Pilot Kamikazes IRS Office

[Bob F.]

On Fox News right now: Single engine plane crashes and burns into 7 story ofc bldg. near FBI & IRS offices. Happened about 1100hrs EST. Now they think pilot set fire to his house and crashed plane into bldg. Y'all chime in with better reports!

2 transported to hosp and 1 unaccounted for at this time.

Supports the claim we all need to keep a basic emergency kit handy: change of clothes, walking shoes, first aid kit and a bottle of water, couple granola bars?

Stay safe.
Bob

[AZRedhawk44]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html

A small single-engine plane crashed into a seven-story office building in Austin, Texas, around 10 a.m. local time Thursday.

An NTSB official told Fox News that they are investigating this as an intentional act, and said it appears the pilot set his own house on fire and then got in his plane and flew it into the building. An NTSB spokesman, however, told FoxNews.com that "we can't confirm any of that."

An IRS office is located inside the building, NTSB told Fox News.

The Austin American-Statesman newspaper reported on its Web site that EMS officials have taken two patients to the hospital, and that there are several "walking wounded" at the scene. Paramedics have set up a triage center at the scene.

Harry Evans, an assistant chief with the Austin Fire Department, said one person from the building was unaccounted for.

"There may be other injuries, we are unsure at this time," Evans said during a news conference Thursday.

Heavy smoke could be seen coming from the building at 9420 Research Boulevard. Several local witnesses on Twitter reported seeing flames coming out of the building and lots of broken glass.

Dozens of fire trucks were on scene and the building was evacuated.

Early reports that the building housed the FBI field office in Austin later turned out not to be true. An FBI spokesman told Fox News that the FBI office in Austin is near where the plane crashed, but not in the same building. There are some federal offices in the building, though authorities couldn't identify which ones.

The FBI spokesman also told Fox News that as of 10:30 a.m. local time. there was nothing to indicate that this targeted the FBI or that the crash was terrorism-related.

"The building lies along a flight path," the spokesman said, so right now it looks like an "accident."

KXAN is reporting that emergency crews are on the scene, and two people are still unaccounted for, according to fire officials. The station also reported that the collision shook the entire building, and the entire front of the structure is gone.

Rush is reporting that this was an IRS office, not FBI.

[HankB]

I saw the smoke from my office (on the 5th floor) which is some distance away from the crash site . . . thought it was a house fire or something.

Went down to the fitness center before lunch for a workout, turned on the TV to FOX, and saw it was a plane crash.  

I drive by that building about every other weekend, so I'm somewhat familiar with the area. Local news reported that the building hit was one of three buildings in the "Echelon" office complex, and that IRS offices are in the building hit. Didn't know that . . .  (FBI offices are in another building nearby.)

Local news reported that two people who work in the building are "unaccounted for." The plane came in over the Gateway Center shopping center (Container Store, Crate & Barrel, Whole Foods, Best Buy, couple of restaurants, etc.) across Hwy 183 so a lot of people saw it happen. Eyewitnesses said the plane appeared to be under control and going full speed as the plane dove  into the building. One witness - a pilot - said the aircraft did "not seem to be in any distress."

Happened less than 2 hours ago, so news reports are still fragmentary and speculative. But some speculation has it that this MAY not have been an accident, but someone with a grudge against the IRS.

[Sawdust]

Just read a report that the pilot set his own house on fire before taking-off in the plane...

Sawdust

[BridgeRunner]

...but someone with a grudge against the IRS.

Well, that narrows it down a whole lot, doesn't it?

[AZRedhawk44]

So:

If it turns out to be a disgruntled pilot who torched his house and destroyed his plane to eliminate valuable assets through an IRS audit that he vehemently disagreed with the tax rate...

...is he a terrorist?

Here's where the Patriot Act and new terrorism legislation becomes interesting in the hands of Democrats.

[MicroBalrog]

How is he not a terrorist?

[Gewehr98]

We should ban Cessnas.

It's for the children.  

(Merged 2 identical threads, too...)

[Jamie B]

Latest word is that is was a stolen plane, not his.
Seems that there was a domestic at his house, he escaped the scene before LE arrived, setting home on fire.
Wife and daughter were rescued by neighbor - home destroyed.

He then allegedly then stole the plane from a local airport, and flew it into the IRS / FBI building.

MSNBC says not terrorist act- I beg to differ - probably to not cause panic.

Jamie

[BridgeRunner]

He then allegedly then stole the plane from a local airport, and flew it into the IRS / FBI building.

I'm so glad the TSA has just implemented new procedure #5,732,047,572,083,956,982 to prevent anyone from doing something like flying an airplane into a building and killing a bunch of people.

[AZRedhawk44]

How is he not a terrorist?

If he's a terrorist under those circumstances, then so were Hancock/Adams/Washington/Jefferson/Revere.

Taking war to your OWN government is not a terrorist action.  It might be criminal... but not terrorist.

Taking war to ANOTHER government than your own and fighting against their civilian population, is terrorism.  I don't consider a single attack against US Armed Forces overseas to be terrorism.  It is guerrilla warfare and asymmetric, but it isn't terrorism until it targets non-governmental forces.

ETA:  If this guy is an arsonist/attempted murderer of his wife and child/tax dodger and plane thief, then that's what he is.  But, I still contend it isn't terrorism.

[280plus]

I'm so glad the TSA has just implemented new procedure #5,732,047,572,083,956,982 to prevent anyone from doing something like flying an airplane into a building and killing a bunch of people.

The system does work well, doesn't it?

[Jamie B]

So this means that Timothy McVeigh was not a terrorist?

Jamie

[AZRedhawk44]

Not in my opinion.

Nor is Lon Horiuchi.

[MicroBalrog]

ETA:  If this guy is an arsonist/attempted murderer of his wife and child/tax dodger and plane thief, then that's what he is.  But, I still contend it isn't terrorism.

Terrorism is defined, under US law, as:

"(2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;"[50]"

I think this guy qualifies as a 'clandestine agent', and the IRS as a non-combatant. Certainly so is his wife. Let's hope he's just a madman, though. The political ramifications of a terrorist act like this for our side at this juncture would be unbelievably dire.

[Cromlech]

Taking war to your OWN government is not a terrorist action.  It might be criminal... but not terrorist.

So the London 7/7 bombers weren't terrorists?

 EDIT - Never mind, I forgot we are talking about attacks on a government.

[BridgeRunner]

If he's a terrorist under those circumstances, then so were Hancock/Adams/Washington/Jefferson/Revere.

I don't have a problem with this. 

[AZRedhawk44]

IRS as a non-combatant.

IRS has armed agents and SWAT teams.

That nullifies any claim to "non-combatant" status, IMO.

by subnational groups or clandestine agents;

He's probably neither of these things.  No association to a subnational group, and not acting in an official capacity for a government or private agency.  Just his own volition.

An agent:

a person who acts in an official capacity for a government or private agency, as a guard, detective, or spy

source:  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/agent

There are other definitions of "agent" but obtusely choosing to use the one that best fits your argument then is capable of allowing stop-n-rob hood activities as acts of terrorism.

[Harold Tuttle]

manifesto
Well Mr. Big Brother IRS man... take my pound of flesh and sleep well.
http://embeddedart.com/

[AZRedhawk44]

Just to clarify, before I anger anyone needlessly...

I don't condone crashing airplanes into IRS offices.  I don't condone killing IRS agents or lay employees.

However, I have STRONG opposition to the idea of the goobermint classifying Americans as terrorists when we decide we've had enough of our government and decide to bring force against it.

This guy broke several laws and is not a saint by any stretch.  He tried to murder his own family.  I am sure he's giddily roasting in Hell right now.

I'm just concerned about any establishment of precident that this was a "terrorist action."  It would have extremely dangerous potential to be used against protest groups under the pretense they are all potential terrorists.

[AZRedhawk44]

manifesto
Well Mr. Big Brother IRS man... take my pound of flesh and sleep well.
http://embeddedart.com/

Copied verbatim from site, since I suspect it might disappear soon:

If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?”  The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time.  The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken.  Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it.  I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head.  Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy.  Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all.  We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers.  Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”.  I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood.  These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind.  Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours?  Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies.  Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”.  It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system?  Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand.  Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand.  The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is.  If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.

How did I get here?

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s.  Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English.  Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions.  In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy.  We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God).  We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living.  However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0.  It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie.  It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father.  I realized this at a very young age.

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.  My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker.  Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement.  Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement.  All she had was social security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time.  When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me).  I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread.  I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made.  I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).

SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.

(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.

Note:

·      "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

·      "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

·      "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.

 

Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated.  The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d).  Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave.  Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time.  I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity.  This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”.  Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise.  The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists).  This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle.  If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks.  Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s.  Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that.  The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco.  However, because the government caused it, no one gave a *expletive deleted*it about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall.  Again, I lost my retirement.

Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed.  Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare.  Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months.  This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive.  Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY!  After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change.  Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while.  So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done.  I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work.  The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a *expletive deleted*ck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA.  This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income.  I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need.  The sleazy government decided that they disagreed.  But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out.  Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

So now we come to the present.  After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again.  But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle.  After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order.  I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting.  Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit.  By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented).  Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone.  The end result is… well, just look around.

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything.  Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”.  Now when the wealthy *expletive deleted*ck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone.  The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government.  Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough).  In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand.  It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants.  I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after.  But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change.  I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less.  I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are.  Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer.  The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of *expletive deleted*it at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different.  I am finally ready to stop this insanity.  Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

 

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

 

Joe Stack (1956-2010)

02/18/2010

 

 

[Jamisjockey]

I don't have a problem with Americans being classified as terrorists, per se.
What I have a problem with is "terrorisim" being assigned a seperate class of treatment.  Removing one's human rights under the guise of a war on "terror" is a fast track to labeling any attack as terrorisim as a tool for bypassing the BOR and Constitiution.  

[RevDisk]

If he's a terrorist under those circumstances, then so were Hancock/Adams/Washington/Jefferson/Revere.

Taking war to your OWN government is not a terrorist action.  It might be criminal... but not terrorist.

Taking war to ANOTHER government than your own and fighting against their civilian population, is terrorism.  I don't consider a single attack against US Armed Forces overseas to be terrorism.  It is guerrilla warfare and asymmetric, but it isn't terrorism until it targets non-governmental forces.

ETA:  If this guy is an arsonist/attempted murderer of his wife and child/tax dodger and plane thief, then that's what he is.  But, I still contend it isn't terrorism.

The rule used to be you were a terrorist if you didn't an have Air Force.  Count Carl Gustaf von Rosen changed that, with his Biafran Air Force. Since then, you're had the Skytigers, Hamas UAV folks, etc.

So I guess we're back to the original definition.  You're a terrorist if a government says so, and you haven't won yet or have actually lost.  You're a patriot, freedom fighter, etc if you win.
  

[MicroBalrog]

Wait, wait.

Slow down.

Here's a fact:

If there's ever a large-scale citizen uprising in the US, then Gitmo (or the like) will be the least of how the participants will be treated. This is even a good thing, because violent uprisings should be very much the last result and the damage they would do would be far beyond the damage the government does (outside the utmost of tyranny the kind of which is not present currently).

But that's not the point. THe point is, that is how any government would react. Even if the Founding Fathers were in charge, they would react to a rebellion with (at the very least) armed force.

[BridgeRunner]

Even if the Founding Fathers were in charge, they would did react to a rebellion with (at the very least) armed force.

ftfy