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Where you live affects what you think about gov't
« on: September 25, 2010, 01:17:58 PM »
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2010/09/24/thoughts-from-a-country-mouse/
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I suppose what I’m doing is retracing on a personal level the Great Migration of Americans from the cities to the suburbs and exurbs after World War Two.  A nation of subway and tram riders turned into a nation of motorists — and gradually lost its taste for Progressive era reforms.  City dwellers know they need the state; there was no way I could commute by car to Manhattan and find parking at a reasonable time or cost.  The government stepped in to help me with subsidized mass transit.  Suburban and exurban people aren’t so sure about the government’s role.  Out here, I want government to do its job and fix the roads, but otherwise stay out of my hair — and stop wasting my time and taking my money.

I found this blog post really captures how a change in location dramatically affects the perception of gov't. And in part, explains the pattern we (on this forum) always notice about large cities always leaning heavily social democrat.
Those of us in small cities, suburbs, ex-burbs, and rural homesteads have a very different experience with gov't then those in high rise condos next to the subway station.

When one thinks deeply about it, these observations are obvious. But the effect on mindset is always such a subtle thing that is can so easily be underestimated.

In the post, she only barely touches on the topic of demographics.

It seems that 1900 to 1960, the migration was from the farm toward city and heavy manufacturing life. At this time, popular political ideology was strongly for socialist principles. But the actual implementation was lagging far behind. In many ways, taxes and regulation was much lower.

Now from 1960-2010, the migration has been further and further away from cities. Empowered first by cars and freeways, now by telecommunications. Popular ideology continues to shift back toward individualism, less gov't tax and regulation. But we carry all this socialist baggage from years past. Actual implementation [of de-powering the gov't] is taking years to undo some of those old policies and ideologies. Even now, it feels like the tide is only slowly starting to turn.
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Re: Where you live affects what you think about gov't
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2010, 01:22:40 PM »
The question is, since population is most certainly not trending down, what's going to happen when being urbanized is really the only option?

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Re: Where you live affects what you think about gov't
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2010, 01:53:38 PM »
The question is, since population is most certainly not trending down, what's going to happen when being urbanized is really the only option?

That's going to take some time.

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Re: Where you live affects what you think about gov't
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2010, 02:12:43 PM »
The question is, since population is most certainly not trending down, what's going to happen when being urbanized is really the only option?

Don't be so certain.

Most industrialized nations have negative growth rates. For example, if birthrates stay the same in Japan, in 50years there won't be any Japanese left on the island.

In the US, birthrates are just enough to replace the population. Most of our future pop growth is coming from immigration.

China has had the 1 child policy for a long time.

Most or all of western Europe is below replacement rate. Its population stability or growth also comes from immigration.
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Re: Where you live affects what you think about gov't
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2010, 11:50:51 PM »
(1) "It seems that 1900 to 1960, the migration was from the farm toward city and (the) heavy manufacturing life." (US, individual countries)

(2) "Most or all of western Europe is below replacement rate. Its population stability or growth also comes from immigration." (Global)

Strikes me that (2) is a repeat of (1), except on an inter-national scale instead of intra-national.

Hm.  Mullworthy.
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Re: Where you live affects what you think about gov't
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2010, 12:53:56 AM »
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Where you live affects what you think about gov't

It could very well be the converse of that statement- What you think about government affects where you choose to live.
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Re: Where you live affects what you think about gov't
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2010, 01:44:56 AM »
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It could very well be the converse of that statement- What you think about government affects where you choose to live.

It did for me. I'm not really down here in AL because I love deep-fried okra. ;)

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Re: Where you live affects what you think about gov't
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2010, 12:08:11 PM »
It did for me. I'm not really down here in AL because I love deep-fried okra. ;)

That's something I actually miss  :lol:
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Re: Where you live affects what you think about gov't
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2010, 01:26:19 PM »
It could very well be the converse of that statement- What you think about government affects where you choose to live.

It did for me. I'm not really down here in AL because I love deep-fried okra. ;)

The same for me.  We are active looking for a place out in the country, away from the big city taxes, crime, noise and government.  We have RINO "Republican" mayors supporting Harry Reid for re-election.  They just like the pork he sends home.  I just can't stomach living in Reno/Sparks anymore.  The city spends hundreds of thousands of dollars on a new city logo, but then turns around an lays off police officers and shuts off street lights to save money.  Next thing you know, the city will be complaining about too much crime.  Stop the insanity!!!
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Re: Where you live affects what you think about gov't
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2010, 04:40:48 PM »
Moving were you like the style of gov't is part of the freedom allowed by cars and advanced telecommunication; in other words this fits in the broader context of 1960 to 2010 changes.

My parents moved away from NE Arkansas to northern Illinois because that was where the good paying jobs were. At the time, that area of Arkansas was just too depressed to support good wages. Again, this fits the broader changes of the previous generation.

Me? You couldn't pay me enough to move back to Chicago-land area (and its not just politics). But I am of a generation that feels so secure about livelihood, that my perspective is radically different.
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