Obama Strongly Backs Islam Center Near 9/11 Site

[MicroBalrog]

THis may be interesting to all contributors to this thread:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/08/23/americas_first_muslim_president

[makattak]

THis may be interesting to all contributors to this thread:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/08/23/americas_first_muslim_president

Allow me to summarize for everyone else.

OH NOES!!! TEH EVIL REPUBLICANS WILL DRIVE THE MUSLIM VOTE AWAY!!111!!

(Except for the fact that Obama got 90% of the muslim vote before this controversy where no one said anything bad about Muslims.)

BUSH GOT 70% IN 2000 and Republicans have blown it all!!!!

/end summary

Of course, the article ignores the fact that Muslims had already defected in 2004 because "I think there has been a sense of betrayal, if you will, almost because of the way the Muslim community was treated since 9/11," Mukit Hossain, president of the Muslim American Political Action Committee, told FOXNews.com. "The government has effectively, contrary to what it says, targeted the whole community for the acts of a few criminals."

and:

The survey found that 53 percent of American Muslim voters think Muslims should vote as a bloc for a president; 81 percent also indicated that they support the agenda of the American Muslim Taskforce on Civil Rights and Elections — a national coalition of the 10 largest Muslim organizations, including the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Muslim Alliance of North America and Muslim American Society.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,135970,00.html

Republicans aren't getting the "Muslim vote" back so long as most Muslims support organizations that support terror. (i.e. CAIR)

[longeyes]

The Republicans can embrace their principles or votes at any cost; if they're willing to sacrifice the former for the latter they are as good as useless.

[taurusowner]

The Republicans can embrace their principles or votes at any cost; if they're willing to sacrifice the former for the latter they are as good as useless.

Of course they're willing to sacrifice principles for votes.  When's the last time that wasn't the case?  1994?

[MechAg94]

Of course they're willing to sacrifice principles for votes.  When's the last time that wasn't the case?  1994?

Considering they won big in 1994, I would say that wasn't what happened.  

I think it is not a matter of buying votes, but buying influence and making all their monetary sources happy.  Money talks in elections.  I imagine the pressure to buddy up with those power brokers and political organizations of one type or another is pretty big in D.C.  When someone like that provides campaign workers and funding to help reelection, it is hard to say no when all those principled people out there provide no money and no help.  

There is a local radio talk show guy in Houston called Michael Berry who used to be on the Houston City Council.  That was basically his opinion about elections and "special interests".  When you have special interests providing money and support and those "normal" principled people out there provide no help and no money, which do you think is the more tempting choice?  

[Leatherneck]

Another point of view. He strikes a chord.
TC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjS0Novt3X4&feature=player_embedded

[RevDisk]

Another point of view. He strikes a chord.
TC

Meh.   The guy obviously has an ideological axe to grind.  He lost me when he started that Islam is a hate group that "should be banned" on the grounds of hate speech or whatnot.  Sorry, I don't buy the argument that we need to gut the First Amendment for people's sensitive feelings.  His argument that we should become Nazis so people don't see us as being "soft"...   Yea, no thanks. 

He's obviously entitled to his opinion.  I value his right to free speech just as equal to the people he's ranting about.  I'd be just as quick to argue for his death if he actually tried to implement his ideas as I would for any loonies that tried to impose sharia law in the US.  Both are equally hostile to the Constitution and should be watched with a degree of suspicion.

[MicroBalrog]

So what happened to "there's no right not to be offended"?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

depends whose ox is being gored

[S. Williamson]

So what happened to "there's no right not to be offended"?

How dare you.     I demand that you edit such an incensing post.









 

[Leatherneck]

I agree with Rev; Mr Condell is a little too quick to lean toward the big-brother, Government-imposed solution to an offensive Islamic Jihad in NYC. But his forthright speech about how offensive the GZM is to most Americans and his willingness to call a spade a spade is refreshing.

TC

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

he doesn't discriminate  hes anti all religions

[sanglant]

'septing the ones what will suicide bomb his worthless, umm donky.

[Nitrogen]

[Jamisjockey]

I heard a pundit floating the idea that this guy bought the building for 5mil, and has tried to sell it for 20, and that now there are rumors going around NYC that he's just trying to turn a profit on the building.
Lots weridness on this and it just keeps on going.

[roo_ster]

You wouldn't like to see the size of the circle of those who have materially contributed to jihadis.  And the non-contributing sympathizer circle might cause anxiety.

Then think: material contributors and mere sympathizers are a greater portion of American muslims than muslims worldwide.

[MicroBalrog]

You wouldn't like to see the size of the circle of those who have materially contributed to jihadis.  And the non-contributing sympathizer circle might cause anxiety.

Would you like to see the number of Muslims living in, and supporting, nations that are friendly or allied to the US?

What about the number of Muslims directly serving in allied forces?

What about the number of Muslims sympathetic to the above?

[BReilley]

Would you like to see the number of Muslims living in, and supporting, nations that are friendly or allied to the US?

What about the number of Muslims directly serving in allied forces?

What about the number of Muslims sympathetic to the above?

What I would like to see is the group you mention standing up and denouncing those who would kill in their name.

[MicroBalrog]

What I would like to see is the group you mention standing up and denouncing those who would kill in their name.

You mean, the fact that the world's leading centers of Islamic scholarship denounced terrorism is not enough?

"Cleric condemns suicide attacks"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3059365.stm

"Scholars Call Attacks a Distortion of Islam"
http://www.themodernreligion.com/terror/wtc-distortion.html

It is not enough that a Fatwa has been issued condemning the acts of terrorism?
http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/Qaradawi_et_al.htm

The fact that thousands of these people are bleeding and dying in the ranks of allied militaries fighting against Hamas, against Al-Quaeda, the Taliban, etc. - that is not enough? It is not enough condemnation for you?

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

Where's Barack Obama on that circle? 

[Nitrogen]

Where's Barack Obama on that circle? 

Null set. :)

[Perd Hapley]

Where's Barack Obama on that circle?  

Right in the center.  Who do you think they're worshiping, filthy unbeliever?  


It was a joke.   

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

The fact that thousands of these people are bleeding and dying in the ranks of allied militaries fighting against Hamas, against Al-Quaeda, the Taliban, etc. - that is not enough? It is not enough condemnation for you?

Not enough for me, personally.  I want to see rank and file Muslims denouncing Bin Laden in the same volumes and proportions as I see average Christians denouncing the Westboro Baptists and abortion doc killers.

There are isolated instances of Muslims denouncing 9/11 and violence, true.  But if I'm to believe that the isolated instances of terrorism perpetrated in the name of Islam are not representative of the whole of Islam, then I cannot also believe the isolated instances of Muslims denouncing terrorism as representative of the whole of Islam, either.

[Nitrogen]

Not enough for me, personally.  I want to see rank and file Muslims denouncing Bin Laden in the same volumes and proportions as I see average Christians denouncing the Westboro Baptists and abortion doc killers.

I know Christians that agree with the Westboro Baptists' beliefs, just not their methods.
In fact, a higher percentage of the Muslims I know (100%) denounce Al Qeda than Christians I know that denounce abortion terrorists(about 70%)

What does this mean?  Absolutely nothing.

[longeyes]

The fact that thousands of these people are bleeding and dying in the ranks of allied militaries fighting against Hamas, against Al-Quaeda, the Taliban, etc. - that is not enough? It is not enough condemnation for you?

Guess Maj. Hasan didn't get that memo.