
I've been to that office a few times.  Since they're probably reading this, I will compliment them and say that [pants on fire]the agent I dealt with was competent and friendly.[/pants on fire]   =)

While they do have some very nice people in a call center somewhere and I've reached a fair resolution with them on most issues, I've found that avoiding confrontation with the IRS is preferred.  Mr. Stack, apparently, did not see it this way.

I agree with Brad's thinking on it.  Trouble dealing with reality?  Yes.  Terrorist?  No.  People have offed themselves over less.  This guy just managed to get some attention on his way out.  Unfortunately, he wasted a good plane and house, injured a couple of people, severely damaged a nice building, started an investigation that will cost taxpayers millions of dollars, possibly destroyed tax records that will have the IRS hassling businesses and individuals to replace, required relocation of the Austin IRS office at more taxpayer expense, and disappointed his family.
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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2010, 06:56:44 PM »
Of course the system works. He had to steal a dinky little single engine toy because the TSA wouldn't give him a commercial airliner to use as his own, personal cruise missile.
He seemed to do a pretty good job with what he had.
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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2010, 10:26:19 PM »
Technically, they complied.

If the Feds don't like it, they need to be more specific.  :P



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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2010, 12:19:36 AM »
I heard that the IRS recently bought some shotguns, they really needed .50 calibers, y'know the Brady bunch says they can take out airplanes a mile away with them.
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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #48 on: February 19, 2010, 12:55:38 AM »
Scout26's definition of Terrorism: Tracks along with Broken Paw's.  The key caveat being repetition.  Lone, Disgruntled, Nut Job crashing his plane into the IRS office, is not terrorism.  There are no follow-on LDNJ's ready to repeat the act, variations thereof, or worse, unless the demands of the LDNJ's group are met.  In this case, LDNJ wanted to give Uncle Sugar a giant FU.  

A criminal act is one commited for some type of personal gain (no matter how obtuse, like "revenge-again-those-that-done-me-wrong."), even if repeated (like bank robbery).

A terrorist act is one designed to force a government, to change it's policy(ies) by creating fear in it's citizens.  



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Re: Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office
« Reply #49 on: February 19, 2010, 09:36:39 AM »
Nevermind, he'll be painted as a right-wing whacko by the media anyway.

Yep.  Here's a "report" from my good buddy Chris Matthews!  Who does he bring in to the discussion?  None other than the utterly-credible Mark Potok of the SPLC!  Once Mark enters the discussion, militia and Timothy McVeigh are mentioned within seconds.   =|

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#35466515