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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2010, 06:35:08 PM »
I too am done with flying.  I can get across the country just fine on wheels and enjoy watching the landscape change as I do so. Getting scanned, groped and treated like a crimminal for purchasing the services of an airline is not in the equation.

A blogger recounts his encounter with the TSA this morning.

http://johnnyedge.blogspot.com/2010/11/these-events-took-place-roughly-between.html#comment-form

Sadly not everyone is willing to stand up to the TSA, even when their children are involved.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/69522.html

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Many of us are now afraid to fly. Not because of terrorists, but because of our own government.

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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2010, 06:41:54 PM »
That Johnnyedge.com guy is awesome. I haven't flown since the machines started to really be distributed. I'm not sure if I would have the guts to do what he did. I would like to think so, and to think that more people would.

I do know that I'm not flying for personal travel as long as this is going on. There's lots of great places that I can see via my private auto, where I can carry more than 4oz of toothpaste, as well as a gun. I also plan on refusing any work travel via commercial aircraft under current conditions. Don't know how well it will go over, but I'm certainly going to give it a try.
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2010, 06:49:53 PM »
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I also plan on refusing any work travel via commercial aircraft under current conditions. Don't know how well it will go over, but I'm certainly going to give it a try.

Isn't sexual harassment on the job prohibited  ???   =|
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #53 on: November 13, 2010, 07:00:16 PM »
That Johnnyedge.com guy is awesome. I haven't flown since the machines started to really be distributed. I'm not sure if I would have the guts to do what he did. I would like to think so, and to think that more people would.

I do know that I'm not flying for personal travel as long as this is going on. There's lots of great places that I can see via my private auto, where I can carry more than 4oz of toothpaste, as well as a gun. I also plan on refusing any work travel via commercial aircraft under current conditions. Don't know how well it will go over, but I'm certainly going to give it a try.

Hell, for us, family of four, its generally cheaper to drive.  Costs us an extra day or two depending on how far we're going, but the added benefit of bringing everything and the kitchen sink is worth it.
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #54 on: November 13, 2010, 07:19:53 PM »
I like the suggestion to wear an athletic cup.  What if everybody did that?   >:D
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #55 on: November 13, 2010, 07:22:28 PM »
Me, I'll be wearing a tin-foil cutout of a raised middle finger, on my back.
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2010, 07:38:24 PM »
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Sadly not everyone is willing to stand up to the TSA, even when their children are involved

Lemme know how jacking up that TSA agent who cops a feel of your kid works out for you.


The problem is that short of drastic action that will land you in jail, there isn't much of a way of standing up to TSA. Even simply saying something ends with you in handcuffs and TSA 'tards getting their "respect ma authoritah!" on.





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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2010, 08:10:54 PM »
There should be an award/medal/certificate given to those who set the example of resisting Teh Grope.

This award should be called "The Mandy."

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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2010, 09:41:49 PM »
Probably wouldn't let you, though it's worth a try.

They can't stop you from taking photos or video, as long as you are not interfering in the screening process or capturing images of their monitors.  Correction - they cannot LEGALLY stop you, subject to the local applicable laws.

A Travel Safety & Security poster asked a few dozen airports about their policy re: photography and videotaping.  I do not recall a single one which stated it was illegal to take pics or video on premises, with the exceptions for interfering with screening and capturing the monitor images.

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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2010, 09:44:00 PM »
I wonder what would happen if ya had a raging boner when they groped you? I'd love to see the look on the TSA guys face if he crabbed someones hard-on!

http://xkcd.com/779/

I don't know if I could maintain it through screening, myself.

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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #60 on: November 13, 2010, 09:49:46 PM »
I have a stupid question.
Every sample screening picture I've seen shows the subject with a knife or gun. 
Do these things pick up non metallic objects? Like explosives?
I guess what I'm asking is if they actually work to detect the stuff they are supposed to be "protecting" us from?
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #61 on: November 13, 2010, 09:54:54 PM »
I have a stupid question.
Every sample screening picture I've seen shows the subject with a knife or gun. 
Do these things pick up non metallic objects? Like explosives?
I guess what I'm asking is if they actually work to detect the stuff they are supposed to be "protecting" us from?

The Nude-O-Scopes reportedly can detect nearly anything outside of your skin - there are credible reports of people who neglected to remove a receipt or small number of dollar bills from their pants pockets being subjected to a frisk as a result of the image return. 

They CANNOT detect anything inside a body cavity, or under folds of skin/fat - which is one reason for the frisker lifting a friskee's breasts/manipulating testicles/moving an obese person's fat folds, etc.  TSA refuses to comment on this, or on what women on their period should do to avoid problems.  After all, we're just the proles, any problems they cause us are our own fault, apparently...  [barf]

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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #62 on: November 13, 2010, 10:18:24 PM »
It won't be long before a dedicated jihadist has something planted under his skin.
They will keep trying. 
And Amerika will keep coming up with more invasive ways to make us "safe".
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #63 on: November 13, 2010, 10:21:55 PM »
It won't be long before a dedicated jihadist has something planted under his skin.
They will keep trying. 
And Amerika will keep coming up with more invasive ways to make us "safe".

A guy in Saudi Arabia smuggled a bomb in his backside and nearly killed one of the fifty thousand members of their royal family.

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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #64 on: November 14, 2010, 05:13:29 AM »
Since I am professionally involved in travelling I follow
the different aspects of airfare closely.
 
This has led me to the conclusion that gouverments of Europe and the US
do not want you to leave your country. I don't know why but there must be a
nice little conspiracy theory out there, somewhere.

Full frontal nudity scanners are just the latest bad news on a long list of
difficulties imposed by the powers to be.
It's just another way of erecting a virtual iron curtain for the sheep. 

You can here them everywhere - I won't take the plane anymore, meehhh.....
For those who resist - cavity search is next - yippiiee.

 
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #65 on: November 14, 2010, 07:16:10 AM »
A guy in Saudi Arabia smuggled a bomb in his backside and nearly killed one of the fifty thousand members of their royal family.
He failed, but made a hell of a mess in the palace...
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #66 on: November 14, 2010, 07:35:36 AM »
I have a stupid question.
Every sample screening picture I've seen shows the subject with a knife or gun. 
Do these things pick up non metallic objects? Like explosives?
I guess what I'm asking is if they actually work to detect the stuff they are supposed to be "protecting" us from?

No.

The last impetus that caused TSA to go apey for the pono-scopes was the Underwear Bomber who turned his hardware into charcoaled bits.  Of course, it was quickly demonstrated that the particular method he used would not have shown up on the porno-scope, but that was quickly swept under the rug.
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #67 on: November 14, 2010, 09:59:37 AM »
No.

The last impetus that caused TSA to go apey for the pono-scopes was the Underwear Bomber who turned his hardware into charcoaled bits.  Of course, it was quickly demonstrated that the particular method he used would not have shown up on the porno-scope, but that was quickly swept under the rug.

Even if that was detectable, if keestering explosives (or anthrax or nerve agent or whatever) doesn't show up, how long before they catch someone with something stuck up their butt? Then it's either medical X-rays or physical exams for all.

Maybe that's what we need to have happen. Maybe that will be the breaking point for a critical mass of people, and we can then finally look at alternatives that actually make sense. It would just be sad if that's how far it had to go before this nonsense ends.
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #68 on: November 14, 2010, 10:17:34 AM »
Lemme know how jacking up that TSA agent who cops a feel of your kid works out for you.


The problem is that short of drastic action that will land you in jail, there isn't much of a way of standing up to TSA. Even simply saying something ends with you in handcuffs and TSA 'tards getting their "respect ma authoritah!" on.


That one scene in The Matrix keeps coming to my mind....  >:D
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #69 on: November 14, 2010, 10:44:33 AM »
And next will be a tactic that is already employed in Iraq and Afghanistan.  They will take advantage of the long lines and blow themselves up or go on a shooting spree at the actual checkpoints.
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #70 on: November 14, 2010, 01:26:06 PM »
And next will be a tactic that is already employed in Iraq and Afghanistan.  They will take advantage of the long lines and blow themselves up or go on a shooting spree at the actual checkpoints.
You know, this is exactly what was going through my head when I was in a line to a checkpoint in Orlando last year. There were actually six or so parallel lines, a sizable crowd of people, all standing in one place.
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #71 on: November 14, 2010, 01:49:10 PM »
you don't have to be spectacular   send in someone or something with a biological on it.  thanksgiving  major hub  infect 10's of thousands who scatter to the four winds infecting others.  sooner or later

the ira caller after the failed shot in the hotel at thatcher said it best.   "you got lucky today, you have to be lucky everytime, we only have to be lucky once"

haven't flown in a couple years  too poor, that said what are the alternatives you have in mind?
i have some limited familiarity with the israeli methods.  how do you propose applying them here?
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #72 on: November 14, 2010, 02:26:57 PM »
Open fly....pressure-sensitive bladder...just sayin'...
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #73 on: November 15, 2010, 12:29:49 AM »
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Re: Fighting back against the TSA?
« Reply #74 on: November 15, 2010, 08:53:37 AM »
It is only a matter of time before a TSA drone is cold-cocked.
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