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I do not want civil discourse
« on: January 16, 2011, 11:04:31 PM »
http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/28041

Pretty much how I feel about things.  I'm not in the mood to curtail my expression after having every name in the book thrown at me for ten years.

To quote two of the several wrds used by the post's author, "Bite me."
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2011, 11:17:41 PM »
Nice. Well done.
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2011, 11:35:36 PM »

Amen.  We don't need more civil discourse, we need less.  We don't need more compromise, we need less. 
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2011, 11:36:28 PM »
Three thumbs up.
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2011, 11:38:47 PM »
Quote from: roo_ster on January 16, 2011, 11:04:31 PM
http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/28041

Pretty much how I feel about things.  I'm not in the mood to curtail my expression after having every name in the book thrown at me for ten years.

To quote two of the several wrds used by the post's author, "Bite me."

Damn straight. I'm ready to punch some hippies.

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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2011, 11:48:18 PM »
There's a reason conservatives have said "Screw you" to anyone suggesting civil discourse.

They don't want civil discourse. They want us to shut up.

And although many of our elected Republicans may be cowed, normal, everyday conservatives get it. We're tired of the left's demonization and outright libels.

We're not backing down, we're not shutting up, we're not going to stop. Screw you, lefties and blood libel media.
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2011, 11:53:31 PM »
Nah, I have nothing against civil discourse.  But civil discourse is, of course, as many have pointed out, not what they demand.  They don't even want the opposition to merely shut up.  They demand that the opposition cease to exist.   
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2011, 01:24:01 AM »
Civil discourse requires shared values and good faith.  Both of these are lacking in the current crisis.
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2011, 08:27:58 AM »
Is a lack of civil discourse supposed to accomplish a goal that civil discourse won't accomplish?  Casting aside civil discourse will do what?  Properly ventilate one's spleen or maybe bludgeon one of the opposition into accepting the correctness of you position.  What's next should uncivil discourse fail to achieve one's objectives?

Hey, here's an idea.  Let's construct a continuum of persuasion see what this devolves into.

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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2011, 10:05:26 AM »
Quote from: RevDisk on January 16, 2011, 11:35:36 PM
Amen.  We don't need more civil discourse, we need less.  We don't need more compromise, we need less. 

I don't think so.  We need more civil and rational, extensional discourse.
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2011, 11:06:42 AM »
I don't really have a big problem with uncivil discourse if it means more politicians say what they mean instead of hiding behind high sounding words and evasive answers.
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2011, 11:22:55 AM »
Quote from: tyme on January 17, 2011, 10:05:26 AM
I don't think so.  We need more civil and rational, extensional discourse.

I agree. I'm not unilaterally disarming, though.

If you want "civil discourse", convince the blood libel media and their allies to stop accusing conservatives of (1) murder, (2) wanting school children to starve, (3) wanting grandma to eat dog food, (4) lying to get us into Iraq, (5) wanting to steal grandpa's social security check, (6) wanting to bring back slavery...

I could go on and on. You want a civil discourse? Try starting somewhere else. We've had enough. If the left wants a civil discourse, they'll have to disarm first.
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2011, 11:50:32 AM »
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(4) lying to get us into Iraq

Well, that one ....  =(
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2011, 05:36:48 PM »
An example of what I describe is the ongoing combat between Churchill and Lady Astor.  My favorite engagement:
Lady Astor:  "Winston, you are drunk"
Winston:  "Quite so, and you are ugly.  And in the morning I shall be sober."   =D
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2011, 05:54:01 PM »
Depends....who's defining what "civil discourse" is?.....

Me...I'm the "right/correct/logical at all costs" kind of guy....  :cool:
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2011, 06:25:39 PM »
Remember, on this here MLK day, MLK himself encouraged followers to break the law.  I'm not sure it gets any more uncivil than breaking the law to get what you want.
Civil discourse my ass.
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2011, 06:26:16 PM »
Quote from: Waitone on January 17, 2011, 08:27:58 AM
Casting aside civil discourse will do what? 

Save time. Civil discourse with the opposition is a distraction and a failure. They have not listened. They have not learned. They reject reason. Further talk is to no purpose. Does that mean we should call them names and bomb their campaign offices? Not at all. It just means we shouldn't waste our efforts with ineffective strategy.

But what are the bounds of "civility"? Can we discuss the true nature of the problem in a "civil" fashion? We need to understand and agree that the left is an enemy bent on destroying the nation as it is. Or at least as it was. We must stop giving them the benefit of the doubt. We must stop trusting that they will seek the good of the country, or that they will not betray our nation to other nations. When we say these things, regardless how calmly or reasonably, they are dismissed as "hate speech" or "intemperate language." So you can see that a feeling of obligation to "civility" (as they define it) is suicidal.


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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2011, 07:09:33 PM »
John Adams once called Alexander Hamilton "The bastard brat of a Scotch pedlar".

I think we can call someone like Chuck Schumer a headline-grubbing whore and still remain within the bounds of Adam's level of civility. ;)

Name-calling is just a pointless exercise that makes you feel good for a minute. We need to have people like Boehner get in front of the cameras and expose the Democrat lies as soon as they're uttered. When a Barney Frank is getting preferential treatment, he should be called out on it.

This business of unilateral disarmament on the part of Republicans isn't working.
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2011, 07:46:12 PM »
Quote from: Monkeyleg on January 17, 2011, 07:09:33 PM
John Adams once called Alexander Hamilton "The bastard brat of a Scotch pedlar".


Don't forget that Hamilton died in a duel with a political opponent. I'm pretty sure that so long as we don't have politicians fighting pistol duels, we're well within the bounds of behavior for that particular period...

Though I, for one, would love to see dueling make a comeback amongst politicians.  They could put the fights on Pay-Per-View and use the proceeds to pay down the national debt...
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2011, 08:51:22 PM »
what we need is for stupid to hurt, BAD. and not stop hurting, 'till the stupid has stopped frothing forth, ............. [barf]

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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2011, 08:57:14 PM »
Quote from: Regolith on January 17, 2011, 07:46:12 PM
Don't forget that Hamilton died in a duel with a political opponent. I'm pretty sure that so long as we don't have politicians fighting pistol duels, we're well within the bounds of behavior for that particular period...

Though I, for one, would love to see dueling make a comeback amongst politicians.  They could put the fights on Pay-Per-View and use the proceeds to pay down the national debt...

 =D

Reid vs. McCain...

I'd pay to watch that.  Then I'd pay to reanimate the corpse of the loser so it can finish off the winner!

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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2011, 09:47:04 PM »
We don't need debate, discourse, or name-calling. We need organization and militancy.  We need mass demonstrations, shows of political power.  We can take some cues from MLK.
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2011, 10:06:34 PM »
Quote from: longeyes on January 17, 2011, 09:47:04 PM
We don't need debate, discourse, or name-calling. We need organization and militancy.  We need mass demonstrations, shows of political power. 

Yeah, something like that. Those who disagree need to be voted down and shouted down. Trying to talk sense into the anti-sense party is not a viable solution. We have tried that.
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Re: I do not want civil discourse
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2011, 01:15:00 PM »
For years, the left has controlled the discourse, by shouting down the right.  Then, along comes the Tea Party, pissed off and shouting down the left.
This is nothing but a power grab by the right, an attempt to silence the right's attempt at stealing the left's own tactics.
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