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BIN LADEN DEAD!
« on: May 02, 2011, 12:36:42 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/01/bin.laden.obit/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

Through me you pass into the city of woe:
Through me you pass into eternal pain:
Through me among the people lost for aye.

Justice the founder of my fabric mov'd:
To rear me was the task of power divine,
Supremest wisdom, and primeval love.

Before me things create were none, save things
Eternal, and eternal I endure.
All hope abandon ye who enter here.
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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2011, 12:50:44 AM »
I just wonder how long they really have had his body.   [tinfoil]
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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2011, 12:56:29 AM »
I just wonder how long they really have had his body.   [tinfoil]

LOL! yeah maybe him and Hoffa have been on ice somewhere
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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2011, 02:21:45 AM »
Thank you, America.

My hat is off and my glass is raised.

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and I'll spend my next vacation in Florida!

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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2011, 07:56:10 AM »
12:03 A.M. EDT

     MR. VIETOR:  Thank you, everyone, for joining us, especially so late.  We wanted to get you on the line quickly with some senior administration officials to talk about the operation today regarding Osama bin Laden.  And with that I’ll turn it over to our first senior administration official.

     SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL:  Thanks for joining us, everybody, at this late hour.  It’s much appreciated.  From the outset of the administration, the President has placed the highest priority in protecting the nation from the threat of terrorism.  In line with this, we have pursued an intensified, targeted, and global effort to degrade and defeat al Qaeda.  Included in this effort has been a relentless set of steps that we’ve taken to locate and bring Osama bin Laden to justice.  Indeed, in the earliest days of the administration, the President formally instructed the intelligence community and his counterterrorism advisors to make the pursuit of Osama bin Laden, as the leader of al Qaeda, as a top priority.

     In the beginning of September of last year, the CIA began to work with the President on a set of assessments that led it to believe that in fact it was possible that Osama bin Laden may be located at a compound in Pakistan.  By mid-February, through a series of intensive meetings at the White House and with the President, we had determined there was a sound intelligence basis for pursuing this in an aggressive way and developing courses of action to pursue Osama bin Laden at this location.

     In the middle of March, the President began a series of National Security Council meetings that he chaired to pursue again the intelligence basis and to develop courses of action to bring justice to Osama bin Laden.  Indeed, by my count, the President chaired no fewer than five National Security Council meetings on the topic from the middle of March -- March 14th, March 29th, April 12th, April 19th, and April 28th.  And the President gave the final order to pursue the operation that he announced to the nation tonight on the morning -- Friday morning of April 29th.

     The President mentioned tonight that the pursuit of Osama bin Laden and the defeat of al Qaeda has been a bipartisan exercise in this nation since September 11, 2001, and indeed, this evening before he spoke to the nation, President Obama did speak to President Bush 43 and President Clinton this evening to review with them the events of today and to preview his statement to the nation tonight.

     And with that, I’ll turn it over to my colleague to go through some of the details.  Thank you.

     SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL:  As you heard, the President ordered a raid earlier today against an al Qaeda compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.  Based on intelligence collection analysis, a small U.S. team found Osama bin Laden living in a large home on a secured compound in an affluent suburb of Islamabad.  The raid occurred in the early morning hours in Pakistan and accomplished its objective.  Osama bin Laden is now no longer a threat to America.

     This remarkable achievement could not have happened without persistent effort and careful planning over many years.  Our national security professionals did a superb job.  They deserve tremendous credit for serving justice to Osama bin Laden.

     Bin Laden was a sworn enemy of the United States and a danger to all humanity; a man who called for the murder of any American anywhere on Earth.  His death is central to the President’s goal of disrupting, dismantling, and ultimately defeating al Qaeda and its violent allies.  He was responsible for killing thousands of innocent men and women not only on 9/11, but in the 1998 East Africa embassy bombing, the attack of the USS Cole, and many other acts of brutality.

     He was the leader of a violent extremist movement with affiliates across the globe that had taken up arms against the United States and its allies.  Bin Laden’s most influential role has been to designate the United States as al Qaeda’s primary target and to maintain organizational focus on that objective.  This strategic objective, which was first made in a 1996 declaration of jihad against Americans, was the cornerstone of bin Laden’s message.

     Since 9/11, multiple agencies within our intelligence community have worked tirelessly to track down bin Laden, knowing that his removal from al Qaeda would strike a crippling blow to the organization and its militant allies.  And last September the President was made aware of a compound in Abbottabad, where a key al Qaeda facilitator appeared to be harboring a high-value target.  He received regular intelligence updates, as was just mentioned, on the compound in September, and he directed that action be taken as soon as he concluded that the intelligence case was sufficiently strong.  A range of options for achieving the mission were developed, and on Friday he authorized the operation.

     Now I’ll turn it to my colleagues to go through the intelligence.

     SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL:  Thank you.  First I want to point out that today’s success was a team effort.  It was a model of really seamless collaboration across our government.  Since 9/11, this is what the American people have expected of us, and today, in this critical operation, we were able to finally deliver.

     The operation itself was the culmination of years of careful and highly advanced intelligence work.  Officers from the CIA, the NGA, the NSA all worked very hard as a team to analyze and pinpoint this compound.  Together they applied their very unique expertise and capabilities to America’s most vexing intelligence problem, where to find bin Laden.

     When the case had been made that this was a critical target, we began to prepare this mission in conjunction with the U.S. military.  In the end, it was the matchless skill and courage of these Americans that secured this triumph for our country and the world.  I’m very proud of the entire team that worked on this operation, and am very thankful to the President for the courage that he displayed in making the decision to proceed with this operation.

     With that, let me turn to my colleague to give you details on the intelligence background.

     SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL:  Thank you.  The bottom line of our collection and our analysis was that we had high confidence that the compound harbored a high-value terrorist target.  The experts who worked this issue for years assessed that there was a strong probability that the terrorist that was hiding there was Osama bin Laden.

     What I’d like to do is walk you through the key points in that intelligence trail that led us to that conclusion.  From the time that we first recognized bin Laden as a threat, the CIA gathered leads on individuals in bin Laden’s inner circle, including his personal couriers.  Detainees in the post-9/11 period flagged for us individuals who may have been providing direct support to bin Laden and his deputy, Zawahiri, after their escape from Afghanistan.

     One courier in particular had our constant attention.  Detainees gave us his nom de guerre or his nickname and identified him as both a protégé of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of September 11th, and a trusted assistant of Abu Faraj al-Libbi, the former number three of al Qaeda who was captured in 2005.

     Detainees also identified this man as one of the few al Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden.  They indicated he might be living with and protecting bin Laden.  But for years, we were unable to identify his true name or his location.

     Four years ago, we uncovered his identity, and for operational reasons, I can’t go into details about his name or how we identified him, but about two years ago, after months of persistent effort, we identified areas in Pakistan where the courier and his brother operated.  Still we were unable to pinpoint exactly where they lived, due to extensive operational security on their part.  The fact that they were being so careful reinforced our belief that we were on the right track.

     Then in August 2010, we found their residence, a compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, a town about 35 miles north of Islamabad.  The area is relatively affluent, with lots of retired military.  It’s also insolated from the natural disasters and terrorist attacks that have afflicted other parts of Pakistan.  When we saw the compound where the brothers lived, we were shocked by what we saw -- an extraordinarily unique compound.  The compound sits on a large plot of land in an area that was relatively secluded when it was built.  It is roughly eight times larger than the other homes in the area.

     When the compound was built in 2005, it was on the outskirts of the town center, at the end of a narrow dirt road.  In the last six years, some residential homes have been built nearby.  The physical security measures of the compound are extraordinary.  It has 12- to 18-foot walls topped with barbed wire.  Internal wall sections -- internal walls sectioned off different portions of the compound to provide extra privacy.  Access to the compound is restricted by two security gates, and the residents of the compound burn their trash, unlike their neighbors, who put the trash out for collection.

     The main structure, a three-story building, has few windows facing the outside of the compound.  A terrace on the third floor has a seven-foot wall privacy -- has a seven-foot privacy wall.

     It’s also noteworthy that the property is valued at approximately $1 million but has no telephone or Internet service connected to it.  The brothers had no explainable source of wealth.

     Intelligence analysts concluded that this compound was custom built to hide someone of significance.  We soon learned that more people were living at the compound than the two brothers and their families.  A third family lived there -- one whose size and whose makeup matched the bin Laden family members that we believed most likely to be with Osama bin Laden.  Our best assessment, based on a large body of reporting from multiple sources, was that bin Laden was living there with several family members, including his youngest wife.

     Everything we saw -- the extremely elaborate operational security, the brothers’ background and their behavior, and the location and the design of the compound itself was perfectly consistent with what our experts expected bin Laden’s hideout to look like.  Keep in mind that two of bin Laden’s gatekeepers, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Abu Faraj al-Libbi, were arrested in the settled areas of Pakistan.

Our analysts looked at this from every angle, considering carefully who other than bin Laden could be at the compound.  We conducted red team exercises and other forms of alternative analysis to check our work.  No other candidate fit the bill as well as bin Laden did.

So the final conclusion, from an intelligence standpoint, was twofold.  We had high confidence that a high-value target was being harbored by the brothers on the compound, and we assessed that there was a strong probability that that person was Osama bin Laden.

Now let me turn it over to my colleague.

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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2011, 07:57:09 AM »
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL:  Thank you.  Earlier this afternoon, a small U.S. team conducted a helicopter raid on the compound.  Considerable planning helped prepare our operators for this very complex mission.  Senior officials have been involved in the decision-making and planning for this operation for months, and briefed the President regularly.  My colleague has already mentioned the unusual characteristics of this compound.  Each of these, including the high walls, security features, suburban location, and proximity to Islamabad made this an especially dangerous operation.

The men who executed this mission accepted this risk, practiced to minimize those risks, and understood the importance of the target to the national security of the United States.

I know you understand that I can’t and won’t get into many details of this mission, but I’ll share what I can.  This operation was a surgical raid by a small team designed to minimize collateral damage and to pose as little risk as possible to non-combatants on the compound or to Pakistani civilians in the neighborhood.

Our team was on the compound for under 40 minutes and did not encounter any local authorities while performing the raid.  In addition to Osama bin Laden, three adult males were killed in the raid.  We believe two were the couriers and the third was bin Laden’s adult son.

There were several women and children at the compound.  One woman was killed when she was used as a shield by a male combatant.  Two other women were injured.

During the raid, we lost one helicopter due to mechanical failure.  The aircraft was destroyed by the crew and the assault force and crew members boarded the remaining aircraft to exit the compound.  All non-combatants were moved safely away from the compound before the detonation.

That’s all I have at this time.  I’ll turn it back to my colleague.

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL:  We shared our intelligence on this bin Laden compound with no other country, including Pakistan.  That was for one reason and one reason alone:  We believed it was essential to the security of the operation and our personnel.  In fact, only a very small group of people inside our own government knew of this operation in advance.

Shortly after the raid, U.S. officials contacted senior Pakistani leaders to brief them on the intent and the results of the raid.  We have also contacted a number of our close allies and partners throughout the world.

Sine 9/11, the United States has made it clear to Pakistan that we would pursue bin Laden wherever he might be.  Pakistan has long understood that we are at war with al Qaeda.  The United States had a legal and moral obligation to act on the information it had.

And let me emphasize that great care was taken to ensure operational success, minimize the possibility of non-combatant casualties, and to adhere to American and international law in carrying out the mission.

I should note that in the wake of this operation, there may be a heightened threat to the homeland and to U.S. citizens and facilities abroad.  Al Qaeda operatives and sympathizers may try to respond violently to avenge bin Laden’s death, and other terrorist leaders may try to accelerate their efforts to strike the United States.  But the United States is taking every possible precaution to protect Americans here at home and overseas.  The State Department has sent guidance to embassies worldwide and a travel advisory has been issued for Pakistan.

And without a doubt, the United States will continue to face terrorist threats.  The United States will continue to fight those threats.  We have always understood that this fight would be a marathon and not a sprint.

There’s also no doubt that the death of Osama bin Laden marks the single greatest victory in the U.S.-led campaign to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al Qaeda.  It is a major and essential step in bringing about al Qaeda’s eventual destruction.

Bin Laden was al Qaeda’s only (inaudible) commander in its 22-year history, and was largely responsible for the organization’s mystique, its attraction among violent jihadists, and its focus on America as a terrorist target.  As the only al Qaeda leader whose authority was universally respected, he also maintained his cohesion, and his likely successor, Ayman al-Zawahiri, is far less charismatic and not as well respected within the organization, according to comments from several captured al Qaeda leaders.  He probably will have difficulty maintaining the loyalty of bin Laden’s largely Gulf Arab followers.

Although al Qaeda may not fragment immediately, the loss of bin Laden puts the group on a path of decline that will be difficult to reverse.

     And finally, it’s important to note that it is most fitting that bin Laden’s death comes at a time of great movement towards freedom and democracy that is sweeping the Arab world.  He stood in direct opposition to what the greatest men and women throughout the Middle East and North Africa are risking their lives for:  individual rights and human dignity.

     MR. VIETOR:  With that we’re ready to take a couple questions.

     Q    One question.  You said “a small U.S. team.”  Were these military personnel, can you say, or non-military?
    
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL:  Can’t go into further details at this time; just a small U.S. team.

Q    Good morning.  Can you tell us specifically what contact there was with bin Laden at the compound?  You referred to someone using a woman as a shield that was not bin Laden.  But how was he killed?  Where?  What occurred at the compound?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL:  As the President said this evening, bin Laden was killed in a firefight as our operators came onto the compound.

Q    Thank you.  Just to go back to what you were talking about with the attacks in response to this operation, are you hearing any specific threats against specific targets?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL:  No.  But any type of event like this, it is very prudent for us to take measures so that we can ensure that the security measures that we need to institute here and throughout the world are in place.  This is just something that we normally would do.  We don’t have any specific threats at this time related to this.  But we are ensuring that every possible precaution is taken in advance.

Q    Yes, hey, how are you doing?  My question would be, what was the type of the helicopter that failed?  And what was the nature of that mechanical failure?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL:  Can’t go into details at this time.

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL:  We didn’t say it was mechanical.  

Q    Was bin Laden involved in firing himself or defending himself?  And then any chronology of the raid itself?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL:  He did resist the assault force.  And he was killed in a firefight.

Q    Thank you.  Thank you for taking this call.  Can you give me a comment on the very fact that Osama bin Laden was just in Islamabad -- and has long been (inaudible) Afghanistan (inaudible) also from India, that Osama bin Laden is hiding somewhere near Islamabad?  What does it signify, that?  Does it signify any cooperation or any kind of link that he had with establishments in Pakistan?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL:  As the President said, Pakistani cooperation had assisted in this lead, as we pursued it.  So we’re continuing to work this issue right now.  We are very concerned about -- that he was inside of Pakistan, but this is something that we’re going to continue to work with the Pakistani government on.

Q    But the very fact you didn’t inform the Pakistani authorities -- did you have any suspicion that if you informed them, the information might lead somewhere?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL:  An operation like this that is conducted has the utmost operational security attached to it.  I said that we had shared this information with no other country, and that a very, very small group of individuals within the United States government was aware of this.  That is for operational security purposes.

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL:  I would also just add to that that President Obama, over a period of several years now, has repeatedly made it clear that if we had actionable intelligence about Osama bin Laden’s whereabouts, we would act.  So President Obama has been very clear in delivering that message publicly over a period of years.  And that’s what led President Obama to order this operation.  When he determined that the intelligence was actionable and the intelligence case was sufficient, he gave us high confidence that bin Laden indeed was at the compound.

Q    Thank you.  What is going to happen next?  And what is the U.S. going to do with bin Laden’s body?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL:  We are ensuring that it is handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition.  This is something that we take very seriously.  And so therefore this is being handled in an appropriate manner.

MR. VIETOR:  Great, thanks.  Just to remind everyone, this call is on background, as senior administration officials.  We have time for one more question, and we’re going to go to bed.

Q    Do you have a sense of the vintage of the compound and how long bin Laden had been there?

SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL:  The compound has been in existence for roughly five years, but we don’t know how long bin Laden lived there.  We assess that the compound was built for the purpose of harboring him.  But again, don’t know how long he’s been there.

MR. VIETOR:  Great, thank you all.  We’ll talk more tomorrow.
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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2011, 08:01:34 AM »
WASHINGTON— A U.S. official says Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has been buried at sea.

After Bin Laden was killed in a raid by U.S. forces in Pakistan, senior administration officials said the body would be handled according to Islamic practice and tradition. That practice calls for the body to be buried within 24 hours, the official said. Finding a country willing to accept the remains of the world's most wanted terrorist would have been difficult, the official said. So the U.S. decided to bury him at sea.

The official, who spoke Monday on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive national security matters, did not immediately say where that occurred.
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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2011, 08:04:54 AM »
Does Bin laden's  presence in Pakistan indicate complicity at some senior level of their government or, does in indicate  monumental incompetence in their intel organization?
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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2011, 08:06:10 AM »
I just wonder how long they really have had his body.   [tinfoil]

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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2011, 08:15:58 AM »
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Silly, baseless conspiracies will help get threads locked.


I won't call it a conspiracy, but we have a very solid basis on which to say that the US military could not possibly have captured bin Laden. As everyone knows, you can't capture bin Laden when you take your eye off the ball by going to war in Iraq Libya.
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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2011, 08:34:57 AM »
They buried him at sea? Hmmm, I don't know, that sounds awful fishy to me.  =|
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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2011, 08:43:41 AM »
They buried him at sea? Hmmm, I don't know, that sounds awful fishy to me.  =|

lol,   but likely to prevent a shrine from being erected.  unless you might think he is now one of our presidents close advisers=o.

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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2011, 08:54:27 AM »
They buried him at sea? Hmmm, I don't know, that sounds awful fishy to me.  =|

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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2011, 09:00:47 AM »
They buried him at sea? Hmmm, I don't know, that sounds awful fishy to me.  =|

I haven't had a chance to read in detail the myriad stories on Bin Laden yet, but this seems like it will be problematic. Not just to conspiracy theorists, but with enemies being able to say he's doing an Elvis. I would hope before burial at sea that they collected enough irrefutable death evidence to convince the world at large that he really is dead.

I note that "Islamic tradition" allows for videotaped beheadings, which is pretty solid evidence of someone's death. I would hope there is video documented evidence of his body.
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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2011, 09:52:52 AM »
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but with enemies being able to say he's doing an Elvis.
Is this another Bubba Ho-Tep tie-in?

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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2011, 10:48:18 AM »
Somewhere 72 virgins are pointing and laughing.   =D

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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2011, 11:19:04 AM »
An aquaintance mentioned sending his head to Kaddafi...  [popcorn]
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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2011, 11:27:05 AM »
I understand the burial at sea, actually. Where else would you bury him? In the ME and it'll be a shrine to the martyr, in America and it'd be vandalism central. I do hope they videotaped it.
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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2011, 11:33:45 AM »
It took us only four years to get Hitler  ;/
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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2011, 11:42:18 AM »
I understand the burial at sea, actually. Where else would you bury him? In the ME and it'll be a shrine to the martyr, in America and it'd be vandalism central. I do hope they videotaped it.

Yeah, I totally understand burial at sea. The last thing we want is pilgrimages to his burial site, and the almost certain annual terrorist acts that would accompany the annual event.

Again, there may be more evidence than I have read about, but I see two problems with DNA evidence only. One, if you're the typical Middle Eastern terrorist that they convince to wear a suicide vest, you'll likely say, "What is this DNA they speak of? It must be the tool of the devil." The smart and educated terrorists will likely start asking questions about how the DNA was collected, who has a control sample of DNA, etc. All catering to the rise of conspiracy theories. I'm hoping for multiple and discrete sources of solid evidence to dispel all rumors.
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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2011, 11:46:03 AM »
Yeah, I totally understand burial at sea. The last thing we want is pilgrimages to his burial site, and the almost certain annual terrorist acts that would accompany the annual event.

Again, there may be more evidence than I have read about, but I see two problems with DNA evidence only. One, if you're the typical Middle Eastern terrorist that they convince to wear a suicide vest, you'll likely say, "What is this DNA they speak of? It must be the tool of the devil." The smart and educated terrorists will likely start asking questions about how the DNA was collected, who has a control sample of DNA, etc. All catering to the rise of conspiracy theories. I'm hoping for multiple and discrete sources of solid evidence to dispel all rumors.

Assuming they plied him with enough weights, I wholeheartedly hope his final resting place becomes a pilgramage site.
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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2011, 12:22:27 PM »
I hope the a**holes don't declare the entire ocean a shrine.  ;)
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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2011, 12:29:29 PM »
It took us only four years to get Hitler  ;/

We didn't "get" Hitler.  Hitler "got" himself .
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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2011, 01:15:58 PM »
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We didn't "get" Hitler.  Hitler "got" himself .

Yeah, with us closing in on all sides  ;)
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Re: BIN LADEN DEAD!
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2011, 02:00:13 PM »
I hope the a**holes don't declare the entire ocean a shrine.  ;)

I do, at some point it gets boring firing at empty ammo cans, the great pumpkin, or what have you.
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